User talk:Ttonyb1/July 2010 Archives

Mike philips - Trying to work on this and add references
I thought my Mike Philips page was on my user space so I would have time to work on it and add references. How do I work on it in my user space? I have added more references too. Oodleday (talk) 15:05, 1 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I have moved a copy of the article to your user page. You can get to it here.   ttonyb  (talk) 15:45, 1 July 2010 (UTC)


 * thank you! Oodleday (talk) 15:57, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

APALA page
So I wanted to create a page for APALA. It's been mentioned by at least 5 or 6 authors and others who have been honored by our organization. What's the best way to let you know that it's ok to use the content on our website in a wikipedia article? We don't have apalaweb.org email addresses. Our current chair is at LMU in Los Angeles. Can he send you a letter stating that this is ok if it is agreed to by all executive board members? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aangelaa (talk • contribs) 04:24, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Tom Baruch
We are the people who created the text used in this article, why are you deleting it. I understand it has been copied elsewhere and I can get their permissions too if necessary. Mbm982 (talk) 02:06, 3 July 2010 (UTC)


 * There are a couple of issues associated with this article. First of all, Wikipedia discourages working on articles where there is a close association with the subject. Per WP:COI, "If your close personal involvement with the subject would be seen as overriding the aims and core policies of Wikipedia, you will probably have a conflict of interest."  Secondly, the text is copyrighted and therefore cannot be used in Wikipedia unless the material has been created under a license comparable with Wikipedia use guidelines or the text has been donated for use in Wikipedia.  I suggest you read the articles I have referenced and let me know if you have any specific questions.   ttonyb  (talk) 02:43, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

inre this tag at The Lives of Mount Druitt Youth
It sure had lots of problems... the authors POV being one, advert being another, and poor use of sourcing being a major third. I have addressed the multiple issues and left a note of caution on the author's talk page. It may be a squeeker... but I think its good enough for now and can get better over time... as long as the author does not return and add hyperbole and fluff. Best,  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 02:49, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, nicely done and thank you for taking the time. You beat me to removing the PROD. My best to you.   ttonyb  (talk) 02:53, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Considering the article's original state, it was a very reasonable prod... so I left it on until I felt confident enough in its removal. Thanks and have a great weekend.   Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 03:19, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Hi Ttonyb1
I am writting about the deletion of the page I just created. H. Vice is a notorious producer in the Hollywood scene, and is a recognizable figure in the music industry, I am not sure why this page is being deleted...

Thanks -Ben —Preceding unsigned comment added by Benoit33 (talk • contribs) 06:37, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Hi Ttonyb1
I am not sure what else can be attached the wikipedia for it not to be erased. If there is any advice you could give me that would be great, thanks so much —Preceding unsigned comment added by Benoit33 (talk • contribs) 06:45, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Hello Friend!
Hi Ttonyb1! On that Javier Moro article, I want to contribute this to WikiProject Biography. And the article was left blank for I couldn't get much information about the person and left it blank. I shall start it again when get can much info on it, and get help from others. Regards,--Sainsf&lt;^&gt; (talk) 16:52, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Denise Milani
Hello! You have recommended the page on Denise Milani for quick deletion. However, I have added new information. Milani was ranked as one of the top models in the world. Please do consider not deleting! Thanks so much. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denise_Milani_(model)--Jo (talk) 00:30, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Communiqué "Geochange"
I added references and links to my article Communiqué "Geochange" please explain what i must do more. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ismail Valiyev (talk • contribs) 05:54, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

VIASPACE
Hi, the Viaspace article has been trimmed down by various contributers over the weeks. Can the speedy deletion tag be removed from the article at this time. The article is no where near spam territory at this time. CleanFuture (talk) 06:25, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Trimming the ICCD factory post
Why are these additions being removed? I have written them legitimately as part of a blog and i've brought them over to wikipedia. Is there an issue with this? I thought i provided sufficient references of additional published material to warrant its inclusion. If it is the tone of the article thats concerning, please advise.Dairyintheillawarra (talk) 04:06, 8 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Very simply, as explained in the edit summary, they are copyright violations. Use of copyrighted text is a violation of Wikipedia guidelines and US copyright laws.   ttonyb  (talk) 04:11, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Dr Kenneth K Kim
Hi, Could you please explain why you re-instated the COI tag, as I explained why I removed it in the first place (twice now). Also, 69.181.249.92 removed the picture that was considered "offensive". I don't know why it got the COI tag though. If anything, I would think that Copyright Infringement would have had more to do with it, which I intended to try and clarify if needed.

I am getting really frustrated with Wikipedia. I understand that these things may seem like trivial games to you, but the reason I started this article in the first place was because my roommate was having a lot of issues recently because her brother just got sent to jail for some crimes. She started thinking that if there were more positive Korean American role models, her brother wouldn't have done that in the first place. I was the one that came up with making Wikipedia articles on more prominent Korean American figures, and we decided to do one on Dr. Kim because a lot of our friends just recently got some very botched eyelid surgery jobs and are having to get them redone (some of them even two or three times, which is just sad), so we figured this would be a great start for our little "project" on gaining recognition for more Korean American figures.

I am also starting to realize that this may sound like we are just in it for a trivial game, but we are not. I really do want to get more recognition for Korean American people, especially because of everything I've seen my roommate (and some of my high school friends) go through.

Blah, in some ways, I am starting to take a lot of this personally, because I don't understand why I can't seem to get anything right these days... People bios (talk) 04:12, 8 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Per COI, "If your personal involvement with a subject could be seen as overriding the aims and policies of Wikipedia, you probably have a conflict of interest." You indicated in the image summary that you had some sort of involvement with the doctor. You indicated you are the copy holder of the image - clearly an established relationship with the subject of the article.  If you mother has a relationship (even business) there is an assumption that you are not writing this article from an arm's length position.  The only one who has indicated these are trivial games is you.  As  volunteer and since I could be donating my time somewhere else, I take this very seriously.  Most Wikipedia volunteers do.


 * Your motivation behind writing the article is admirable; however, all article must meet certain criteria in order to be accepted into Wikipedia. The basis premise is that of establishing notability using reliable sources.  Something that I am afraid is lacking for this article.   ttonyb  (talk) 04:22, 8 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi, yes I read the COI just now and I explained on my talk page. My mother does have the image because she has done an article on Dr. Kim, which is how there would be some level of conflict in interest but it seems a bit of a stretch at the same time. Seriously though, does this mean that if my mom were to do a news coverage on the korean Kollaboration founder and leader, I would be banned from writing an article on him as well due to the different degrees of separation? I don't know if this sounds like a smart aleck question but if you knew my tone you would know that I am being very serious about this because I am trying to gain a better understanding of how this works exactly so as not to step on anyone's toes in the future. I am really looking for a sincere response, so please do not think of this as me just trying to be a brat.


 * But to be honest, I find the last line a bit offensive. I found some more articles on him that are considered extremely reliable sources when it comes to the KOREAN Community. I don't know if this occurs to anyone, but you can go over my history.. I HAVE BEEN TRYING MY BEST to make the article meet Wikipedia guidelines, but the problem is that it seems to fall down to personal guidelines as well and individual interpretations of the wordings for each of these guidelines. I understand the whole concept of a wiki, and that is what a wiki is, but i don't know how to get my foot in the door when there are millions of trivial articles written about people from white/european descent, but so little on korean americans.


 * I also think it's sad that the only one who was sort of willing to help my cause was one wiki person named "ginsengbomb", which I hate to say..but i think it was obvious why it was that way.


 * Also, in spite of how frustrated i am by all this, i would still like to thank you for editing the references on dr. kim's page. I also re-added the yahoo link that you removed because it was dead. I believe i did not complete the url, which was why it became inactive in the first place.


 * Lastly, I do admire what Wikipedian volunteers do, so please don't think I am getting mad that you guys are checking for validity and reliability, so much as I am just really really frustrated because I am not sure how I can win when it seems like everyone is against me. I am trying to figure out how to make the article okay, but I can't seem to do anything right with it and the articles I put up..some people say it's okay to use korean ones while others want me to go get them translated. I am not sure where to go though because even the translation will vary and that could also fall under scrutiny.People bios (talk) 04:47, 8 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you for editing Dr. Kenneth K. Kim's references list again. I am getting the Yahoo one translated by the same people Cunard (talk) sent the others to, which was to  and . Could you please let me know what else I need to do to get the COI tag removed from his page without getting it placed back up again, because I read on the COI page that this would be extremely embarrassing for the person that the article was written about and now I feel horrible about writing it in the first place....People bios (talk) 05:07, 8 July 2010 (UTC)


 * As far as the COI goes, it depends on the extent of the business relationship; however, as I pointed out you indicated you owned an image of the article subject. Clearly a COI situation.


 * I am not sure what there is to be offended about, but you seem to imply there is some sort of prejudice involved. Unless you have specific evidence of such behavior I suggest you always assume  good faith when reviewing edits or editor behavior.  I have no idea why ginsengbomb is helpful other than he/she is a helpful person.


 * Learning the Wikipedia ropes can be difficult and sometimes it can be overwhelming and frustrating. Hang in there and keep trying, there are plenty of people out there that can give you a hand.  My best to you...   ttonyb  (talk) 05:18, 8 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi, "I am not sure what there is to be offended about, but you seem to imply there is some sort of prejudice involved." I apologize but I am just extremely frustrated. I will admit, a lot of my frustration has nothing to do with the prejudice I am fabricating from the wikipedia community, but I am just trying to figure out why I can't get anything right these days...
 * I realize that there are a lot of things on Wikipedia that need to be figured out, but it's hard to have faith in the community when you're being attacked on so many different angles or when it feels like they don't have faith in you. I realize there were a lot of errors in the article, but I was honest to God trying my BEST to do it right the first time, and I went over it REPEATEDLY HUNDREDS of times to try and make it as accurate as possible and I was still trying to add more to it but it seemed to just get shot down before I even had a chance. I realize NOW that this is why they want you to have people edit it for you, but I did have people edit it, I just didn't realize that the Wikipedia community was different from this. I realize now people mean on here by "promotion", but I really did try my best to keep a neutral tone, and it is really difficult to try and extract information in this manner from going to an English to Korean to an English translator. Also, many of these Korean articles are written in a respectful tone, that would come off in English translation as biased or promotional - when it's not. Yet, when I try to give the translation, it just seems like they think it's an ad that was paid for by Dr. Kim, when it was not. I know this because my mom works for the newspaper...


 * Despite how it may seem, my Korean is actually very poor, but I do want more Korean American figures for the community. I am second generation Korean American, and I wish people understood how it felt to grow up without anyone that was also sort of second generation Korean American to look up to. It's like you can't accomplish anything significant because you keep thinking that those people don't exist and they don't exist for a REASON. Yet, you grow up with parents who expect all these great things from you and who are NEVER happy with anything that you do. It's ridiculous. It's like they want you to go and swim across an ocean, but nobody is there to show you how. It's just like..."hey, jump in, figure it out..." and then that's it... Blah I'm sorry I am going off on this I'm just ugh... —Preceding unsigned comment added by People bios (talk • contribs) 08:11, 8 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi, I just wanted to let you know, in case you didn't... CaliforniaAliBaba, a user, reviewed the articles on Dr. Kim's page and did some level of translation on them. He also explained the validity of the articles that were used, including the one that said "Beverly Hills Girls Impressed", which was from The Korea Herald. I was wondering if you were still voting "delete" for Dr. Kim's article, despite these recent changes. If so, then I understand, but if not, could you please change your vote. Either way, thank you for everything I have learned a lot through this experience (way more than I thought I would). People bios (talk) 10:25, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

actually a plus for me
I think I can take the vandalism replacement of the TKAM quote with my name, as a compliment... strange choice for them, really. VQuakr (talk) 05:26, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Not the first time I have been called that. Odd vandalism (or lack of vandalism) to be called gay regardless of the term used...my best to you.  ttonyb  (talk) 05:34, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Regards! VQuakr (talk) 05:41, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Cryobanks India International
Hi, Need to talk about deletion of my page...cryobanks India International. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dheeruyadav (talk • contribs) 15:31, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, what would you like to talk about?  ttonyb  (talk) 15:59, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Prop deletion of The Financial Mango Tree
Can you please go ahead and delete the page right away, i will create one as soon as i have more information including verifiable news sources.

thanks Spk100 (talk) 06:08, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Vote
My apologies; mis-aligned the tildes and thought you were a voter rather than the proposing editor. My mistake. Stalwart111 (talk) 06:58, 14 July 2010 (UTC) (Feel free to delete this note - just a quick apology)

July 2010
Hi, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. It appears that you recently tried to give Donnis a different title by copying its content and pasting either the same content, or an edited version of it, into another page with a different name. This is known as a "cut and paste move", and it is undesirable because it splits the page history, which is needed for attribution and various other purposes. Instead, the software used by Wikipedia has a feature that allows pages to be moved to a new title together with their edit history.

In most cases, once your account is four days old and has ten edits, you should be able to move an article yourself using the "Move" tab at the top of the page. This both preserves the page history intact and automatically creates a redirect from the old title to the new. If you cannot perform a particular page move yourself this way (e.g. because a page already exists at the target title), please follow the instructions at requested moves to have it moved by someone else. Also, if there are any other pages that you moved by copying and pasting, even if it was a long time ago, please list them at Cut and paste move repair holding pen. Thank you. Tikiwont (talk) 09:06, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * If you had looked at the history, you would have noted that someone created both articles and had the text in Donnis (rapper) with a redirect in Donnis. I was trying to reverse that and a move would not work under those circumstances. Thanks...  ttonyb  (talk) 15:07, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Deleted text
I don't know what happened.You have repeatedly deleted my posts.I fell very angry! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ken173324 (talk • contribs) 11:17, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but you have to be more specific than that for me to comment. What article are you talking about?  ttonyb (talk) 15:07, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Gaurav1024
FYI, I had already warned them about their personal attack here. I would hope that a warning from an administrator that they were not in conflict with and who wasn't the target of the personal attack would count for more than the warning threatening instant blocking from the target of the attack. Would you care to self revert? Be assured that I'm watching their contributions, but I don't see your warning as working to deflate the situation. Thanks for reading. Syrthiss (talk) 15:08, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, as I got your message I had just noted that mine was a duplicate warning. My best to you.   ttonyb  (talk) 15:12, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Cool deal, thanks :) Syrthiss (talk) 15:13, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Donnis once more
Hi, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. It appears that you recently tried to give Donnis a different title by copying its content and pasting either the same content, or an edited version of it, into another page with a different name. This is known as a "cut and paste move", and it is undesirable because it splits the page history, which is needed for attribution and various other purposes. Instead, the software used by Wikipedia has a feature that allows pages to be moved to a new title together with their edit history.

In most cases, once your account is four days old and has ten edits, you should be able to move an article yourself using the "Move" tab at the top of the page. This both preserves the page history intact and automatically creates a redirect from the old title to the new. If you cannot perform a particular page move yourself this way (e.g. because a page already exists at the target title), please follow the instructions at requested moves to have it moved by someone else. Also, if there are any other pages that you moved by copying and pasting, even if it was a long time ago, please list them at Cut and paste move repair holding pen. Thank you. Tikiwont (talk) 09:06, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * If you had looked at the history, you would have noted that someone created both articles and had the text in Donnis (rapper) with a redirect in Donnis. I was trying to reverse that and a move would not work under those circumstances. Thanks...  ttonyb  (talk) 15:07, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry to raise this once more but I did of course check the edit history, however should have linked above to Donnis (rapper). The (now deleted) edits at Dennis were:
 * (diff) 04:40, 2010 July 14 . . Ttonyb1 (talk | contribs | block) (4,402 bytes)  (Copyedits)
 * (diff) 19:36, 2010 July 13 . . Dgessese (talk | contribs | block) (29 bytes)  (←Redirected page to Donnis (rapper))
 * (diff) 07:08, 2010 April 25 . . HipHopStan (talk | contribs | block) (33 bytes)  (←Redirected page to Fool's Gold Records)


 * Which means indeed that Dgessese created an article at Donnis (rapper) and changed the previous redirect at Donnis to point there. At this point there was one article and one redirect with edit history. As you notice and as above links explain, in such a case a move to Donnis is not possible without first deleting the target and this is exactly what I did after I found your tag. What you did, howver, was copying and pasting the content and reversing the redirect where the edit summary is also misleading nor was it appropriate to tag the remaining redirect at Donnis (rapper) for speedy deletion as that would have obliterated the edit history and actually those listed above would have remained the only edits listed attributing the major expansion to you instead of Dgessese.
 * It is really important that you take that in, tag next time in similar cases the blocked target with db-move and reflect a moment if there other such copy and paste moves that would need fixing. Thanks--Tikiwont (talk) 19:34, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Gotcha and thanks for the explanation.  ttonyb  (talk) 19:41, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Daniel Costello (actor)
This is my first time creating.

The article for Atomic Twister was pointing to the wrong Daniel Costello. "Daniel Rae Costello (born 1961 in Suva[1]"

So there was not page created for the right Daniel Costello who was born in 1988 and is an actor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Canadaguy1982 (talk • contribs) 04:58, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

inre Articles for deletion/Saad Adam
Per my improvements to the film article  The Lives of Mount Druitt Youth, might you consider a redirect of Saad Adam to the film article as an acceptable option?  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 06:15, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Agree, "vote" changed. BTW - Nice work on the article.   ttonyb  (talk) 06:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I just hope that the author will stay away, so we can avoid any more COI.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 06:56, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Deleting Nathan Anthony Carter
please undelete my page, I understand that one link to Wizard does not have a link yet, which I can take off until one is made by adding a new url page for it, but for now, why else would I have my page deleted. I am certifiably under national distribution with the company Eagle One Media and therefore am creating a page for myself. please undelete my page and give me a hand where you see incorrect information, rather then speedily deleting it. would you like to me to verify with you that any information is in fact correct? Thanks, Movingon55283 (talk) 04:07, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Shopper Discounts & Rewards
Hi Ttonyb1, what should I do to resolve your tags on Shopper Discounts & Rewards —Preceding unsigned comment added by Beefheart36 (talk • contribs) 20:32, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I have made a couple of very small change to the format. In addition after reviewing the references, I removed the NPOV tag.  My best to you.   ttonyb  (talk) 20:39, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Removal of CSD on Salil Bhatt
I removed your CSD on this article because a google search returns numerous results for this artist, including results published by 3rd parties. In addition, the coverage seems to be suitable, from what I've seen, to meet notability requirements. If you believe that the article does not meet the criteria for inclusion, I would suggest nominating the article on AfD for a more thorough discussion. ialsoagree (talk) 18:24, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the message.  ttonyb  (talk) 18:27, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Yonathan Garfias
Hello Ttonyb1, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Yonathan Garfias, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The article makes a credible assertion of importance or significance, sufficient to pass A7. You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. Theleftorium (talk) 18:45, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the message. <span style="font-weight:bold; color:blue; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> ttonyb (talk) 19:11, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Drumsing
I have just (and I repeat, just) started this page, which is all of a few minutes old. At least let me put references in before putting a speedy deletion tag on it! I thank you.--andreasegde (talk) 05:29, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

BTW, if you check my contributions, you will find that I am not a novice editor... :) --andreasegde (talk) 05:30, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Done... my best to you. <span style="font-weight:bold; color:blue; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> ttonyb  (talk)


 * Thanks. :) if you look at the page now, you will see it's been improved a lot, and will be in the near future. Any chance of removing those tags? (Fingers crossed...) --andreasegde (talk) 07:51, 20 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I thank thee kindly. :) --andreasegde (talk) 19:47, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Deleted page
you state the page i created called Darcy Macpherson is an attack when really it is a praise for someone in my community who has been through much hardships and deserves to be recognized, i hope you reconsider putting his page back up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Supermanbrown (talk • contribs) 17:21, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion converted to PROD: Infinite Realities Theory
Hello Ttonyb1. I am just letting you know that I have converted the speedy deletion tag that you placed on Infinite Realities Theory to a proposed deletion tag, because I do not believe CSD applies to the page in question - it's OR, certainly, but not really a test page. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 10:59, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the message. <span style="font-weight:bold; color:blue; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> ttonyb  (talk) 15:16, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

2010
Hi. I see you reverted my edits as "local events". However, I have read through the inclusion policy for the events and none of them are local; all have international significance. First, I updated the death toll of Tropical Storm Agatha, which was already included on the list. The 2010 South China floods are not local: they have killed close to 600 people, affected about 70 million in China, and affect more than one country as floods are also occurring in nearby Vietnam, Japan and the Philippines, but this is not mentioned in the article which is about the floods in China. On the same entry, I included a link to 2010 China drought and dust storms. This is also internationally significant, as the drought upstream in Yunnan early on affected countries downstream of the Red River and the Mekong: Thailand, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia; drought due to El Nino simultaneously hit the Philippines and Indonesia. Also, the dust storms from this event spread dust to North America, although this specifically is a common occurrence. The 2010 Northern Hemisphere summer heat wave is effectively global, as the title suggests, although the article is in bad shape. This is probably even more international and far-reaching than the winter storms last winter that hit Europe and North America and were mentioned on WP:ITN several times, though it may not have caused as many deaths. However, as mentioned nine countries set national all-time temperature records, which is significant by itself. This heat wave is akin to spreading the 2003 European heat wave around the globe. I was also going to add, by the way, that June is the fourth consecutive warmest month on record (and the 304th year warmer than average consecutively), but all my edits were reverted by then. Asia also set its all-time temperature record in Pakistan during the heat wave. Cyclone Phet, meanwhile, affected at least three countries, whereas Agatha affected five.

Maybe Hurricane Alex should also be included: 51 dead, 22 missing, affecting seven countries, causing deaths in four; the storm also broke many records, including the first June hurricane since 1995, and the second most intense June hurricane ever recorded in the Atlantic. Afterwards, I added information on the efforts to stem the Deepwater Horizon oil spill, but that was again reverted. The oil spill itself was mentioned, but even a "temporary" fix should probably be mentioned as well, as it could be the first major step to stopping the flow of oil. The announcement made by NASA in March that 2010 could be the warmest year on record could be notable, or is this too local as only an agency in the United States said this? Should these events be moved to the individual month articles and the main article kept status quo unless through siginificant discussion, or should the recent years page be revised somehow? Please explain and discuss these reversions, and which items could potentially be included, or whether they instead belong on their respective month and/or country articles. Thanks. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 19:49, 21 July 2010 (UTC)


 * From WP:RY#Disasters, assasinations, and other crimes : "Disasters of a global or near-global significance may be added. The importance of these disasters can be demonstrated through various international news sources. High death counts do not necessarily merit inclusion into the article. Likewise, assassinations or other similarly serious crimes can be listed if international relevance is demonstrated. Events such as suicide-murders, kidnappings, school shootings, etc. do not necessarily qualify unless especially significant."
 * Most of the items I added meet the bolded criteria (most even pass the three-continent test). Please discuss why those items specifically were removed and what deviations, if any, from the standard guidelines are in effect currently. Thanks. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 21:51, 21 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't see how the disaster is of, "global or near-global significance".  The weather events might be somewhat global in nature (although I don't see that they are), but I do not see how a disaster specific to a local area is global. <span style="font-weight:bold; color:blue; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> ttonyb  (talk) 22:16, 21 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I will have to wait until tomorrow EDT prior to commenting again, as I lost the 12 sentences, eight internal links, nineteen external links, and a list of items I was going to save here to a computerfreeze/Internetcrash. I was testing out the three continent rule on my additions and suggested natural/human disasters, and it verified for all items (if you count Panama and the US, the UAE and India as being on separate "continents", and that a news source with a reporter in one country working for an agency in another country can be counted as being from either country) except the NASA announcement on global warming and the previously occurring winter storms (formerly at winter storms of 2009-2010), for which I needed a total of five more external links. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 01:07, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Discussion on whether or not the opening paragraph of 200x articles should have an in-line citation pointing to a useful and valid reference.
I have started a discussion here, and I look forward to reading your reasons of why you think the 200x articles should not be properly referenced. Mantes (talk) 20:47, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion for Appovation page
The page has now been removed from speedy deletion list by another editor. Thanks Isabeldacosta (talk) 20:18, 22 July 2010 (UTC)Isabel

Thanks
Thanks so much for your help. MikeRay (talk) 05:11, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Alexander DeLuca
Hi, I noticed that after trying hard to source Alexander DeLuca, you finally gave up and PRODed it. Well, if it's any consolation, I went through all the same motions, but you beat me to it. The book - there isn't an article on it - would most probably fail WP:NBOOK, while the self made publishing company that self published the book, would also fail on several counts. That leaves us with Alexander, a nice kid on the block who wrote a book, printed it himself, and got a few local write ups. Another nice person comes along and also tries to find some sources. But those sources are still no more WP:RS than the others. I think we have to go for AfD. --Kudpung (talk) 15:21, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Harvest (time tracking software)
Was just about to PROD it myself. Looks like a good call. Bsherr (talk) 05:35, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Lone Survivor Foundation
I see the info on the ranch and the Boots Girls was removed from the LSF page. If I were to just write about each of those, in my own words, would that be okay? I'm trying to not get flagged for copyright material again. It really was unintentional - as I am working with LSF and was given that information to include. Thanks for you time!
 * Yes, rewriting in your own words would work; however, keep in mind that a slight reformulation would not be enough. It cannot resemble the original works in the slightest.  By best to you.  <span style="font-weight:bold; color:blue; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> ttonyb  (talk) 05:26, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

I will do that! Thanks so much! The president of the foundation is saying they will give permission for it to be used, but it might be faster/easier to just write descripton of the ranch.

I have added a paragraph under the Boots Girls section of the LSF page. I am trying to learn how to use reflinks to clean up the page. Thanks for all of your help and hope to have all of these issues resolved shortly.

Harvest (time tracking software)
Hi Ttonyb1, I added 2 references that detail Harvest in a notable and specific manner. Please let me know how else the page can be improved.

Harvest (time tracking software)
Thank you for cleaning up the links section. I wasn't sure how to use Reflinks, but now I do :)

Lewis Earl Little brief article -- request for advice about another article on TEW
Dear ttonyb, Thank you for your thoughtful consideration of my comments written on the "Discussion" section of the Lewis_Earl_Little article. I understand what you say and agree to the deletion of this biography of Lewis Earl Little. However, before I sign off completely, I want to ask your advice. I may, at some future date, submit to Wikipedia a short essay on the theory in question (Theory of Elementary Waves or TEW), which will present even more complex problems than this biography has. There are unique editorial issues. The world could be thought of as composed of three kinds of people: 1. those who consider themselves too dumb to understand quantum mechanics and therefore defer to the experts; 2. the experts who apparently react to TEW with utter contempt; and 3. educated people who have arrived at the conclusion that the quantum emperor is wearing no clothes, and who are waiting for a viable alternative theory. When either I or Lewis Little submit scholarly articles on TEW to leading science journals we run into the second group. Sometimes our articles are rejected with obscenities written on the manuscript, sometimes with comments like, "This isn't science," or "This is preposterous." A carefully written scientific article submitted recently to the journal Science, never even got to reviewers -- a junior editor rejected it in less than 15 minutes, saying "Not the kind of thing we publish." The third group of people are excited about TEW. They recognize that TEW is a radical theory, but since the quantum emperor is wearing no clothes, they are interested in alternative perspectives. They recognize that there is more experimental evidence supporting TEW than there is supporting quantum mechanics. Prominent among the second group of people are the quantum physics editors of Wikipedia, one of whom has written elsewhere that TEW is a "crackpot" theory. I anticipate that any future Wikipedia article on TEW will be rapidly deleted because: A. There are so few publications in scientific journals supporting it, and B. Because the Wikipedia "experts" on this subject are known to be biased against TEW. Furthermore, if Wikipedia wants me to insert "meaningful links" into other Wikipedia articles, referring to the proposed TEW Wikipedia article, this will be difficult because almost all the quantum mechanics articles on QM are "locked" against further editing. One is allowed to read the HTML source code, but not allowed to edit it. Do you have any advice you can tell me, either here, or in a less public forum such as sending me an email? -- I believe you have my email address. Is there anywhere you can direct me to read about Wikipedia rules, policies and procedures concerning such an article in theoretical physics? For example, is such a theory likely to be ruled to be too insignificant to gain publication in Wikipedia, much as Lewis Earl Little has? Again, thank you for your even handed and fair consideration of my biography of Lewis Earl Little. I agree to its deletion. Cordially,69.182.72.84 (talk) 23:16, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: David Geister (actor)
Hello Ttonyb1. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of David Geister (actor), a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Article claims importance/significance of the subject. Thank you.  So Why  09:36, 30 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I have moved it to an AfD discussion. <span style="font-weight:bold; color:blue; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> ttonyb  (talk) 15:40, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Ken Zaretzky
Ttonyb1, Ken Zaretzky is one of the most famous adhd coaches in the world (google him, you'll see) He is one of the founders of his field. His has written books and spoken all over the world. What can I do to make this article comply? If anyone in the helping professions belongs here he does. Please help me because I don't know what it is your looking for. I have added citings to him and to organizations he has created. All links to video or sound files are used with permission. Help me please? Clutz8672 (talk) 00:17, 31 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi, Clutz8672, the article fails to meet the criteria in WP:BIO using reliable sources.  Just because an individual has some Google hits (in this case 157 - not that many), it does not mean that individual meets Wikipedia criteria for inclusion.  Take a look at the sections I mentioned and let me know if you have any questions.  <span style="font-weight:bold; color:blue; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> ttonyb  (talk) 00:22, 31 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Ttonyb1, the man is referred to as a giant in his field. I have cited two organizations he founded as references. I think if you googled Ken Zaretzky, MCC you might find a couple thousand more hits. He really is referred to as a giant in his field. and has saved hundreds of peoples lives quite literally. I have lots of questions. But all of them revolve around how do I get a very famous, very accomplished, very great man into wikipedia? I'd love some help. I promise you that I am not the only one, or one of a hundred or even one of a thousand who would believe he belongs here. So please let me know how I need to write this, structure this or whatever so it will pass muster. Some of the "stars" who are in wikipedia are clients of his. research him a bit and you will surely agree he belongs here. Just please tell me how to make that happen. Clutz8672 (talk) 00:17, 31 July 2010 (UTC)


 * "Any biography Shortcut: WP:ANYBIO


 * 1. The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for one several times.
 * 2. The person has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in his or her specific field."


 * Ttonyb1, Ken Zaretzky is the founder of BOTH organizations in his field. He wrote the book on developing a practice in his field. He has written countless articles and papers and given hundreds of talks in his field. Has recieved a number of awards in his field. According to what I read above he clearly qualifies to be in wikipedia. Clutz8672 (talk) 02:11, 31 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, there is nothing in the article that supports your assertions. <span style="font-weight:bold; color:blue; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> ttonyb  (talk) 02:16, 31 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Ttonyb1, read the references. On the adhdcoaches.org website he is referred to as the co founder. On the paaccoaches.org website he is referred to as a founding board member. listen to the radio shows that are referenced. So you need the library of congress number for his book? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Clutz8672 (talk • contribs) 03:22, 31 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, i forgot to sign the last one. I could also post some MP3's of his speeches. Would that help? Clutz8672 (talk) 03:28, 31 July 2010 (UTC)


 * The coverage has to "non-trivial" in nature and meet the requirements in reliable sources. I have read the references and they do not meet the Wikipedia criteria to support notability.  The book appears to be a self-published book that also appears fails the Wikipedia criteria notabilty for books. <span style="font-weight:bold; color:blue; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> ttonyb  (talk) 06:45, 31 July 2010 (UTC)


 * That book has sold over 20000 copies. It takes less than that to get on the New York Times Best Sellers List and it was published by a publishing Company. Ttonyb1, I think it would serve you well to stop making assumptions.Clutz8672 (talk) 14:17, 31 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Let's try to keep this conversation on a civil level and not be patronizing. I noted that it appears to  be self-published and appears to fail the criteria in WP:NOTBOOK.  You have not provided any proof otherwise, only a comment attacking me.  I suggest you read WP:AGF and WP:CIVIL.  Now, has the book reached a position on any best seller list such as the York Times Best Sellers List?  Has it achieved any awards?  Has it accumulated any "non-trivial" coverage?  How does it meet the criteria in WP:NOTBOOK. <span style="font-weight:bold; color:blue; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> ttonyb  (talk) 15:37, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Ken Zaretzky
I'm sorry that you perceived that as an attack. It really wasn't. I only suggested that you were making assumptions. Really not an attack. The book sold over 20000 copies in a market niche that is miniscule (ie: life coaches). I am not saying that Mr Zaretzky is noteble because he was president of the united states or because he was in the beatles. He is notable because he is dominant in HIS field (Life Coaches and more specifically ADHD coaches). Clutz8672 (talk) 22:07, 31 July 2010 (UTC)


 * My apologies for reading your comments incorrectly. Although no excuse, like e-mail, online text is hard to gauge intent and I failed.  Thank you for your apology.


 * I understand the frustration of Wikipedia and it's notability guidelines. What is the most frustrating is that Wikipedia notability as defined in WP:BIO or WP:NOTBOOK is not the same as "real-world" notability.  The statements in an article don't even have to be the truth, but they have to be verifiable. If you can show notability via the notability guidelines, then the article will not be deleted.  Even more frustrating is the fact that if you can show the book as notable that may not support the notability of the individual per Wikipedia guidelines.  Again,  thanks for the apology. <span style="font-weight:bold; color:blue; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> ttonyb  (talk) 23:15, 31 July 2010 (UTC)