User talk:Ttonyb1/April 2010 Archives

Patricia Darcy Jones
Ttonyb1 please explain why you want this page deleted so badly. I'm new at this as you know so any help would be appreciated. Extra245 (talk) 13:08, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

1986
I have a question. I understand why the first edit for April 4th was erased, as it didn´t follow the normalized language, but why was the second deleted? I mean, looking through several years, I see many fraternities foundation dates. I even saw foundation dates for specific chapters of fraternities. If one shouldn´t be, then none should. I am not looking for confrontation or anything, I am just really curious. I was looking at the links for several fraternities and tried to see what the general links were so that I could do it for my organization. This is how this started. Thanks in advance for your feedback as I´m a wikibeginner.--Coquidragon (talk) 22:10, 1 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Coquidragon, thanks for the message. The reason I removed the item is it really is not an internationally significant event.  The organization appears to be U.S. based and is not an international organization.  Additionally, it does not have any articles outside of the English version of Wikipedia.  The "recent years" articles (i.e.,1986) are international articles not specific to a country and they should include events that are international in nature.   As far as the other fraternities included in the articles, they might not meet the criteria to be included in the article.  I find that older articles sometimes contain items that should not be there.  BTW - take a look at WP:RY for the specific criteria about what should be included in recent article.  My best to you.   ttonyb  (talk) 22:35, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Notability Requirements for "Catherine Fitzmaurice"
Dear Ttonyb1 -- Thank you for your help with my first wiki post ("Catherine Fitzmaurice"). I've been trying to gather up resources on a woman who works in a field that is notoriously short in publication (acting performance and voice technique -- not theory), so I've included a bit more contextual information in my introduction, with an additional secondary source. Would these changes satisfy Wikipedia's notability requirements? Thank you! Uuweanolwion (talk) 23:17, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion tag removal
Hey Ttonybl, I recently got copyright waiven to copy some articles from Nativewiki to wikipedia, but I was unaware that the articles I was copying were themselves copied from Hanksville.org/storytellers. Upon learning this I have deleted all the text from the articles except a short sentence I wrote at the top briefly describing who they are, and keeping the list of awards/publications. There shouldn't be any more need for a speedy deletion, but I guess I will leave the tags up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ink Falls (talk • contribs) 18:31, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Casa Sanchez Foods
what am i doing wrong with the casa sanchez page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jjislas (talk • contribs) 21:22, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Please help me! I do not want this page deleted. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jjislas (talk • contribs) 21:39, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The basic issue is the article fails to establish notability using reliable sources. Please read the sections here and the ones in the Welcome message on your talk page and let me know if you have any specific questions.   ttonyb  (talk) 22:54, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Ariana Grande
Do you mind swinging back by Ariana Grande? is repeatedly adding a non-free image; he's also added a slew of interwiki articles to meet the 10-interwiki hurdle to include Grande at 1994. —C.Fred (talk) 04:38, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Added db-norat to the photo. I'll review the foreign articles and remove from US article if the do not exist.  It looks as if some are already marked for deletion.   ttonyb  (talk) 04:49, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Well Spotted
Good pick up on the List of graphic designers. I missed the edit 91.74.105.138 as I was looking at this Hans Van Grinderbeek that I had doubts about. No excuse though on my part!--BSTemple (talk) 20:15, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks... Enjoy the day/evening.   ttonyb  (talk) 20:22, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Will do. Now I will go and have a piece of my Easter Egg. Happy Easter. --BSTemple (talk) 20:36, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Dark chocolate I hope...yum. Happy Easter to you too.   ttonyb  (talk) 21:00, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

AfD nomination of MYXX
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Judyta Papp article - creation protection status
Ttonyb1, article about Judyta Papp (her biography) was sourced from her website: judytapapp_dot_com so there were a problem with copyright infringement. I want to finilize creation of her biography, because Judyta is a famous polish photographer, her photos are in polish wikipedia on articles: Marek_Safjan, Andrzej_Wajda, Gustaw_Holoublek, Władysław_Bartoszewski. I have all information about Judyta Papp, because she send me that personally. Please help me to finish that article, i have that one rewrited from her CV. SoWhy administrator now is on vacation. (Kjarocka (talk) 19:06, 6 April 2010 (UTC))

William patrick may
I think your redirect of this might be an error. I think the editor of this article cut and pasted the Billy May article to use as a template for an article on someone called William patrick may - not that I can find any notable of that name and I was just about to nominate CSD A7 or move to userspace.. NtheP (talk) 12:12, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, you are absolutely right. I missed the middle initial difference.  ttonyb  (talk) 15:47, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

A7 question
I have just declined Ryan Harrison (footballer). Is it now standard practice to A7 any unrefed BLP? This is certainly not noted in WP:CSD. I am trying to establish if I have missed something. Polargeo (talk) 12:48, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay I have worked this out. It is covered in the new WP:BLPPROD Polargeo (talk) 13:49, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * You are right, I was mistaken in marking it for deletion.  ttonyb  (talk) 15:47, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Kweku Hanson
I see that you are the editor originally recommending speedy deletion of this article, which happened, indeed with such speed that I was not even able to do the "hang on" thingy. Anyway, Peter reinstated the article so that I could continue working on it. Now I see you are piling additional criticisms on it, which is fine. I realise that the language needs to be tightened, and the formatting, etc. I will get to all that. My problem is with the issue that will likely get this deleted, which is notablility. I currently have 5 references on this article, all from very reliable sources. There will be more, but piling on references just becomes silly. Regarding notablity: This person has been involved in a billion-dollar class action suit, in another 100 billion dollar international lawsuit which has attracted attention from all over the world and is now in the Federal couts, and has also been arrested and convicted of charges including multiple statutory rape, child pornography, tampering with witnesses, etcetera.

I have been considering devoting some time to editing here (and I admit freely that I am still learning) but so far the experience has been quite unfriendly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pietopper (talk • contribs) 15:36, 11 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I suggest you read reliable sources. Unfortunately, the sources don't really fall into the category of reliable sources.


 * The fact that the person has been involved in multi-million dollar lawsuits is not a criteria for establishing notability – unfortunately, in our litigious society anyone can file a lawsuit for any amount regardless of merit. Being arrested is also not a criteria for establishing notability.  ttonyb  (talk) 17:35, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

AfD nomination of The Tenderloins
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Greg Tseng is back in the news.
Hello Ttonyb1, Greg's company tagged.com has just settled yet another legal action against it for spamming and deceptive practices, so I updated the article yet again. My one time nemesis biographylover is long gone, and as I remembered you were fair and even handed, I was hoping you'd take a look at the latest version of the article and make any changes or suggestions you saw fit as your time and interest allowed. I'm pleased to say the the Wikipedia article on Greg Tseng has risen to the first hit for his name on Bing, Google and Yahoo! Thanks for your help and guidance in the past that helped make that possible. Wikipedia rules! :) Luitgard (talk) 16:30, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Skyline (2010 film) Plot Synopsis
Please explain to me why the film's official plot synopsis listed on imdb and several other websites can be considered copyrighted material to ohmygore.com? The original author of the synopsis is one of the writer's of the film. —Preceding unsigned comment added by LiamODin (talk • contribs) 05:06, 14 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I did not indicate the material is copyrighted to a specific entity, only that it is copyrighted. If the material is published in the last 20 or so years, it need not have a copyright symbol.  If the material was published my one of the original writers of the film, then he owns the copyright and unless he has licensed it under a license compatible with Wikipedia, it is a copyright violation.   ttonyb  (talk) 05:13, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

How would he go about licensing the material? It was proliferated by IM Global from a presentation packet for the Berlin Film Festival. It was never published on any websites with proper credit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by LiamODin (talk • contribs) 05:36, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Chelene Nightingale
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Speedy deletion declined: Joel Campbell
Hello Ttonyb1. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Joel Campbell, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The article makes a credible assertion of importance or significance, sufficient to pass A7. Thank you. Ged UK  19:06, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

1000coupon.com's Speedy Deletion
Dear Ttonyb1,

We have received a speedy deletion as prior to article submition. We are new to wikipedia and we wanted to ask you what is wrong with the article? Is it a coding issue with the article? Or the content? We did not intentionally want to advertise our website and is sorry for doing so if we have. Thank you in advance and thank you for replying, 1000coupon.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 1000coupon (talk • contribs) 02:51, 18 April 2010 (UTC)


 * The article appears to fail to establish notability for Websites. Please read the article and let me know if you have any specific questions. Thanks...  ttonyb  (talk) 02:56, 18 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Dear Ttonyb1, Could you point out any specific points, again we are sorry we are new to wikipedia and is not trying to scam anyone. You can check our website out: 1000coupon.com. We have experiment in the sandbox. Also are you IP: 68.88.253.213? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 1000coupon (talk • contribs) 03:03, 18 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Have you looked at the criteria section of WP:WEB? I am not 68.88.253.213.   ttonyb  (talk) 03:11, 18 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Dear Ttonyb1, I have read the notability article and saw that our article should have a higher neutral value. I have again experiment on sandbox and will post the article in a more neutral view. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 1000coupon (talk • contribs) 03:15, 18 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I think you may be missing the point, the article failed to establish Wikipedia notability using reliable sources.  ttonyb  (talk) 03:20, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion of Tsutomu Chida and Aikido Renshinkai
This was clarified by another editor. One of these articles referenced had at least two reliable sources which everyone involved seemed to overlook. I feel you guys were a bit overzealous considering the state of unflagged existing articles, but on the bright side, your zealousness has spurred me to find more refs. Later Ttony1b. Jls aikido (talk) 08:20, 20 April 2010 (UTC)


 * The articles failed to establish Wikipedia notability using reliable sources. I'll check your talk page to make sure there is a Welcome message on it.  Take a look at the links above and the links in the Welcome message and let me know if you have any specific questions. Thanks...  ttonyb  (talk) 19:36, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

User:Barneystimpleton
While I appreciate your attempt to engage over their 3RR violations at Victorious, they have previously been twice blocked for the exact same behavior. As such, I have implemented a third, one-week block. — Satori Son 01:02, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the message. I have seen the Barneystimpleton's past behavior, but wanted to give him another chance to "snap out of it" and to document his behavior for any block that might be necessary. Frankly, given his behavior and unwillingness to learn from the past blocks, I would not have been surprised if you had given him a 2 week block.  It is unfortunate he has not taken the time to read the comments on his talk page and on the article talk pages and seen that we are trying to help him navigate Wikipedia guidelines and standards.  My best to you and enjoy the day/night.   ttonyb  (talk) 02:02, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I understand completely, and looking over their talk page more thoroughly, I now see that you are well aware of their past behavior and blocks. Didn't mean to treat you like a noob.  :-)
 * After their current block expires, I'll try to help keep an eye on them. Have a good one. — Satori Son 13:13, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

hey
I created a new page for a comedy artist you flagged it for deletion. It's the first page I made and I'm just learning how to use Wikipedia. How can I improve upon the page I created so that it meets the Wikipedia guidelines? I don't yet understand how to add references and citations properly where do I go to learn this?Tekgeeky (talk) 03:46, 20 April 2010 (UTC) Tekgeeky


 * Take a look at WP:BIO for info about how to establish Wikipedia notability. Info about creating references can be found at WP:CITE.   ttonyb  (talk) 04:08, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Pinoy Greyhat
Just wondering why it is always being nominated for a deletion. DEF CON is just like Pinoy Greyhat. Can you give me a clue about the content errors. Knytmare —Preceding unsigned comment added by Knytmare (talk • contribs) 05:29, 21 April 2010 (UTC)


 * The article fails to establish Wikipedia notability using reliable sources. Take a look at the articles and let me know if you have any questions.   ttonyb  (talk) 19:36, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Leadership change of the UK should be in the events section of 2007
I feel that my edit in the events section of 2007 concerning the UK's change in leadership is very relevant as leadership changes of the UK have been shown on the events section of every year that one has occurred. See 1997, 1990, 1979, 1976, 1970, 1964, 1963 and so on. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mwhite148 (talk • contribs) 17:47, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I understand you feel they are important; however, they do not fit the criteria in WP:RY for inclusion. Just because entries are in the other articles does not mean they should be.  See WP:WAX.  My best to you.  <span style="font-weight:bold; color:blue; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> ttonyb  (talk) 18:11, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Greg Tseng & List of Spammers Articles
An editor by the name of UnnotableWorldFigure is unable to come to an agreement with me and an editor of the Spammers article on whether or not Greg Tseng is a spammer. Endless reverts have ensued. We have let UnnotableWorldFigure have her/his way for now, but mediation is requested. Any guidance or referrals you could offer would be appreciated. I'll read up on the topic in the meantime. Thanks, Luitgard (talk) 01:28, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

ANI discussion of Greg Tseng mess
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. — Gavia immer (talk) 03:54, 24 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Hello again Ttonyb1, thank you for your efforts as always. As you likely know by now, the suggested 24 hour cooling off period was not observed by all parties. The article was unilaterally reverted to a prior edit by UnnotableWorldFigure without consultation or consensus. I will propose restoration of the word spammer to the intro of the article on the Greg Tseng talk page and solicit UnnotableWorldFigure's comments on that proposal before proceeding further. As always, any guidance is appreciated. Regards, Luitgard (talk) 14:55, 24 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Let me second Luitgard's thanks. This might be undue paranoia, but I'm a little concerned there's a BLP issue in calling Tseng a spammer directly, even though that's the reason he's notable. I've elaborated at Talk:List_of_spammers. Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 16:42, 24 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Luitgard, Adrian: You are both very welcome. There may be a BLP issue calling him a spammer; however, one could argue that since he is the CEO of the company, he has responsibility for the actions of the company - much in the same way Ken Lay was responsible for Enron.  The statement could be written in such a way that he is acknowledged as the CEO of a company that has been the subject of legal actions.


 * I have asked for protection on the article and it has been granted for 3 days until the warring issues have been resolved. In addition, I have suggested that the 3RR issue logged against Luitgard be closed without any action; however, I have opened a new 3RR against UnnotableWorldFigure requesting he be sanctioned for his actions.


 * BTW - Luitgard, Let me take a moment to congratulate you on your wiliness to learn from the situation and your strong attempts to try to work with UnnotableWorldFigure. Your actions have gone well beyond what most people would have done and I think you should be congratulated for your actions.  Thank you!  <span style="font-weight:bold; color:blue; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> ttonyb  (talk) 17:28, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Love & Art Children's Foundation
hi Ttonyb1 - want to ask about the speedy deletion of "Love & Art Children's Foundation", The article provided links to external news sources.... I believe the Foundation is notable for their accomplishments + I had planned to add to page, but can no longer access it. I would appreciate any help or suggestions to make it acceptable. thanks Mdr29 (talk) 00:46, 27 April 2010 (UTC) Mdr29


 * I am sorry to say I do not remember the article; do you by any chance have a copy of the article somewhere? My guess is although you added sources, the sources did not meet the criteria in reliable sources.  A search of Google only shows 14 hits with no news hits.  The review of the Google hits shows them to not meet the criteria in reliable sources.  BTW - You can contact one of these admins to request that they  userfy the page or have a copy emailed to you.  Sorry, I was not much help.  When you get the article back let me know and I'll take a look at it. <span style="font-weight:bold; color:blue; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> ttonyb  (talk) 01:00, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Boba Phat
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Throes of Sanity
Hi Ttonyb1, I saw that you removed my "Keep" vote as a duplicate vote. However, I noticed that my prior "Keep" vote did not appear in the "AfD statistics", which is why I added it. I did not mean to duplicate my vote but want to be sure it is included in the statistics. Will it be included?


 * Not a problem. The reviewing admin will look at the support behind the individual "votes" before they make a determination about the validity of the article. The stats, well frankly, I am not sure the reason for them.  I find that at least 50% of the time they are wrong.  <span style="font-weight:bold; color:blue; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> ttonyb  (talk) 01:31, 27 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I am a little concerned that my vote for "Keep" did show up in the stats when I did not indent it on the actual AfD page and really do want to see it in the stats. Would it be okay if I deleted it in the indented version and added it to the non indented version just so I can see it in the stats? Your response is appreciated.--Metalmusicscene (talk) 01:41, 27 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I went ahead and changed the indentation on the vote and it seems to be recognized in the stats. Looks as if all is well. Please take a look at the changes and let me know if this works for you.  My best to you.  <span style="font-weight:bold; color:blue; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> ttonyb  (talk) 01:53, 27 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, thank you for doing that. I do not know if it will make a difference but I assume it is there for some reason!  My best to you as well.--Metalmusicscene (talk) 02:08, 27 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi again Ttonyb1, do you know if I am allowed to userfy the article by cutting and pasting into User:Metalmusicscene/Throes of Sanity during the AfD process without affecting the final outcome? Any insight is greatly appreciated!--Metalmusicscene (talk) 20:20, 27 April 2010 (UTC)


 * That is not a problem and is a good way to make sure you have a copy of the article in the event it is deleted. Let me know if you need any help.  <span style="font-weight:bold; color:blue; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> ttonyb  (talk) 20:27, 27 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for letting me know. I was able to copy and paste.  However, the page says "This template is being used in the wrong namespace. To nominate this user page for deletion, go to Miscellany for deletion."  Not sure what that means.  Any guidance is appreciated!--Metalmusicscene (talk) 22:00, 27 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Acutally, I deleted some of the AfD notices (hoping that was okay since it is in my user space) and it went away. If I did something wrong, please let me know.  Thanks again! --Metalmusicscene (talk) 22:03, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Brian Quintana
An admin just declined the PROD I put on this article. If you nominate it for AfD, I will work on tracking the sockpuppet in Sockpuppet investigations/Cathycamp. --Morenooso (talk) 20:42, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Carter Kaplan
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Donny B. Lord
Tony: Donny B. Lord is of credible source. Review his references.... Review D.B.L's relationship with the Jackson Family... It's that simple.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidpwwts (talk • contribs)

Tony: The sources are legit..., review IMDB, MTV.COM, TVGUIDE.COM and search for Donny B. Lord... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidpwwts (talk • contribs)


 * I do not know what you mean that he is a credible source. Please read reliable sources for a discussion of what is considered as usable in Wikipedia to support an article.  The use of blogs, YouTube videos, sites such as Linkedin or myspace, or IMDB are not considered reliable sources.  His relationship with the Jackson family does not have a bearing on his Wikipedia notability.  Wikipedia notability does not rub off to another.  If that were the case, all the parking attendants in Hollywood would have a Wikipedia article.  Also, trivial coverage does not support Wikipedia notability.  Beware of simplicity, it can hide complexity.  <span style="font-weight:bold; color:blue; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> ttonyb  (talk) 23:16, 29 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Tony: I said that D.B.L. is of credible sources. I did not see his is a credible source...  IMDB-http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0520424/ (It's a resource uncontrolled by the artist....) MTV.COM-http://www.mtv.com/videos/misc/322853/best-party-ever.jhtml#id=1598333 (Donny B. Lord's music is licensed with MTV) The article should be left alone at this point... While you are correct about the "parking attendants," it's rather insulting, to mention a protege of the Jackson Family is not credible to be on the websites. Blogs that are not controlled by the artist or affilitaed in anyway with physical interviews are credible sources. Wikipedia allows articles that are neutral and not biased.  None of the D.B.L. information is biased, it is completely neutral in nature, and can be verified, by all of the work that Donny B. Lord has completed as a child actor/entertainer until present day. <span style="font-weight:bold; color:blue; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> ttonyb  (talk) 23:42, 29 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I now see what you were trying to say. Regardless, the resources do not meet the criteria in WP:RS.  Anyone's music can be "licensed" to be on MTV - even unknown non-notable artists.  There is no insult if someone does not warrant a Wikipedia article, it is simply a application of Wikipedia guidelines that will keep someone from getting article.  Per WP:RS, blogs (even ones not controlled by the artist or affiliated in anyway with the subject of the article) are NOT credible sources.  I am not sure why you are focused on the article being "neutral and not biased".  That is not the issue here.  His notability as defined in WP:BIO and WP:MUSIC] is the problem.


 * Tony: Go look at Brandon Adams page.. D.B.L. and him share similar resources: http://www.allmovie.com/work/all-i-want-for-christmas-1563/cast Shaw only has one cited source...


 * Furthermore, D.B.L. is listed on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Kimball and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackie_Jackson pages.. So are you going to tell me there sources are not credible as well??? Are you going to tell me that Wikipedia itself is not a credible source when, all credible sources are supposed to be the basis of Wikipedia?? I'd love to see your answer sir.


 * Each article has to stand on it on merit. See WP:WAX.  I have not looked the Brandon Adams page, but it could be that that page does not meet the criteria for inclusion.


 * Using a Wikipedia article as a source is not allowed by guidelines. From WP:RS: "Wikipedia is a tertiary source." "Wikipedia articles may not be used as tertiary sources in other Wikipedia articles."  As I have suggest above, you need to read WP:RS.  <span style="font-weight:bold; color:blue; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> ttonyb  (talk) 00:17, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Beer diver
added summary and important characteristics of the beer drinking game. filed under beer drinking games and links to beer_die. did not see the need to post further information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Beerdiver (talk • contribs)
 * Regardless of the additions, the article fails to establish notability. <span style="font-weight:bold; color:blue; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> ttonyb  (talk) 05:43, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Calvin "Joonie" Gary inappropriate bot tag */
Thanks Tony - I sent an email over the first time - when I submitted the Joonie wiki - that was also flagged. It is his official Bio - and articles for the story were referenced - with the artist own interviews....justifying the story told in his bio. At this juncture, I am about to just delete his airplay direct account - so the page won't exist for a bot to find it - what a pain. That bio or a derivative of it is on all of his web presence - including his website - and careful attention was made not to write it from a biased perspective and to tell his story - there isn't going to be much we can do to tell it differently - it is what it is. Without writing it like a 5 year old....He sang in church. He is an artist. how are we supposed to get his story on here? :-) LOL! Again, thanks for your help.


 * No problem, I changed the tag to a copyvio and removed the CSD. I'll also redirect the Joonie article to Calvin "Joonie" Gary.  BTW - deleting the originating text will not remove the copyright issue.  The copyright would still exist with that original article.  My best to you... <span style="font-weight:bold; color:blue; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> ttonyb  (talk) 05:54, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Polydorus (Priam's Son)
Hi there.

In Polydorus (Priam's Son), which I just accepted via WP:AFC, should the book titles in section headings be italicised? At first I thought not, but I then noted Hamlet (inc. FA passed version of Jan 2008), and I am no longer sure. I should be grateful if you could clarify for me.  Chzz  ►  13:14, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

P.S. Unrelated; do you mind if I 'steal' your DIV colours on this page for my own talk? I rather like it.  Chzz  ►  13:16, 30 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, I believe so - I am not aware of nor could I find anything in WP:MOS that changes their format when they are used in titles. Feel free to "steal".  8-)  My best to  you.  <span style="font-weight:bold; color:blue; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> ttonyb  (talk) 15:44, 30 April 2010 (UTC)