User talk:Ttremper

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 * Please don't write articles for non-notable albums. As far as can be established from the band's article, these are self-released. They haven't charted for all I know, and no references are provided to show that they are independently notable (the band itself is only barely notable, given the lack of references to reliable sources in their article). Please see Notability (music). Thank you. Drmies (talk) 16:13, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

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This band can't chart by the nature of the music, but he is approaching a million downloads with haste, and you just burned all that info?
 * Charting is only one way of achieving notability (and I don't see why they couldn't chart somewhere sometime). More important here is the first sentence of the relevant section of the document I pointed you to: "All articles on albums, singles or songs must meet the basic criteria at the notability guidelines, with significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." Find the sources, and notability will be established. Sorry, but that's how Wikipedia works. If it can be independently verified that millions of copies are downloaded, good--but the band's own word is not good enough. Hope this helps. BTW, no information is "burned"--it's all still there in the history (just click on "View history"). Good luck. Drmies (talk) 17:02, 10 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Old version is right here. However, all info has to be verifable. Please, see WP:VRS and the notability guidelines for songs.  Chzz  ► 17:20, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

This group won't ever sell their music, and thus I don't think they will be able to chart. But I can still look for articles that reference the band/album that are not related to the band? Once I have some validity that the album is popular it can have a more specific album link? I could not find the old texts from the deleted pages but I rewrote it and saved it. Thanks for being nice


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 * For any article, the requirement is 'significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject'.


 * As a rule of thumb, that is something like three or more newspaper articles about the subject - with the subject in the article title in the newspaper. That applies for an article about a song, an album, a band or absolutely anything. The general notability guideline.


 * So note, as the link says, References that are about the subject - it is in the title or chapter heading. Not passing mentions.. "articles that reference the band/album that are not related to the band" sounds like passing mentions.


 * If there is not such coverage for this specific band/song/whatever, then Wikipedia is not the right place for it; see WP:ALTOUT. Best,  Chzz  ► 17:30, 10 August 2010 (UTC)


 * If you click on "View history" you see a list of revisions. Clicking on the time and date will give you that particular version, and with "edit" you can copy that information. It's a bit cumbersome if you're not used to it, but it goes to show that (almost) nothing on Wikipedia is ever list. (Imagine the servers necessary to keep all that info...) Personally, I think the best investment of your time is on the band's article, cause that needs help. Start with something like this search, on Google News, but keep in mind that not everything you find there counts as a reliable source--this, for instance, would be useful to you for one of those albums but it's a blog, and those don't usually count (see WP:RS). Some are better than others--that Green Shoelace one isn't so bad (though I would never use it), and this one, from Consequence of Sound, is probably reliable enough (it has its own wiki article...). You can also look at the archives, like this. And follow the model of other decent articles on bands (same for albums, too), keep it neutral, and that will be time well spent. Good luck; drop me a line if I can give a hand (with references, citing, whatever). Drmies (talk) 17:34, 10 August 2010 (UTC)