User talk:Ttonyb1/December2010 Archives

N. K. Jemisin
Hi Tony. Problem is that there is a link on the page, and according to policy, any link anywhere on the page that is in any way about the subject means we can't use the BLPPROD (unfortunately, and we hope to  get  this changed soon). A normal PROD would be the way  to  go - and quicker! --Kudpung (talk) 05:27, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Yup, you are right.  ttonyb  (talk) 05:29, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Curious if you guys think this article is up to snuff yet? Fatal error123 (talk) 02:14, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Altered speedy deletion rationale: Over the Fence Festival
Hello Ttonyb1. I am just letting you know that I deleted Over the Fence Festival, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, under a different criterion from the one you provided, which doesn't fit the page in question. Thank you. -- Phantom Steve /talk &#124;contribs \ 05:42, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up.  ttonyb  (talk) 05:43, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion of Fraternal Order of Buffalo
Dear Ttonyb1;

I contest the speedy deletion of the Fraternal Order of Buffalo page. We are a real life incorporated service organization in Buffalo, New York I am just getting used to the use of Wikipedia editing and would like to have some time to learn how to put vital information about us, our mission and our accomplishments. If you would like to learn more about us I encourage you to learn more about our organization on our website. www.orderofbuffalo.com

Thank you for your time as I work with the other members to inform people of our accomplishments over the last three years. Thanks Mike Mjtyrpak (talk) 01:43, 2 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your message. Organizations must meet certain criteria for inclusion in Wikipedia.  All organisations must establish they are  notable per Wikipedia based criteria using reliable sources. I do not see that the organization meets that criteria.   ttonyb  (talk) 01:48, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

TtonyB thank you for that information. The main reason for our group to desire a wikipedia post is because we were asked by someone why we didn't appear there. Thank you for giving me some information on meeting the criteria I hope we can work on this stub to meet that. Mjtyrpak (talk) 01:57, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Deletion of the event, November 25, 1985
Dear Ttonyb1, I was wondering as to the reason(s) why the event that I've added today related to downed airplane on November 25, 1985, in Angola, has been deleted by you. I have first-hand knowledge of the tragedy and I knew some of the passengers on that plane. Would you be so kind and explain? Sincerely, Andre —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andreb1 (talk • contribs) 03:01, 2 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Andre, thanks for the message. The reason I removed the item was it is not really internationally significant.  In addition, it lacked an article.  You might want to take a look at WP:RY for some guidance on what to include in the years articles.  As I indicated I did not see an article for the event, you might want start an article about it.  Please let me know if you have any questions.   ttonyb  (talk) 03:10, 2 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks you for your guidance, Ttonyb1. You are absolutely right - I'll start with the article dedicated to that horrific event. As to the importance of the event, it triggered other events that led to the loss of more lives. As far as I know any loss of any aircraft in any circumstances and especially those that resulted in the loss of lives other than the crews, is an important event and significant. The war in Angola was an international conflict involving the USSR, USA, China, Cuba, SAR and other countries. I represent the Union of Veterans of Angola and intend to publish a series of articles that have historical and educational significance. Although the Union's website is in Russian, http://www.veteranangola.ru, there's a page in English on which we get cooperation and participation from the former South African soldiers and other combatants that participated in that war. Thank you for your understanding. Andre —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andreb1 (talk • contribs) 04:18, 2 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I have left a Welcome message on your talk page. It contains a numbers of links that will be helpful in your creation of the article. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask.  My best to you.    ttonyb  (talk) 04:31, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Speedy Delete for Hovid Bhd & Ho Yan Hor
Dear Tony,

I'm working for Hovid Bhd, what I trying to do is to let ppl know what Hovid Bhd is.

I not promoting any products Brand or Name here in Wikipedia and I understand Wikipedia Administrators concerns.

Anyway for me to just put some info here in Wikipedia? or totally not allow for me to do so.

Because I still find lots of company profile in Wikipedia, if I was the only one who been pinalized, its not fair to me, even I was given a last warning by 7.

Sad for it... >_< —Preceding unsigned comment added by Felix2011 (talk • contribs) 01:25, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

2011
Dear Ttonyb1: I am interested in more details regarding your claim that the 2011 edit is "not appropriate." As you may have noticed, I didn't repost the exact same information (as that would be unhelpful). Each of the three times posting, I attempted to re-edit (including providing additional, verifiable references). The information I'm trying to upload is a prediction based on biblical and oceanic research, and I'm seeking to present it from a neutral point of view. Please help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Frworldwide (talk • contribs) 01:29, 4 December 2010 (UTC)


 * The guideline for inclusion in the recent years articles is WP:RY. Generally items such as predictions based on non-science topics are not included.  If you wish to propose the item be included I suggest you post your suggestion on the article talk page with your reasoning.  If a consensus to add the article is reached, then the item will be added.   ttonyb  (talk) 01:51, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Carmela Contarino Page
Hi Tony, Sorry this was my first page I have made and maybe I am not doing it wrong. Carmela is a breakfast radio announcer in Sydney Australia, do i need more links to news reports to make it valid, not sure what to do. Thank you very much. Cheers, Gray —Preceding unsigned comment added by Graytek (talk • contribs) 04:14, 4 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Graytek, welcome to Wikipedia and thanks for the message. In order for an article to stay on Wikipedia notability has to be established for the subject using reliable sources.  In this case the article needs to meet the criteria in WP:BIO.  Take a look at the Welcome message on you talk page and let me know if you have any questions.   ttonyb  (talk) 04:23, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Małgorzata Tkacz-Janik
Hi, thank you for your watchfulness. I have added some references and will add more soon. Best, Meo Hav (talk) 10:52, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion of PortCullis Systems
Dear, Tony, You deleted ALL the references I added to this article. If you remove all references, any subject in the world would seem irrelevant and non-noteable. PortCullis is one of Microsoft's largest partners and it's appliances run some of the largest networks in the world. Without them, companies like Sprint, HP, Dell, as well as big parts of the US and Canada government would crumble. Please restore the references I put, and in the future, read through them before deciding they are insignificant.

Ben Ari —Preceding unsigned comment added by BenAriAtMicrosoft (talk • contribs) 21:01, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Graham Watt
Hi Tony,I'm writing to you in regard to the deletion of the Graham Watt picture. Now I'm relatively new to this whole editing thing, so please take it easy on me. ;) I have already obtained permission to use the image by the relevant party, so I don't see why these images have been constantly filed for deletion. Also, there were issues of notability on the said article, which I have already addressed by citing three sources of information, of which two are third-party sources, but yet it still shows that notability needs to be addressed? If you could just clear up some of these issues for me, I would really appreciate it. Thanks mate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Benju3148 (talk • contribs) 23:16, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Benju3148, thanks for the message. The reason the image has been deleted is that although you say you have permission to use the image, there is no evidence to support your statement.  Since you are not the image owner you need to follow the instructions in WP:PERMISSION before the image can be accepted for use in Wikipedia.  ttonyb  (talk) 00:00, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Cornwall Capital
The reference is to the book called The Big Short. It happens to have a Wikipedia article, so I linked to it, but the ref is for the book, not Wikipedia. Green Cardamom (talk) 03:38, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually you are using a Wikipedia article to support a Wikipedia article. This is not a valid reference.  One needs to use the original source to support a Wikipedia article.   ttonyb  (talk) 03:50, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Just because there is a wikilink within a footnote doesn't mean the wikilink is the source. It's simply a matter of courtesy to the reader to provide wikilinks. The source is as cited -- it's the book, The Big Short - that's the source. Since it should resolve any confusion, I'll add the ref back without the wikilink, since it's already linked in the article body anyway. Green Cardamom (talk) 04:10, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about deleting your notice. As you might have guessed, I am new to the wiki. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PerformerParker (talk • contribs) 16:03, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Carmela Contarino
Just a quick note to say I removed the speedy deletion tag from this page. I think there are a few credible claims of significance in the article, and she does have some press coverage. I'm not sure how I would !vote if this went to AfD (probably delete, to be honest) but I don't think CSD A7 is a good fit here. Cheers,Thparkth (talk) 23:43, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the message, I have Afd'd it.  ttonyb  (talk) 07:30, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Brent Lundy
Hello Ttonyb1. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Brent Lundy, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The article makes a credible assertion of importance or significance, sufficient to pass A7. Thank you.  Ϣere Spiel  Chequers 07:24, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the message, I have Afd'd it.  ttonyb  (talk) 07:30, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
 * That makes sense. I won't participate in that AFD but it is at best of marginal notability.  Ϣere Spiel  Chequers 16:20, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * First, let me say Thank you. I am certain your job can be difficult in safegaurding the integrity of the many new articles that come along. I do want you to know that I did go through the wikipedia tutorial and reviewed, not edited, several musican pages of the same stature prior to creating this one.  I am not certain if it is appropriate to post examples, but I have several, that would show that my citations/references seem to be inline--perhaps exceed with the wiki policies.  I am not sure how I am supposed to validate this, since it is up to the community.  I have two other articles I am working on with citations from newspapers and websites, and contrary to how you described them, substantiate the narrative telling of the biography from an independent 3rd party, as does the current article on Brent Lundy.  I guess the question becomes whether or not enough of you all feel it is nontrivial.  I would think given the number of people Mr. Lundy has worked with that already have established and approved wiki articles would be evidence enough of his worth and notability, but perhaps I interpret the guidelines not as conservatively as others. I just want to make sure that his biography is not deleted without full and fair consideration in comparision to others of the same level of prominence (as stated, I can provide examples).  I am in the process of adding additional information about the other notable (according to wiki) artists he has worked with and plan to add that before the 7 days is up-but think the article is substantiated with nontrivial support, as is. Thanks so much for your help and input.   Also, I keep inserting the time stamp, but it doesn't seem to take. Not sure how to address that.  If you have suggestions on how to correct that, that would be wonderful. --Docmusique1 19:38, 7 December 2010 (UTC)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by DocMusique (talk • contribs)
 * Typing ~ will insert your signature, which you can alter in your preferences. I'm not sure what else you're asking for help with, but if you have another question, just stick helpme on your talk page and someone will be along shortly. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   21:26, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you!--Docmusique1 (talk) 02:50, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * DocMusique, Thanks for the message. Just to be clear, I, like you, am a volunteer.  We all do this as a labor of love, a commitment to the dissemination of information, and a commitment to community.  The reason the article has been AfD'd is simply that it fails to provide adequate support to validate the content of the article.  Wikipedia is based on providing verification to support the article subject using "non-trivial" reliable references.  The article will not be deleted without due consideration by other independent editors.  I would suggest you read the comment on the AfD that talks about inherited notability before adding the acts Lundy has worked with in the past.  I would also suggest you look at the criteria in WP:BIO and WP:MUSIC to see if he has met any of the other criteria.  My best to you and good luck.  <span style="font-weight:bold; color:blue; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> ttonyb  (talk) 17:15, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Just wanted to say thanks, this process is teaching me the wiki process and alerting me to things I will need to pay more attention to when writing furture articles or in editing and eventually in reviewing and providing comments. I actually enjoy a healthy debate, so this has been a great way for me to learn the ropes. Much respect, Docmusique1 (talk) 14:09, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
 * My pleasure. I hope you continue to contribute to Wikipedia.  It can be a frustrating experience at times, but also a rewarding one.  My best to you.  <span style="font-weight:bold; color:blue; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> ttonyb  (talk) 16:06, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Queens Jewish Center - referencing update
I apologize... I am learning here as I go.I am hoping to get the issues resolved soon. Thank you for your assistance. I wish there was more to provide in terms of referencing. I did my best in adding additional 3rd party references. The synagogue website posted some of this information from one of it's annual dinner journals back in the 1950's. There is no further documentation, except for this Journal which is stored in the synagogue office along with all the other Journal's.Please let me know if this is sufficient as it would be great if those referencing notices at the top of the page could be removed. Thanks Queensite (talk) 14:52, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

San Francisco City Clinic
what do you think of San Francisco City Clinic?THIS BITES 01:18, 8 December 2010 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thisbites (talk • contribs)
 * Certainly a worthy cause and it appears to be a great topic for an article in Wikipedia, but it lacks adequate references. I can't believe the SF Chron does not have some articles about it in its archive. It has been around for a while and it looks as if you are working on it, so I see no need to tag it. My best to you and good luck.  <span style="font-weight:bold; color:blue; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> ttonyb  (talk) 02:19, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks I contacted you specifically because I think you are judgmental in fact I thought you might try and have it deleted but in any case I think its notable so that would have gotten people to improve it. I am just as surprised that there's no press to be found, I think its a topic of local interest and that its hard to find press on it but my hunch is that it is there, probably the bayview paper, local gay paper, and chronicle or examiner have mentioned it for sure. as for the how to of it all, i see what you mean i work on a lot of bay area public transit articles so that is why i mentioned it, but the lines don't belong there, i was just trying to have enough material for a did you know, i reworked it to just mention that its accessible at certain limes by roads and public transit but only mention the systems not routes so it is not a how to. its common to mention what public transit serves a place such as a hospital or university.THIS BITES 20:19, 8 December 2010 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thisbites (talk • contribs)


 * I am a bit perplexed as to why you think I am judgmental. If I have nominated other articles in the past, the article subject (unless a hoax) has no bearing on the nomination.  If you are implying I target articles because of content, I am disappointed in your unsupported rush to judgement.


 * Frankly, I am disappointed you would try to bait me or anyone else in this manner. This kind of behavior is not in the communal spirit that makes Wikipedia a wonderful place to interact with others and to contribute to worthy cause.   If you have issues with anyone's actions on Wikipedia, I suggest you contact them and ask why the action was taken rather than resorting to such "behind the back" tactics - again, it does not encourage the the spirit of community.  You may wish to reread WP:AGF.


 * As far as the article goes, in the form it was when you brought it to my attention, it could very well have been tagged it as lacking adequate secondary sources. How would that action have been judgmental?  Just because a person thinks an article is notable does not make it notable.  There is criteria that specifically addresses notability and the viability of its sources that support an article that should be met by all articles.    Perhaps a simple apology is in order and we can both go our happy ways.  <span style="font-weight:bold; color:blue; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> ttonyb  (talk) 20:52, 8 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Because of the way you pounced on dudesnude and basically i am complementing you as proving good criticism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thisbites (talk • contribs) 21:15, 8 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Again, you may wish to reread WP:AGF. <span style="font-weight:bold; color:blue; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> ttonyb (talk) 22:06, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Angela Slatter
Hi, Ttonyb1, what else can I add to this page to satisfy your interpretation of WP:BIO and WP:CREATIVE. The author has received 5 award nominations, and has been reviewed in numerous independent publications. Punkrocker1991 (talk) 06:30, 11 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi, I have twice asked for your input into how to demonstrate notability and make this page compliant (here and in the discussion of the page). I am yet to get some solid advice that I can use to improve the page. Can you please outline in detail your objections and I will then endeavour to satisfactorily answer these. Punkrocker1991 (talk) 00:32, 12 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Please see my comments in the AfD. <span style="font-weight:bold; color:blue; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> ttonyb  (talk) 00:51, 12 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi, I have seen your comments and requested additional clarification. Please see my request in the AfD. Punkrocker1991 (talk) 01:19, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

SudhaVijayau
Hi Ttonyb1, I have seen that you have removed the references I have added for Writer, Sakthi T. K. Krishnasamy, and wondered why? This article is authentic as he is an award winning writer of South India during his times. He has some of his films published in other pages of Wikipedia. This writer is no more and has died in 1989, which will be added soon. I have heard first hand from few South Indian film directors, that even now many aspiring actors who approach them talk the famous dialogs written by Sakthi T. K. Krishnasamy in their screen test. I like to make this section more authentic by adding more links/ref(s) in the next few days, so please don't remove any. Thanks. 220.245.122.126 (talk) 22:22, 11 December 2010 (UTC) sudhavijayau
 * The reason the links were converted to inline links is Wikipedia articles are not considered to be valid references. Please see reliable sources for more information. <span style="font-weight:bold; color:blue; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> ttonyb (talk) 22:36, 11 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Everything required to make the article genuine has been added including the Wikipedia reliable links and external references. Just keep opposing without proper reasons, this way there won't be much more genuine articles written in Wikipedia as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.245.122.126 (talk) 02:24, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * All articles must meet certain criteria to be included in Wikipedia. This article fails to meet the criteria in WP:BIO using reliable sources.  Specifically, the article fails to provide "non-trivial" sources to support the article.  Rather than suggesting I am opposing the article for invalid reasons, I suggest you read the articles I have referenced in my comment and the articles referenced in the AfD.  Since you are the subject's son, I suggest you review the article WP:COI paying attention as to why Wikipedia discourages writing articles when there is a vested interest in the subject. <span style="font-weight:bold; color:blue; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> ttonyb  (talk) 03:00, 12 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Ttonyb1, What made you to conclude that I am the subject's son?, which I am not really. Sorry to say, this is ridiculous. I can't even understand how you can arrive at this kind of imaginary conclusions or judgment, when you request for more creditable references or resources on articles like this. Leaving that aside, first of all, if related articles given as links from Wikipedia cannot be trusted as reliable sources for this article, then why in the first place such articles are still kept in Wikipedia. Please search few times on the internet, then you will know there are not many links or resources available on (South) Indian Cinema of the 50(s) and 60(s). Given that scenario, I genuinely think that enough creditable outside links and references are added to this article to substantiate the subject. Really man, I would like to know what you are doing at Wikipedia or what authority you really hold in such decision making, pls don't mistake me for asking this question or take offense. I have read so many pages or articles in Wikipedia on Indian Cinema, where I have some good knowledge in particular. Many of these pages have hardly any resources or external links at all to substantiate their contents, let alone to prove their quality. How come they are all there in Wikipedia then? I am not going to argue anything anymore with you on this, as I really don't get any benefit out of adding some contents to this article. I am not going to write anymore and waste my time here. All the best for all your great endeavours like these taking such abstract decisions. Sudhavijayau (talk) 04:26, 14 December 2010 (UTC)Sudhavijayau


 * Very simply following WP:DUCK, your (Sudhavijayau) blanking of comments by 220.245.122.126.  I assumed it was a good faith edit since someone would not remove an edit by the author.  In Wikipedia redacting another's comments is strictly discouraged.


 * Wikipedia is about verifiability of the comments in the article.  Unless the article has the references needed, it will not survive the AfD.  It is the author's responsibility to insure the adequacy of references – it is not the reader's responsibility.  If it matters, I have no more responsibility than you, I, like you, am a volunteer dedicated to insuring the quality Wikipedia content.  As far as other article that may or may not be lacking they have no bearing in this discussion since all articles need to stand on their own merits.  <span style="font-weight:bold; color:blue; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> ttonyb  (talk) 04:50, 14 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Ttonyb, even though I didn't want to write or debate any further on this, I saw your reply and valued your sincerity as a volunteer of Wikipedia (with no monetary benefits). Hence I felt like explaining. I wrote this article over the weekend from a library internet terminal after reading an old 'Tamil literature' journal, in which most of the contents written in this Wikipedia’s article about this Tamil writer was given. So I immediately searched in Wikipedia and found none in his name and wrote this article. When I went to extend the (paid) internet time in my library card, a mischievous friend, who was sitting next to me, saw your comments and wrote some reply for that. When I came back to my terminal, I felt it was not funny on his part, scolded him for such a mischief and removed it from that page. I apologise for this (or his) tampering. Having said so this is a classic or bad example or reality on how the contents of a public domain like Wikipedia can be tampered by such people (without second thoughts). On the other side, it also shows even you can assume (as a reviewer or whatever) that I am the subject's son and come up with damaging personal remarks like vested interest, etc., without proper proof (as you are Alert and Relaxed, without taking this as personal, can you just sit back and think on this). I can prove this claim (or my identity) easily and show your said comments are nothing other than your quick assumptions. To be honest, actually I am a lady interested in Tamil literature and Cinema; and felt a bit bad that someone took me for a man (let alone a 'Son' of one of my articles’ subject). You have to understand another thing if you are a honest reviewer. Wikipedia covers articles on varied topics and subjects from different regions of different countries. So the references or links given will also be totally different in accordance with that region or domain, to which the article's subject belongs. You can never bluntly say something like, "unless it has reliable resources" in such a scenario. I can add one link from a National News Paper of India talking about the article's subject. Still a skeptic reviewer, can come back and say (without reading the link or checking its validity related to the article or knowing anything about that link site) that it is not a reliable or acceptable link. The truth here is, only the reviewer doesn't have any knowledge on the subject (or its region), and just comes out with some abstract guidelines and rules opposing it. Please don't take offence as I have nothing personal against you, just sit back and think on this reality (about public domain, internet links, the world being very wide and varied; and our knowledge being very limited in areas other than our origin or background). If you have time, please go into the links added for this article and read it within the context to the subject or article's contents. If I do that as a reviewer, at least I know that I am passing a genuine context sensitive (review) remark. I honestly don't care even if this article gets deleted, as I truly contributed to it, without any (so called) vested interest. Anyway I will try to get some more good references and add to this article, if possible (if I get time); and leave it at that. Thanks Tony.  Bye. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sudhavijayau (talk • contribs)05:53, 14 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your comments. <span style="font-weight:bold; color:blue; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> ttonyb  (talk) 16:12, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Bill Kerby
Hi Tony. I have combined all the multiple issue tags you and I both placed, into one template. Rm 'resumé' because there are enough tags now to give the creator food for thought  ;) --Kudpung (talk) 04:16, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, although I think I beat you to the combination of the two groups. 8-)...My best to you.  <span style="font-weight:bold; color:blue; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> ttonyb  (talk) 04:18, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Regarding Internet Suraksha
Sir, I have not used any copyrighted information, and the article whose content I have used in the page has been written by me itself for the Times Of india supplement Ahmedabad Mirror. So I dont think there is any harm in posting my own article again. And that I have created this page for advertisement purposes is not true. This is a non-profit organisation and I have written about my research which aims to create awareness amongst people. I hope that my article will be a part of Wikipedia.Harshkashiparekh (talk) 05:40, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Skimmachines
Tony,

Can you please remove the Speedy Deletion of Skimmachines. The text on Urban Dictionary is the text that I have entered there so it is mine to use!

Regards, Paul — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pauldutch (talk • contribs) 02:17, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Menelik Number
It's quite a common definition among the young traveller communities. You can easily find travellers in Kao San Road in Bangkok, or in Delhi, or in Denpasar talking about the countries they have visited, referring to the "Menelik Number". I don't know frankly who invented it, but it's quite popular. So I think it should be better to remove the Speedy Deletion Regards Gianni

Apology
Hi, I saw your message about the page I made entitled The Golden Girls Death Cycle and I apologize if you felt it was inappropriate. I didn't mean for it to come off as such and I can understand the want to delete it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Selma Simpson (talk • contribs) 19:43, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion Addiction Biology
Dear Tony,please undo the speedy deletion of the addiction biology article. I changes already the text so that there shouldn't be any copyright troubles anymore. However, please note that the article will be improved in the following weeks. Thanks. DrPhosphorus (talk) 22:57, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Done... <span style="font-weight:bold; color:blue; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> ttonyb (talk) 23:13, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Hi Tony Speedy deletion of "raees Warsi" The article is from raees warsi's book, submitted with his permission. I apologize for not forwarding the authorization in advance. It is 12:42 am, will get the copy release from him in am emailed directly to permissions@wikimedia.org — Preceding unsigned comment added by Syed64 (talk • contribs) 05:43, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Total Drama Kids
Why'd you withdraw the prod on Total Drama Kids? I'm looking at it and smelling hoax myself; I want to make sure you didn't find something to validate it. —C.Fred (talk) 04:20, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I was not sure about it and wanted to get back to it later. I was wavering and just wanted look at it again.  There was no validation on my part.   <span style="font-weight:bold; color:blue; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> ttonyb  (talk) 05:31, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Philermenian Society


The article Philermenian Society has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * Non-notable literary society lacking GHits and GNEWS of substance. Appears to fail WP:GROUP.

While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. The speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Rednevog (talk) 23:14, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Borsa Bella Design Company - No valid reason to delete as the company is fairly "notable"
Not sure why "speedy deletion" tag was placed on this article, challenging its "notability", given the fact that this is company is well-known, and is a stand-alone subject, and well-sourced. As I thought was clear in the article's references. Also "Borsa Bella" is endorsed by Kindle. And I doubt anyone would question the notability or credibility of Amazon Kindle. ResearchRave (talk) 02:55, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Being fairly notable is not enough to have an article in Wikipedia. All articles must be notable according to Wikipedia criteria and using reliable sources.  Even if the company was endorsed by Amazon,  notability is not inherited.  Currently the article lacks support to meet the criteria in WP:COMPANY. <span style="font-weight:bold; color:blue; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> ttonyb  (talk) 03:45, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * That's just your opinion.  You have failed to point out just how it's not notable according to Wikipedia standards. You just ASSERTED that to be so, with zero actual specifics and proof in that sense.  Other editors would not agree with you.   There's subjectivity going on here.   The company is notable and stand-alone.   WP standards of what is "notable" can be interpreted subjectively however you want to, according to your personal tastes, whims, or biases.   The objective facts, however, are that I can cite WP policy that says if a subject or entity is well-sourced (this is), and is "stand-alone" as a subject (this is), and is known (it does NOT have to be known by everyone on the planet, hence, why there are encyclopedias in the first place sometimes to help people "know" and "learn" more about things), or fairly known by many (this company is), then it arguably deserves a stand-alone article.   Again, you only offered assertions, that this is "not notable enough" without stating just how.  And an article should NOT be deleted just on hasty assertions. Cheers. ResearchRave (talk) 03:49, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * As I indicated above, the article must be notable according to Wikipedia criteria and using reliable sources. This article fails to establish this notability. I am not sure how I could be clearer than that. <span style="font-weight:bold; color:blue; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> ttonyb  (talk) 03:55, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I was about to put my "amendment" thingy just before you wrote your response, but you beat me to it.  Please read below. Thanks. ResearchRave (talk) 03:58, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Amendment....I just took a look at your link of WP:COMPANY, and I guess your point is (maybe) that the article does not have maybe reliable secondary sources, but only "slight mention" or something?  And that it also has references that are primary source?   Well, even so, my point is that this company is notable in general, not necessarily "inherited".    And arguably more "notable" or "known" than OTHER companies on Wikipedia articles out there.  Hence my surprise at your tag.    No biggie though.... Cheers. ResearchRave (talk) 03:55, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The point is that if it does not meet Wikipedia criteria, it is not considered as notable. In addition, if one company is notable it does not make the other company notable - even if it supports it.  BTW - all articles must stand on their own merits, so the existence of other article has no bearing on this article. <span style="font-weight:bold; color:blue; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> ttonyb  (talk) 04:03, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * One question
 * I do understand the point. But I'd like to ask you.  I'm a little curious why, instead of putting an extreme "delete this article" tag on it, why you just couldn't put a "better citations needed" tag instead, as is done on many other articles, with similar issues.  I mean, goodness, I JUST PUT the article up, and don't you think that might have been a bit hasty and harsh to just want to dump it right off the bat, despite the work I put into it?   It just comes off as a bit dogmatic, narrow, and disrespectful, to be frank.   What would have been wrong with the "secondary sources needed" tag, to place on the top, instead?   Just wondering.... ResearchRave (talk) 04:08, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * That's simple. Before attaching a CSD tag, I reviewed the existing references and searched Google for GHits and GNEWS.  The existing references did not support notability; the GHits were lacking substance; and there were zero GNEWS hits.  If there was a chance the article could be saved, an appropriate tag would have been placed on the article or I would have added the appropriate references to support the article.  <span style="font-weight:bold; color:blue; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> ttonyb  (talk) 04:32, 18 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Re-assessment
 * I'm thinking that there may be a point.  While this company has some notability (obviously), it may not be well-sourced enough.   Not enough to firmly establish notability.  There's just not that much information or references out there about this specific company.  And primary sources should only be used sparingly on WP articles, once notability is established.   This article has not done that, I feel.  So I withdraw my contesting of it. ResearchRave (talk) 04:31, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

hey
whyd you shut down P-Stone Ice? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChumpNasty (talk • contribs) 23:12, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The article has been nominated for deletion as an inappropriate article. <span style="font-weight:bold; color:blue; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> ttonyb (talk) 23:15, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of List of Underground Press Syndicate members
Can you be more specific about why you think this could/should be deleted? It's a useful adjunct to the Wikipedia page on the Underground Press Syndicate, and it is in the public domain.--Fafhrdrn1154 (talk)
 * Have you taken a look at WP:NOTDIRECTORY? <span style="font-weight:bold; color:blue; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> ttonyb (talk) 00:26, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion converted to PROD: La 45
Hello Ttonyb1. I am just letting you know that I have converted the speedy deletion tag that you placed on La 45 to a proposed deletion tag, because I do not believe CSD applies to the page in question. Thank you. -- <font color="#307D7E">Phantom <font color="#55CAFA">Steve /<font color="#008000">talk &#124;<font color="#000080">contribs \ 00:42, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I can see why you thought the bot showed a false-positive. It appears someone just removed the text.  I just updated the CSD to a G12 per .  <span style="font-weight:bold; color:blue; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> ttonyb  (talk) 01:05, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Moshe Kasher
Hi you proposed deletion due to a lack of reference, I added reference, you proposed deletion again, explain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oaklandfunk (talk • contribs) 08:13, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The tag is placed there because the article needs to have, "...at least one reliable source." If you read the definition of reliable source neither of the sources meet the criteria. Neither are sources are independent.  <span style="font-weight:bold; color:blue; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> ttonyb  (talk) 15:50, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Michael Schwartz (physician)
The Dr. Schwartz article was selected for deletion. The reason was stated that he may not be a notable individual. However, as he is the most notable ringside physician in the world in ringside medicine, has developed every currently recognized medical protocol and is widely published in both medical journals and medical book, can you please let me know how to correct this page to approve it for Wikipedia. Thank you, Marny — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mbsdoc (talk • contribs) 18:15, 19 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, "real-world" notability does not equate to Wikipedia based notability. In order for an individual to have an article in Wikipedia, the article must meet the criteria in WP:GNG or WP:BIO using "non-trivial" reliable sources. I would suggest you read the referenced articles and if you have any questions, please let me know.  I also suggest you look at the Welcome message placed on your talk page and review the links there.  <span style="font-weight:bold; color:blue; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> ttonyb  (talk) 18:27, 19 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you Ttonyb1! We have reviewed the GNG and other links and have forward additional references. Can you please tell us if these surfice or if not, which specific reference will. Thank you once again for your time and consideration. Marny


 * http://www.secondsout.com/columns/thomas-hauser/medical-issues-and-the-aaprp
 * http://books.google.com/books?id=Z4YnxIeX-EMC&pg=PA278&lpg=PA278&dq=michael+schwartz+ringside+hauser&source=bl&ots=YtWvS2cZwa&sig=re91hxEalQB0Sl9x32ZAODOdW5k&hl=en&ei=4VcOTdjxEMys8Abth7jjCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBcQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false
 * http://books.google.com/books?id=0o1iPjMQ7-0C&pg=PA102&lpg=PA102&dq=michael+schwartz+ringside+hauser&source=bl&ots=4zbdPQiaU5&sig=aCp0Dt_M7F3Iej1MoDTgnwupzvo&hl=en&ei=4VcOTdjxEMys8Abth7jjCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CC4Q6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=michael%20schwartz%20ringside%20hauser&f=false — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mbsdoc (talk • contribs) 19:33, 19 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Please be sure to sign your comments using 4 tildes (~), like this: .  The first item helps, but the other two are trivial mentions of the individual.  <span style="font-weight:bold; color:blue; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> ttonyb  (talk) 19:50, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Altered speedy deletion rationale: Estelle and Morgan
Hello Ttonyb1. I am just letting you know that I deleted Estelle and Morgan, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, under a different criterion from the one you provided, which doesn't fit the page in question. Thank you. <font color="#307D7E">Phantom <font color="#55CAFA">Steve /<font color="#008000">talk &#124;<font color="#000080">contribs \ 00:28, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

 * This is supposed to be to Patxi's Chicago Pizza. Not sure why it didn't link correctly.   Ol Yeller  '''<font style="color:#827839;">Talktome 20:23, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Not convinced by speedy delete
Hi Ttonyb1 - you just marked for speedy deletion a new article I was creating on Paul Hilder, who I've just discovered appears to have been a founder of a few notable organisations I've been following in parallel -- openDemocracy.net (which has its own article which cites him as a founder and has published many articles by Wikipedia personages), Avaaz.org (which has its own article and claims over 6 million members) and 38 Degrees -- he also gave a TED talk recently and there are plenty of references to him. So having taken a look at the criteria I think it meets the notability criteria but obv this is my first article so am open to discussion or education! Slothrop2010 (talk) 00:12, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * All articles must meet certain criteria for inclusion in Wikipedia. The criteria for individuals is in WP:GNG and WP:BIO.  The criteria must be supported by reliable sources.  The article you refer to did not meet the criteria.  Take a look at the articles I mentioned and the article in the Welcome message I left on your talk page and let me know if you have any questions.  Thanks...  <span style="font-weight:bold; color:blue; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> ttonyb  (talk) 00:17, 22 December 2010 (UTC)


 * thanks - useful - CactusWriter is userfying it and I may come back to it Slothrop2010 (talk) 00:25, 22 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Great! Best of luck.  <span style="font-weight:bold; color:blue; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> ttonyb  (talk) 00:29, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Marcou, David Joseph
Hello Ttonyb1. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Marcou, David Joseph, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: nominated for a pulitzer is an assertion of imporance. Thank you.  Ϣere Spiel  Chequers 01:01, 22 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I am unable find any indication of the Pulitzer in any search. I will AfD the article.  <span style="font-weight:bold; color:blue; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> ttonyb  (talk) 01:15, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, if an attempt to source it didn't pan out then prod or AFD makes sense. Or G3 if you work out its a fraud. Ϣere  Spiel  Chequers 08:36, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

David Marcou has 1 of 3 pictures of Bert Hardy in the NPG. He has published over 1,000 photographs, 2,000 articles, and 30 books. Mr. Marcou has spent most of his life working as a freelance writer. Please take a closer look at the Wisconsin Historical society and LaCrosse history links to see a better perspective on his work. Sincerely, Dacorbandit (talk) 03:53, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

In reference to your Tha joker edit
revision in reference

As the article stands for speedy deletion, I believe it would be appropriate to keep it's contents intact, regardless of it's nomination.--ForgottenHistory (talk) 04:12, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Given that the article was blanked by the author it is appropriate to apply a db-blanked. <span style="font-weight:bold; color:blue; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> ttonyb  (talk) 04:14, 22 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Ah, I did not notice that it was now db-blanked.--ForgottenHistory (talk) 04:15, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Frankie_(singer)
Hi, I just had a closer look at the page Frankie_(singer) which you placed a PROD on. It seemed funny to me that someone with such big claims of notability didnt have an existing page. I've tried to find them in the Billboard records, and can find nothing. Its likely that the page may be a carefully constructed hoax. I'd be grateful for a second opinion. Cheers Clovis Sangrail (talk) 05:02, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I believe you are probably right about it being a hoax. The author is an SPA and I could not find any indication of the existence of the singer.  I marked it as a BLP to give the author time to add refs, but I now agree with you.  I am going to mark it as a hoax.  Thanks for following up on this and my best to you.  <span style="font-weight:bold; color:blue; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> ttonyb  (talk) 06:27, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks - It was an crafty one as it was so very nicely formatted. I wonder why...  Clovis Sangrail (talk) 10:25, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Rob Kelly (Internet Professional)
Hi- What do GHITS and GNEWS stand for? You mentioned it in reference to the proposed deletion of 'Rob Kelly, Internet Professional' Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.198.100.215 (talk) 04:27, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the confusion. Goggle hits and Google News. My best to you... <span style="font-weight:bold; color:blue; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> ttonyb  (talk) 04:41, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Declined BLPPROD: John Makdessi
I've declined this BLPPROD but it might not be clear why--since you proposed it, information has been added, the infobox in particular contains a reference to what seems to have been an acceptably reliable source in a couple past RSN discussions. There are still notability issues, etc., with the article, and you may decide that regular PROD and/or BLPPROD are appropriate after review. Best, --<font color='#66dd44'>j &#9883; e deckertalk 04:47, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Possible sock?
I noticed your proposed deletion of Antjuan Tobias, created by user "antjuantobias", and noticed user "Enewster" completely took over editing that article and listing Antjuan Tobias in the Army Wives article. I am wondering if this is an sockpuppet account, but I am unsure about how to report/find out other than an admin note. So I figured I would just bring this to your attention, and let you deal with it if you think I am correct in my observation. I do not want to accuse someone wrongfully if they are not sockpuppeting, but this does appear suspect to me. I suppose it's also possible they do not realize it's against the rules to use a second name to further your favourite Wikipedia subject, as they were told it's not really proper to write articles about yourself. Cheers, Trista (cannot log in at work) 24.176.191.234 (talk) 00:07, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Actual multiple monitors
What are the reasons of removal my post about Actual Multiple Monitors? Advertising? I created it exactly like the article about ultramon.. Then why not deleted article about Ultramon? Where is the justice? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Filosoff88 (talk • contribs) 05:19, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The article was nominated for deletion "because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article." The article was reviewed by an admin and they concurred with the nomination.  I am not familiar with the article you referred to in your comment. It could be very possible that the article does not meet the criteria for inclusion into Wikipedia.  Feel free to nominate the article for deletion; however, I suggest you make sure you understand the criteria for deletion.  <span style="font-weight:bold; color:blue; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> ttonyb  (talk) 06:02, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

1988
I was wondering if you could clarify your recent reversion to 1988: "Removed individuals not internationally notable and/or lacking minimum project articles per WP:RY." I've noticed that the vast majority of linked biographies there do not have ten Wikipedia articles in various languages, so I'm wondering by what standard one is recognized as "internationally notable". Thanks! Location (talk) 00:30, 30 December 2010 (UTC)


 * The individuals I removed failed to meet the criteria in WP:RY. If the others do not have the minimum number of articles they could also be removed, but I don't have the inclination to review their adherence to WP:RY. <span style="font-weight:bold; color:blue; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> ttonyb  (talk) 00:37, 30 December 2010 (UTC)


 * So the "not internationally notable and/or" part of the edit comment is superfluous? Location (talk) 00:38, 30 December 2010 (UTC)


 * In this case yes. WP:RY is a minimum requirement. An article with 10 or more project articles might be rejected for inclusion if the project articles are inconsequential and the consensus is not to include them in recent years. My best to you. <span style="font-weight:bold; color:blue; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> ttonyb  (talk) 00:56, 30 December 2010 (UTC)


 * OK. Thanks for the clarification! Location (talk) 01:03, 30 December 2010 (UTC)


 * My pleasure. <span style="font-weight:bold; color:blue; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> ttonyb  (talk) 01:15, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Scalado */
Hello, I would like to make a statement not to remove this article as I have added more information about Scalado's technology and what they do. So please look it over again before you delete it as I was not quick enough to write :) Thanks, Alex


 * (Mistakenly placed hangon template removed) - Robofish (talk) 00:38, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

We are the owner of Frontier Journal
Thanks! inbayarea2010 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Inbayarea2010 (talk • contribs) 01:16, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Meaning what? <span style="font-weight:bold; color:blue; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> ttonyb  (talk) 01:28, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * We own the content, so there is no copyright issues, am I right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Inbayarea2010 (talk • contribs) 01:40, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Until you provide proof you are the owner and allow for the text's use on Wikipedia it is still a copyright issue. Please see donating copyrighted materials for information on how to provide proof and how to donate the material to Wikipedia.  <span style="font-weight:bold; color:blue; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> ttonyb  (talk) 01:45, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Hi Ttonyb1, Regarding your speedy deletion request for composer Leslie Wildman: I added reasons to keep her entry on her talk page. Also added some external links to the article. Suggestions on improving formatting etc. are very much appreciated. Happy new year to you! Playbill (talk) 05:49, 31 December 2010 (UTC)