User talk:Tuchler

Martin Zielke
Thank you for creating a Wikipedia article about Martin Zielke. We have just made some minor changes and hope you are fine with it. Please let us know if there is anything else we can do to improve the Wikipedia article. -- Oliver at Commerzbank (talk) 12:24, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Conflict of interest in Wikipedia
Hi Tuchler. I spend time working on conflict of interest issues here in Wikipedia, along with my regular editing, which is mostly about health and medicine. I am not an administrator. Your edits to date look like digital marketing or PR on behalf of German businesspeople.

Lots of people come to Wikipedia with some sort of conflict of interest and are not aware of how the editing community defines and manages conflict of interest. I'm giving you notice of our Conflict of Interest guideline and Terms of Use, and will have some comments and requests for you below.

Hello, Tuchler. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a COI may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:


 * avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, company, organization or competitors;
 * propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles (see the request edit template);
 * disclose your COI when discussing affected articles (see WP:DISCLOSE);
 * avoid linking to your organization's website in other articles (see WP:SPAM);
 * do your best to comply with Wikipedia's content policies.

In addition, you must disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation (see WP:PAID).

Also please note that editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you.

Comments and requests
Wikipedia is a widely-used reference work and managing conflict of interest is essential for ensuring the integrity of Wikipedia and retaining the public's trust in it. Unmanaged conflicts of interest can also lead to people behaving in ways that violate our behavioral policies and cause disruption in the normal editing process. Managing conflict of interest well, also protects conflicted editors themselves - please see WP:Wikipedia is in the real world, and Conflict-of-interest editing on Wikipedia for some guidance and stories about people who have brought bad press upon themselves through unmanaged conflict of interest editing.

As in academia, COI is managed here in two steps - disclosure and a form of peer review. Please note that there is no bar to being part of the Wikipedia community if you want to be involved in articles where you have a conflict of interest; there are just some things we ask you to do (and if you are paid, some things you need to do).

Disclosure is the most important, and first, step. While I am not asking you to disclose your identity (anonymity is strictly protecting by our WP:OUTING policy) would you please disclose if you have some connection with subjects about whom you have edited, directly or through a third party (e.g. a PR agency or the like)? You can answer how ever you wish (giving personally identifying information or not), but if there is a connection, please disclose it, and if you are editing for pay or the expectation of being paid, you must disclose that. After you respond (and you can just reply below), if it is relevant I can walk you through how the "peer review" part happens and then, if you like, I can provide you with some more general orientation as to how this place works. Please reply here, just below, to keep the discussion in one place. Thanks! Jytdog (talk) 12:45, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Mandatory paid editing disclosure
Hello Tuchler. The nature of your edits gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic, and that you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being compensated by a person, group, company or organization to use Wikipedia to promote their interests. Undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially egregious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a "black hat" practice akin to Black hat SEO.

Paid advocates are very strongly discouraged from direct article editing, and should instead propose changes on the talk page of the article in question if an article exists, and if it does not, from attempting to write an article at all. At best, any proposed article creation should be submitted through the articles for creation process, rather than directly.

Regardless, if you are receiving or expect to receive compensation for your edits, broadly construed, you are  required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:Tuchler. The template Paid can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form:. If I am mistaken – you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits – please state that in response to this message. Otherwise, please provide the required disclosure. In either case, please do not edit further until you answer this message. Jytdog (talk) 16:17, 7 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Hello Jytdog, your assumption is not true, I did not edit the articles out of financial interests or for marketing as you wrote above. I became an editor while searching for additional personal information on important, previous and current, managers of major German stock companies. I found out that many of them had only small English articles in comparison to the German articles. So I began to translate missing content into English. Just read the German articles and you will see that I translated them. Some of the German articles had references which did not work or needed more references and I searched for new references too. When I found new information during my search I wrote additional content. When I saw managers, who were mentioned at companies' articles and had no own articles, I created new articles for such managers with translations or new content in my sandbox and published them.--Tuchler (talk) 19:04, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your note. Would you please explain the coordination with the representative of Commerzbank? In case you are not aware, there is a place for conflicted or paid editing in Wikipedia, but there is a procedure for this.Jytdog (talk) 19:16, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello Jytdog! Thanks for taking a closer look at the contributions of Tuchler. We have absolutely no relationship and just stepped in when we saw the Martin Zielke article arriving on our watchlist. As some of the biographical details were wrong or at least misleading, I did a quick update. (I am aware of request edit and other best practices, but I still hope in that particular case it was acceptable.) If you have any further questions, please let me know. Thanks again, -- Oliver at Commerzbank (talk) 06:53, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
 * It was not acceptable but we can deal with that on your talk page. Given how severely you misrepresented this edit, I cannot trust your claim of no relationship. You have complicated the situation here. Jytdog (talk) 13:34, 10 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Hello Jytdog, I did not coordinate anything with a representative of Commerzbank. I just translated the German article of Zielke and added new information like I did with other German managers before. Then the editor Oliver of Commerzbank changed the article in favour of his employer and violated rules. And now he even wrote on my page. I don't know if that was ok or allowed. But as you said, it complicated the situation. I just can repeat that I don't know Oliver or any other person from Commerzbank. This is also true for the companies of the other German managers I edited. What can I do?--Tuchler (talk) 20:29, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Translating pages and attribution
Hello again. If you are translating pages from another wiki, I suggest also using the Translated page template on its talk page. Even if not necessarily a translation, when material is borrowed from another article or location, it's important to attribute where (which was not always done (including for Draft:Martin Zielke), I see that you sometimes did like here, which is good practice. Even just a mention in the edit summary helps.  See WP:COPYWITHIN for further information.

As for conflict of interest, I myself found interesting that multiple BLPs about business people were created. It's also possible that the German encyclopedia is not as strict as the English one in relation to promotion and notability, or not as well patrolled, resulting in this situation when translating articles. This still does not explain why pages about multiple people related to that particular bank were created. — Paleo Neonate  – 03:44, 12 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Hello PaleoNeonate, nice to meet you and thank you for your advice on the Translated page template. Also the paragraph on translations from other language Wikimedia projects at WP:COPYWITHIN was very helpful. Thanks again.


 * You said, that you found interesting that I created several articles on German business people. If you check their companies you will find out that they all belong to the DAX index of the 30 major German companies. In the German Wikipedia every CEO and chairman of a DAX company has an article. It is the same for the companies of the major US index Dow Jones Industrial Average, except Visa, UnitedHealth Group and Chevron.


 * With most of my edits I worked on people named in the box at the top of a company article when their articles were small or missing: at United Internet it was Ralp Dommermuth (my first edit), at Deutsche Post it were Melanie Kreis and Wolf von Schimmelmann, at BMW it was Harald Krüger, at Fresenius it was Stephan Sturm, at Bayer AG it were Werner Bauman and Werner Wenning, at Commerzbank it were Martin Zielke and Stefan Schmittmann. My next page is on the CEO named in the box of Wirecard, the German bank which will replace the Commerzbank in the DAX index. The only exception was Kurt Bock, former CEO of BASF, who resigned in May 2018. At the end of July there were some discussions related to Bock in the German national press on the mandatory cooling-off period for resigning DAX-CEOs, which have to wait for two years before they can become board chairman of the company. Here I took notice of Bock.


 * Just read companies' articles and you will find all the names in their boxes. The existing content of the boxes determined my edits. I did not coordinate them with anyone, I simply followed the names that I found.--Tuchler (talk) 18:36, 12 September 2018 (UTC)


 * I was asked to look at these. I agree the articles are of good quality and the people notable. (tho it is possible that some English readers will not be aware of German corporate titles for the CEO). You writing here is skillful, and you know the enWP style, so it is likely that you have edited WP under some other name. If so, you would do well to declare it, especially if you have edited in this field here or on the deWP. Our rules for COI are interpreted much more strictly than they are at deWP, so at the least you should disclose any other usernames confidentially to arbcom, which will protect you against incorrect sockpuppet accusations.  DGG ( talk ) 19:05, 29 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Hello DGG, nice to meet you and thank you for your positive feedback on my work. Most of it are translations and always I try to use language similar to other articles because English is not my native language. And I want to learn more things like finding new references, Templates for translations and infoboxes, categories, sort pages by default or today the Flickr photos. I haven't edited in this field here under some other name and I did not work on German articles, too.--Tuchler (talk) 23:17, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

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