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You have been blocked from editing for a period of 24 hours for your disruption caused by edit warring and violation of the three-revert rule&#32;at Iraqi Turkmens. During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. If you would like to be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the text below this notice, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. Magog the Ogre (talk) 09:25, 14 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Can I point out what a really bad idea it is to return to edit warring immediately after being blocked? By all means please quit it. Magog the Ogre (talk) 01:09, 18 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I just went back and looked and you edit warred more since I placed my message on the page. I've blocked you for 96 hours. Please consider in the future making use of WP:3O rather than ramming your point of view through by edit warring. Magog the Ogre (talk) 14:19, 18 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi Magog the Ogre, to be honest I never actually saw these messages, nor do I remember reverting 3 times, when I was editing the article. You must have messaged me afterwards or I have just forgotten those events. Anyway, have a good day.  Turco  85 ( Talk ) 15:58, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Iraqi Turkmens
Please seek a consensus on your proposed changes to the article on Iraqi Turkmens, using the talk page. Your proposed changes are controversial.--Toddy1 (talk) 14:47, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I would rather both sets of information be placed in the article until we seek a final agreement on this issue. I do not see why only User:Tavio's sources should be used when clearly there are sources which also claim that the community speak Turkish. At least this way we are less likely to keep reverting eachothers edits.  Turco  85 ( Talk ) 14:54, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

You have done three reverts to the article on Iraqi Turkmens in 24 hours. If you make another revert to this article, you are likely to be blocked again. (See Three-revert rule.) --Toddy1 (talk) 10:34, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
 * 02:54, 18 December 2011 Undid revision 466449137 by Taivo (talk) before removing sentences please show in the discussion page why you think that the paragraph is POV pushing. Your views do not= facts
 * 01:53, 18 December 2011 I will not allow for this article to go back into the poor condition it was made into by a bunch of sock puppets.
 * 14:49, 17 December 2011 Undid revision 466340221 by Toddy1 (talk) and I think it's unacceptable that you are removing these sources. At least my edit has BOTH sets of information... rather than a one-sided view.


 * It looks as though you and Taivo were starting to cooperate, and I thought the new block was rather harsh. I unblocked Taivo after he agreed to my terms. Are you willing to abide by them as well? That would mean leaving the Iraqi Turkmens article alone for the 96 hours you would have been blocked, and thereafter following WP:1RR & WP:BOLD on that article when dealing with Taivo or Toddy1. — kwami (talk) 05:49, 20 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes I would agree to that. Would I still be allowed to discuss the issue on the discussion page though? Turco  85 ( Talk ) 14:33, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I think the point was to "cool off". I'm willing to walk away until Thursday or Friday and not even discuss it.  There are admins now who will be watching like hawks for any sign of "heat" and Magog has shown he'll block on the slightest thing.  It's probably best that we just wait and not give any reason whatsoever for them to pounce again.  I suggest that we don't even look at this until Friday (just to give an extra day of calm).  And remember the principles that we're constrained under (WP:BRD and WP:1RR):  It's best not to edit in the article at all until we've discussed and agreed on the Talk Page first.  --Taivo (talk) 14:49, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, that seems fine by me. I'll stay away from the article till friday. Hopefully things will be better by then. Thanks for your message.  Turco  85 ( Talk ) 15:56, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Good. You're unblocked.
 * One of the things that left a sour taste in my mouth was that you accuse those who disagree with you of being sockpuppets. It would seem that you are so sure that you have WP:Truth that you think anyone who disagrees with you must be part of some sort of conspiracy. That is not a healthy attitude for an editor, and will only get you blocked again. See WP:goodfaith. I've had heated disagreements with Taivo, but he is a good editor, he knows what he is doing, and he's not out to sabotage anything or disparage anyone. Nationalism, ethnic pride, and language are a volatile mix, and what people believe about their language—whether it's Irish, Croatian, Kurdish, Urdu, Malay, or Chinese—often has little to do with reality. The national language of India, so-called Hindi, for example, is actually Urdu, but tell that to most "Hindi" speakers and they'll freak out. Likewise, Urdu is one of several Hindi languages, but tell that to most Urdu speakers and they'll freak out. When people's identities are at stake, they want reality to conform to them, not vice versa, but we can't allow such subjective claims to decide an article. The Zhuang, for example, traditionally claim their language is a dialect of Chinese, but it isn't even in the same language family as Chinese. I know nothing about Iraqi Turkmen, but if they claim their language is Turkish, it doesn't mean that it actually is Turkish.
 * As for your other question, talk pages are excluded from blocks unless you've gotten really nasty (personal attacks, threats of violence, etc.) or are filling them up with masses of irrelevancies, in which case you'll be told that specifically. But a cooling off period is often a good idea. I know I need one sometimes. — kwami (talk) 00:51, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I couldn't edit talk pages on my block. --Taivo (talk) 03:39, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Oversight, or intentional? — kwami (talk)
 * kwami, if you look back at the history of the Iraqi Turkmens article you would see that a user by the name of User:Ledenierhomme has created various accounts in order to push their political views, they have gone by the following names:
 * User:MamRostam03
 * User:NahlaHussain2008
 * User:KakaSur
 * User:OmarKhayyam
 * Other sock puppets have included:
 * User:Izzedine, so excuse me for being a little conscious about User:Taivo. I realised that Taivo was a genuine user once they started to discuss the issue with me, however, it was mainly due to the fact that Taivo was reverting the article to the version which the sock puppet created which made me a little suspicious; nonetheless, I did not actually report Taivo as a possible s.p. User:Ledenierhomme (whoever they may really be) has been creating accounts and disrupting the article for over a year now. I recently took the article to mediation (see Mediation Cabal/Cases/08 November 2011/Iraqi Turkmens) however, the mediation ended because the other user was again a sock puppet of the same person. Thus, what I'm trying to say is that I'm not this person that you are trying to picture-out, one which to quote you, is "so sure that you have WP:Truth that you think anyone who disagrees with you must be part of some sort of conspiracy". It would be great if you look at the history of the article and try to understand my view as well, a bit of WP:goodfaith right? Also I would like to state that though my user name come across as nationalistic, I have changed a lot in the last 3 years thanks to Wikipedia, my views are not what they used to be... I'm not interested in politics, just demographics. Turco  85 ( Talk ) 14:51, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

It's a relief to learn there really were sockpuppets. I also understand how frustrating it is to deal with such people: I've had my share. At this point, I suggest you make the changes you want as a test edit (you can post a Under construction tag at the top, so no-one jumps on you), revert yourself, link to the diff from the talk page, and ask Taivo if he has any objections to them. (Or, if there aren't too many, you can always just use the talk page as usual.) Any points he does not object to you can then make permanent without worrying about being accused of edit warring, and with the sockpuppets blocked, you should hopefully be able to work out any remaining differences without the frustration of the past. Taivo might do the same with the things he wants changed. I know I made some changes after you, but I was mostly trying to clean up the article, as it had grown incoherent. I don't expect you to run any changes by me: if you can agree with each other, then we're probably good to go. — kwami (talk) 20:02, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

I would be grateful if you would read the comments that an editor has placed on the talk page of this article, and respond to them at Talk:Iraqi_Turkmens.--Toddy1 (talk) 10:50, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

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Can you find more information and sources about Turks (and Meskhetian Turks) living in Azerbaijan for the Turks in Azerbaijan article?
Can you find more information and sources about Turks (and Meskhetian Turks) living in Azerbaijan for the Turks in Azerbaijan article?

The reason is that some sections are not specific to Turkish (and Meskhetian Turkish) communities in Azerbaijan, but are about the general situation of Meskhetian Turks.

And there is little information about Turkish citizens living in Azerbaijan (apart from their numbers) and very little about Turks from Turkey who permanently settled in Azerbaijan and have become Azerbaijani citizens.

And also important to note that in Azerbaijan, no distinction is being made in population statistics and censuses between Meskhetian Turks and Turks from Turkey who have become Azerbaijani citizens – which is another problem, not to mention the gradual assimilation of Turks into Azerbaijani language and culture and their classification as only Azerbaijanis as well.

The Turkish community in Azerbaijan is a bit more diverse but specific information and sources about them are hard to find.

Thank you.

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 * I'll do my best. Turco  85 ( Talk ) 14:40, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

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You should open an wp:spi on twatfofs and resolve the issue. Toddst1 (talk) 03:16, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'll do that. Unfortunately I'm beginning to think that this issue will never be resolve. This user is clearly delusional, they keep saying that they don't see x or y in the cited sources even though it is clearly written in black and white. they then manipulate the sources, it’s clearly the same user for about a year now and I am tired of it...  Turco  85 ( Talk ) 03:25, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Nicely done. Thank you. Toddst1 (talk) 16:33, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

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A tag has been placed on Turks in the Middle East requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a very short article providing little or no context to the reader. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

If you think that the page was nominated in error, contest the nomination by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion" in the speedy deletion tag. Doing so will take you to the talk page where you can explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but do not hesitate to add information that is consistent with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, you can contact one of these administrators to request that the administrator userfy the page or email a copy to you.  Turco  85 ( Talk ) 15:30, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Note, although I created this article, I am requesting it's deletion! It was just an alternative to Turks in Asia which did not make any sense at all. There is now an new article: Turks in the Arab world which is more appropiate. Turco  85 ( Talk ) 15:32, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Turks in the Middle East
Hello Turco85, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Turks in the Middle East, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Is not an article so A1 does not apply here. You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. &mdash; foxj 15:33, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, thank you. I'll try find the appropiate method. Turco  85 ( Talk ) 15:34, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

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Turks in Algeria
Hi.

Could you please quote the Turkish sources you have listed that cite the figures of "600,000 to 2,000,000" Turkish people living in Algeria?

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GAYousefSaanei (talk) 23:40, 12 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Here is the quote:
 * And here is a weblink to the report, in case you cannot access it from the the Embassy's website:  Turco  85 ( Talk ) 02:36, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * And here is a weblink to the report, in case you cannot access it from the the Embassy's website:  Turco  85 ( Talk ) 02:36, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * And here is a weblink to the report, in case you cannot access it from the the Embassy's website:  Turco  85 ( Talk ) 02:36, 14 March 2012 (UTC)


 * You think that is an appropriate source for such a serious, seemingly incredible piece of information? Moreover, this perhaps highlights the problem of interpretation I mentioned before. It says "of Turkish descent", without specifying part or full Turkish descent. For example, many millions of Americans claim Irish descent, but it's hardly appropriate to refer to the worldwide population of "Irish People" as over 100,000,000 because of "descent" claimed in the USA, Australia, Canada, Argentina, etc. I'd encourage you to take a second look at 1) some of your sources; and 2) the way you are interpreting them. Thanks. GAYousefSaanei (talk) 08:30, 15 March 2012 (UTC)


 * And I encourage you to stop trying to tell me what sources are acceptable. You have not shown any sources that state otherwise, if you find it then by all means show them to me. As for your example of Irish people, I have no idea what point you are trying to make, especiallt since that article does indeed state descendants. Turco  85 ( Talk ) 12:58, 15 March 2012 (UTC)


 * OK, well either you're having trouble reading or you are deliberately obfuscating the facts for nefarious purposes. I would like to assume the former. Your "Turkish People" figures for Algeria does not state "descent", as the "Irish people" article clearly does. Kindly make the requisite changes or I will. Thankyou. GAYousefSaanei (talk) 19:52, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Clearly you are another one of User:Ledenierhomme's countless accounts. I will not waste anymore of my time. Turco  85 ( Talk ) 20:13, 16 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Ah.... what? GAYousefSaanei (talk) 21:18, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * He means that you are a sockpuppet.  Uhlan  talk  23:48, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

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Hi there Turco85,iyi gunler. I logged on to Wikipedia today and realized that I was a suspect of "sockpuppets of Ledenierhomme"?I really don't know what that means and the fact that I only sign in to Wikipedia once a while and edit is that I edit what I see wrong and I think the evidence doesn't support it well and I am not a sockpuppet of anyone as I honestly don't even know what that means.I am TURKISH and I live in the United States.(Isterseniz Turkce olarakta anlatabilirim fakat ortada gercekten yanlis bir anlasilma oldu heralde,lutfen bunu duzeltirseniz cok sevinirim,cok saskina dondum,bilsem hic edit filan yapmazdim yok sockpuppet yok bimenmne.Tesekkurler)I hope you'd realize that this is a misunderstanding and I also have no affiliation to any other accounts as this is the only account I have in Wikipedia.If you can fix it I'll be really happy! Thanks a lot Regards Tommymert — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tommymert (talk • contribs) 13:55, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Tommymert, the reason why I placed that template was because there is a user by the name of "User:Ledenierhomme" who constntly creates new accounts and tries to manipulate statistical information regarding Turks, they have recently done this with Iraqi Turkmens and Turks in Algeria, when I saw that you also edited these articles I was suspicious. I have removed the template from your userpage. I really do hope that you are not User:Ledenierhomme. Happy editing!  Turco  85 ( Talk ) 14:02, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

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Hi, Isabelle Adjani has no Turkish ancestry contrary to what you wrote. You quoted a very old article from 1976 from an unknown Greek journalist when Adjani was almost unknown.
 * First, read her biography "Isabelle Adjani: la tentation sublime", Michel David, 2008 : "Son père Mohammed Cherif Adjani est Kabyle...."
 * But the most important is that interview with Adjani herself in 2009 where she clearly says her father was Kabyle : « Mon père, kabyle, s'était engagé dans l'armée française à 16 ans, et c'est en remontant d'Italie jusqu'en Bavière à la fin de la seconde guerre mondiale qu'il rencontre et séduit ma mère » Interview with Isabelle Adjani, Télérama, March 2009 90.36.152.68 (talk) 08:31, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I have no problem with showing that she has Kabyle descent, but there is also sufficent sources which also state her Turkish origins. Turco  85 ( Talk ) 09:28, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

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Hi. I just saw your messages in talk page. And I respect your ideas. Im new in Wikipedia and trying to learn how things working here. If I wrote something wrong Im sorry. Also I have to tell that I'm Cypriot (Turkish Cypriot). Thanks. (Ghuzz (talk) 15:34, 7 October 2012 (UTC)) I just saw another point in your messages and I need to add one thing. Im not a sockpuppet or something. It would be nice if we dont label people when they think different then us. Im a Turkish Cypriot who still lives in island and inside my own culture. And Im just trying to edit one article which I have enough knowledge and source about. And If you also try to be more constructive it would be nicer. Thanks again (Ghuzz (talk) 15:43, 7 October 2012 (UTC))
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Please do not remove sections without proper explanation. Your giant deletion is nonsensical, and certainly lacks a proper explanation. You are right that the article is not about Turkey, it is about Turkish ethnicity. However, ethnicity is not just language. Genetic studies show that modern Turks are primarily of indigenous Anatolian ancestry, even though the language is Central Asian. Mexican people article does not just talk about Spain and Spanish. Cavann (talk) 19:15, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
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 * 2) It does not make sense to have a section called "Anatolians" above the ancient era and Seljuks era because the Turks were not in Anatolia prior to the Seljuks period. Turco  85 ( Talk ) 18:29, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Basically, if you can find sources which show that many of today's modern Turks are the decedents of earlier Anatolian people, which I'm sure there probably is, place it in chronologically within the history section. Turco  85 ( Talk ) 18:35, 24 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Now I'm suspecting you are acting in bad faith cause there were bunch of citations there. Eg: "Yardumian, A., & Schurr, T. G. (2011). Who Are the Anatolian Turks?. Anthropology & Archeology Of Eurasia, 50(1), 6-42. doi:10.2753/AAE1061-1959500101". 2nd eg: Hodoğlugil, U., & Mahley, R. W. (2012). Turkish Population Structure and Genetic Ancestry Reveal Relatedness among Eurasian Populations. Annals Of Human Genetics, 76(2), 128-141. doi:10.1111/j.1469-1809.2011.00701.x . Are you vandalising? Cavann (talk) 21:09, 24 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Also Anatolians are part of Turks. I do not understand what part of that you cannot comprehend? Maybe you should read the cited sources before deleting them. Cavann (talk) 21:14, 24 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Those genetic studies are based on people of Turkey rather than people who identify themselves as ethnic Turkish people i.e. those studies do not look at all Turks (such as Bulgarian Turks, Turkish Cypriots, Meskheitan Turks etc.). Furthermore, this has already been debated on the talk page of the article. Nonetheless I have placed the following sentences in the origins section which should be sufficent enough:
 * ". In 1071, the Seljuk Turks defeated the Byzantines at the Battle of Manzikert; the Turkish language and Islam were introduced to Anatolia (present day Turkey) and gradually spread over the region and the slow transition from a predominantly Christian and Greek-speaking Anatolia to a predominantly Muslim and Turkish-speaking one was underway.[89][90] In the time of the Ottoman Empire, the Turkish-speaking Anatolian population had spread throughout the Balkans, Cyprus, North Africa, and the Middle East, and remnants of these Turkish minorities still exists. Today the ethnic Turks have a mixed heritage; they are the descendents of not only Turkic migrants from Central Asia but also descendants of peoples whose ancestors were the Hittites, Phrygians, Lydians or other early peoples of Anatolia." Turco  85 ( Talk ) 21:18, 24 October 2012 (UTC)


 * And the articles I cited say that, while Turks have a mixed heritage, the primary component is indigenous Anatolian. It is called language replacement. Mexican people are also primarily of indigenous American ancestry, yet they speak Spanish and are catholic. Cavann (talk) 21:33, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

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I have reverted your recent edits. This edit was not simply a move as you deleted several K worth of content. Your next edit was not explained at all. On controversial articles, you will need to be specific and accurate in your edit summaries. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  12:39, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
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 * I normally edit in short and save pages regularly as in the past I have often spent hours on an edit then accidentally lost it all by closing a tab on my web browser. I'm annoyed at how you have kept placing me onto an "edit conflict" page, thus again losing everything I had written up. You could have waited a few moments to see what my intentions were. I'm better off writing everything up on Word first and then placing it on wikipedia then as I would be very annoyed if all my hours spent got lost trhough another edit conflict.  Turco  85 ( Talk ) 13:23, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
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