User talk:Tufail.jan

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January 2019
Hello, I'm Mstrojny. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions to Muhsin ibn Ali have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Help Desk. Thanks. Mstrojny (talk) 18:50, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

Let's discuss
How can it be highlighted as a majority belief, since majority of historians and Muslims believe it an alleged on hazrat Umer, just mention in brackets that it is according to shite belief Tufail.jan (talk) 18:53, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi Tufail.jan, statements must be substantiated by citing a reliable source. Please see the guidance in the Welcome message.  Also it might be a good idea to start a conversation on Talk:Muhsin ibn Ali to obtain consensus from other editors for the change you want to make. S0091 (talk) 19:10, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

It would also help if you learned the difference between Shiite and shite. Sumanuil (talk) 22:03, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

Warning on edit warring on Muhsin ibn Ali's Page
Hello, I have noticed your recent edits on Muhsin ibn Ali's page, where you keep trying to include some text in the introduction. This has been reverted my multiple editors (including myself) recently, and thus your edits violate WP:CONSENSUS. As a result, if you want your addition to be included on the page, then please utilize the talk page instead of continuing to edit war. Snowsky Mountain (talk) 12:41, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
 * You appear to be engaged in an edit war at Muhsin ibn Ali. This can get you blocked from editing.  7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 15:04, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

The difference in belief
The page I edit regarding Muhsin ibn Ali, that he was attacked by umar is totally wrong as per sunni Muslims, so it is firmly believed to be allegedly towards Hazrat Umar by Shia ideology. So I am just mentioning that Tufail.jan (talk) 13:18, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
 * The page already includes Sunni references. Snowsky Mountain (talk) 14:55, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Discussion about your edits
Hello, this is just to inform you that there is a discussion about your edits on Muhsin ibn Ali's page on the Administrator's Noticeboards: Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents.
 * Just to let you know, the discussion about your edits has been updated. Snowsky Mountain (talk) 21:30, 6 February 2019 (UTC)


 * I'm coming here from the ANI discussion involving your edits to the Muhsin ibn Ali. I just wanted to talk to you and make sure that you know about Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy. It mandates that we must write all articles and content in a manner that's worded to reflect a completely neutral viewpoint. It cannot contain opinions, commentary, beliefs or what you perceive to be true, or any other non-neutral points of view or biased content. Please take some time and review this policy and make sure that you understand it. You're expected to obey and comply with this policy with each edit that you make to the article namespace and to any, every, and all articles on Wikipedia. I should also mention that I understand that you're new here and that you're not yet familiar or proficient with Wikipedia's policies yet. Since you're brand new to Wikipedia, I highly recommend that you go through and complete Wikipedia's new user tutorial before you make any edits or take on any major tasks around here. It will provide you with many helpful walkthroughs, guides, interactive lessons, and other information that will be very helpful to you. Most users who take this advice and complete the tutorial tell me later that it was significantly helpful to them and saved them hours of time and frustration they would've experienced otherwise. Please let me know if you have any questions or need help with anything, and I'll be more than happy to assist you. Thank you for understanding; hopefully we won't have to discuss the matter again. Please take my recommendation to heart and give the tutorial a go. :-) Best -  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   02:22, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

The difference of belief
It should not be taken in a personal ways, the continuation of edits from my side is to make realize that the worth of truth vs hype. How can a minority belief of Shais can overshadow the majority sunni Muslims and the major historions. The attack alleged towards Hazrat Umar is being made look real by Shai ideology. Tufail.jan (talk) 16:46, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
 * That doesn't help, Tufail.jan. It will only serve to make you sound less believable. Imagine a Wikipedia where editors accept it that people edit the articles until that what they percieve to be The Truth is in the article.

We have guidelines to how an article should be handled in a case like this:WP:DUE comes into mind. However, you might be able to do something. Read WP:DUE carefully, and include a visit to what reliable sources are; then check back. Either the article is in good shape according to WP:DUE... or not. If it is not in a good shape(which your comments suggest) go to the talk page of the article and show us the reliable sources that you found - both those that support what you want to insert, and those that do not. If no one reacts, try doing it yourself again, and say in the comments("see the talk page for editing reason"). Either someone disagrees and then you talk it out in the talk page, or the edit or edits are accepted. Note for the future - you can initially edit a page, but when someone disagrees you should talk it out on the talk page.Lurking shadow (talk) 21:14, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

@Tufail.jan, there are already references on that page from Sunni sources. If you want to continue discussing this further, then, as others have said, please use the talk page instead of continuing to edit war. Snowsky Mountain (talk) 01:47, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

February 2019
Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. You appear to be repeatedly reverting or undoing other editors' contributions at Muhsin ibn Ali. Although this may seem necessary to protect your preferred version of a page, on Wikipedia this is known as "edit warring" and is usually seen as obstructing the normal editing process, as it often creates animosity between editors. Instead of reverting, please discuss the situation with the editor(s) involved and try to reach a consensus on the talk page.

If editors continue to revert to their preferred version they are likely to be blocked from editing Wikipedia. This isn't done to punish an editor, but to prevent the disruption caused by edit warring. In particular, editors should be aware of the three-revert rule, which says that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Edit warring on Wikipedia is not acceptable in any amount, and violating the three-revert rule is very likely to lead to a block. Thank you.  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   12:44, 7 February 2019 (UTC)


 * I have just reverted your edit again. I reverted initially because the edit included a spelling mistake, which I was reluctant to correct (and thereby endorse the edit) without sources to back up the statement. I now realise that you have been warned by Oshwah about repeatedly reinstating this edit without consensus. Please realise that you cannot just keep adding this statement to the article without consensus - you will be reverted, and you may have your editing privileges withdrawn for the disruption. Thanks Girth Summit  (blether)  18:26, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at Muhsin ibn Ali, you may be blocked from editing.  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   03:00, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
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