User talk:TurboC63s

November 2023
] Hello, I'm That Tired Tarantula. Welcome to Wikipedia. I'd like to notify you that your recent contribution to Ma'ruf was reverted; this reversion was not due to having anything against Muslims or the religion of Islam; instead, the reversion was done because Wikipedia articles must be written with a neutral point of view, and your edit did not correspond with that. Here are some more pages about Wikipedia guidelines and procedures that might be useful: Feel free to ask me any questions about basic editing on my talk page (I am only saying basic editing because I have only a moderate amount of knowledge on Wikipedia's guidelines due to the limited amount of time in which I have been an editor; you can get more help with more advanced editing concepts, guidelines, and procedures by viewing pages in the complete Manual of Style and by asking editors questions at the Teahouse or the Help desk—note that the Teahouse is mainly designed and recommended for new editors). I hope that helps! That Tired Tarantula (talk) 05:29, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
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 * Hello That Tired Tarantula,
 * I understand the need to have a neutral point of view, but it's factually incorrect to refer to Prophet Muhammad as just Muhammand just as it is factually incorrect to refer to the President of the USA as just Joe Biden. By stripping Prophet Muhammad of his religious title and calling it a neutral point of view, you're also stripping the POTUS of his title of "President", which is factually incorrect and not a neutral point of view.  Moreover, by stripping Prophet Muhammad of his religious title, you are insulting 1.8 Billion Muslims around the world;  I will respectfully request that do not insult one of the most prominent religious figures in Islam by incorrectly referring to him.  Just as I'm sure you would respectfully correct non-Americans in how to properly refer to the President of the United States, I'm respectfully requesting that you do the same when referring to Islamic figures.
 * If Wikipedia continues to insult Islamic figures in this manner, I will have no choice but to file a formal complaint and disseminate this egregious act across social media.
 * Lastly, it is not possible to insult or incorrectly refer to Islamic figures without "having anything against Muslims or the religion of Islam"; by not acknowledging and accepting being corrected in this manner, you are indeed demonstrating a degree of ignorance or intolerance towards the religion of Islam.
 * Thank you. TurboC63s (talk) 06:20, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Actually, there is a difference. The President of the United States is an official title that can be confirmed by any reliable source with writing or data on the President of the United States. However, the three Abrahamic religions all have different viewpoints over who is and isn't a prophet of the Judeo-Christian god, while people following religions such as Hinduism and Buddhism, and people who have no religious affiliation, would just say that he isn't a prophet. Therefore, Muhammad only is a prophet in Islam, meaning that whether or not he's a prophet is subjective, so if you believe that he should be recognized as a prophet, please just write that he is considered to be a prophet in Islam, instead of calling him a prophet in general, since that would not correlate with the views of (and potentially even offend) some members of other religions. Again, I intend no offense to the religion of Islam or its members. That Tired Tarantula (talk) 06:49, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * You're referring to the Declaration of Independence, dated 1776 AD, when acknowledging & accepting the official title of The President of the United States, correct?
 * I'm referring to the Quran, dated 610-632 AD, which references many Prophets, including Prophet Jesus and Prophet Muhammad. Regardless of the fact that there are 3 different sects/interpretations of Islam, there is only a single Quran, in which over 1.8 Billion people around the world acknowledge & accept as the true religion.  Within Islam, there is no debate over Prophet Muhammad being the last Prophet and is accepted as the human entity that was chosen by God to convey his message.
 * We arrive at a troublesome intersection here, as by not referring to Prophet Muhammad by his correct title given to him by God, over 1.8 Billion people are grievously insulted in order to avoid potentially offending other religious & non religious affliations that may or may not eve believe in Islamic values or Prophet Muhammad. This is unsustainable.  Just as insulting a Jewish religous value would make you an anti-semite and that being widely accepted in the West, I challenge you to explain the double standard on why it is okay to insult Islamic religious values. TurboC63s (talk) 03:15, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Actually, I'm referring to the United States Constitution, which is a legal document proven to outline the governmental system of the United States. Sure, the Quran is considered to be true to Muslims, but to people in other religions, it is not. As a matter of fact, flat-out calling Muhammad a prophet in general in an article could offend Jewish and Christian people, since they do not consider him to be a legitimate prophet of God. So if you have a major problem with him not being called a prophet on that Wikipedia article, then as I said earlier, please just mention that he is considered to be a prophet in Islam instead of in general to maintain neutrality while still acknowledging his religious significance for Muslims. Yet again, I intend no offense to Islam. Thank you. That Tired Tarantula (talk) 03:33, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Okay, I saw your most recent edit on Ma'ruf; it's better! However, someone still reverted it; I think that's because it said "widely," and didn't specify that it was in Islam. So please try to remove the word "widely" and make sure to specify. Thank you. That Tired Tarantula (talk) 03:52, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia, and thank you for your contributions. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, please note that there is a Manual of Style that should be followed to maintain a consistent, encyclopedic appearance. Deviating from this style, as you did in Ma'ruf, disturbs uniformity among articles and may cause readability or accessibility problems. Please take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Materialscientist (talk) 06:23, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Your recent editing history at Ma'ruf shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war; read about how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing&mdash;especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring&mdash;even if you do not violate the three-revert rule&mdash;should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.Muhammad's status within Islam is covered on his article; readers can find this out by clicking on the link, so there's no need to include it in the Ma'ruf article. —C.Fred (talk) 06:27, 20 November 2023 (UTC)