User talk:TurokSwe/Archive 1

Some advice
Hello, TurokSwe. Instead of getting into an extensive WP:Edit war with an editor who is committing WP:Vandalism or other WP:Disruptive editing, as you did with User:GORIZARD, report the editor at Administrator intervention against vandalism or request page protection at Requests for page protection after warning the editor. You don't need to warn the editor several times.

Also, if you need a Welcome template to better help you familiarize yourself with Wikipedia, just let me know here on your talk page and I'll provide you with one. Flyer22 (talk) 10:19, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I see here that you did report GORIZARD at the Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism; seems that, despite being a fairly newly registered editor, you're familiar with some aspects such as that already.


 * Anyway, take care. Flyer22 (talk) 10:26, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

American Godzilla
You should please stop adding false information about the American Godzilla (or officially, Zilla) and providing links to your own, biased Wiki. I won't remove any "American Godzilla" links or renaming the page to what it officially is known as (Zilla). I am warning you. You can add all the false information in the world on your own Wikia Wiki, but you cannot add it on a site that people will actually visit and believe in. Do not keep this behaviour going on, or there will be consequences. 108.214.32.91 (talk) 21:44, 10 April 2013 (UTC)


 * What I'm writing on the "American Godzilla" article is what can be verified. The supposed name change to Zilla is nothing more than a myth caused by misinterpretations by fans. I'm trying to give people the verifiable truth that so many fans wants to ignore. I havent done anything wrong, my friend, so don't try to threaten me. Unlike many dissatisfied fans I'm not vandalizing, I'm accepting and giving you all the truth you want to cover up for others. TurokSwe 09:15, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

American Godzilla 2
The only person in the entire world that thinks the Zilla name change is a myth is you (unless you have a few friends in real life who you've convinced as well). There are absolutely no sources that say it is a myth other than your biased Wiki. If it was true, don't you think better sources for Godzilla information like Toho Kingdom would list it? Don't you think that the ground-breaking fact that Toho actually let the American Godzilla be called so? A photo of a logo on a DVD re-release in 2006 that TriStar was too lazy to change does not count as fact -- you are just assuming, and assuming is not factual. Many thousands of people call GINO "American Godzilla", but at least they know the fact is that he has been officially renamed ZILLA™ by Toho. And no, Zilla is not a childish mockery of the American Godzilla. Why would Toho waste money in trademarking Zilla and saying in GMK that the Americans believed that it was GODZILLA® when it wasn't? Don't those two things count as enough proof that Zilla ≠ Godzilla? Zilla is the official name, and that is the fact, proven by Toho themselves in Final Wars and in GMK. You know man, I'm really sorry if I sound angry. Please just leave the page alone, please. Just don't revert the facts, you'll be doing all the American Godzilla fans, including me, a favor. Thank you for reading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.214.32.91 (talk) 22:16, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Megalania
You edits there are disruptive, and need to stop. Consensus is clear, and further discussion is just wheel spinning. --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:10, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually, on reflection, I should be clearer: do not make any substantive edits to this article until you have consensus for them on the talk page. i.e. don't be "bold", gain consensus first. Failure to do so will result in a 1 week block. --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:16, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Warning!
This is a warning. Please, stop vandalizing the content from the page Zilla! 66.26.66.25 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:21, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Now you're being ridiculous. You can't give me a warning for reverting the content into your vandalism (I'm sorry if you feel insulted by this word). The content you're providing is unsourced and highly questionable and your edits can easily be seen as vandalism, not only according to me. For the record, the page is named American Godzilla, and not "Zilla" as you'd want it to be according to your opinion. TurokSwe 23:29, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Unblock request

 * You've been blocked in the past for 'edit warring'. Could you explain what you understand by 'edit warring', and how you would avoid getting into an edit war in future? PhilKnight (talk) 07:29, 24 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Yes, of course! I was engaging in an edit war with another user and what I did was that I constantly reverted the user's contributions back to my own version, and this went on without any of us coming to a consensus, exceeding also this limit of a 3-revert maximum. Evidently I did not fully understand or fully care about this issue or the rule at the time, although I do now (time brings experience and knowledge), and I won't try to get into any edit wars in the future at all, if another user have a problem with my edits, I'll discuss it with him/her. If any other problem would arise, I'll contact an admin wherever I may find one, or I may just leave the article alone altogether instead of making a big deal out of it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TurokSwe (talk • contribs)


 * That's a reasonable answer, however I suggest you have a look at Resolving Disputes. PhilKnight (talk) 09:39, 24 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Thank you, I'll have that article in mind and use as reference/advice if ever an issue of the sort would arise!

Baby Godzilla on Godzilla franchise page
I must ask that you stop reverting the old edit to your current edit on the Godzilla (franchise) page. We have yet to make a consensus so there should be no reason for you to jump the gun else where. I've once again reverted your edit back to the way it was before you even touched it on August 24, 2014, before this minor controversy began. According to WP:DRNC, you cannot make an edit because there is no consensus yet. Please, be patient. Armegon (talk) 18:59, 7 September 2014 (UTC)


 * I have not reverted any edits, I was merely removing the link to the Zilla (Toho) article seeing as that article doesn't cover TriStar's Baby Godzilla. I also do think you're overreacting, I thought it would seem pretty clear that I do not care much whether or not TriStar's Baby Godzilla is mentioned on the Godzilla Junior article or not, so please calm down! TurokSwe (talk) 19:05, 7 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Undoing an edit is reverting an edit. We still have yet to reach a proper consensus. The Zilla article does indeed cover the Baby Godzilla but in the form of the incarnation from Godzilla: The Series. Please, I must once again refer you to the guidelines of WP:DRNC. Armegon (talk) 19:17, 7 September 2014 (UTC)


 * A consensus has already been reached, my friend. TurokSwe (talk) 19:21, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
 * It has now, yes, but we should be good sports and wait for the other users thoughts. I've brought this situation to the Junior page now whether we should link the Baby Godzilla with the Zilla (Toho) article and discuss notable mention, etc. Armegon (talk) 19:26, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

MUTOs plural form
We should discuss this little issue between us whether the creatures should be MUTO or MUTOs in the American productions section of the Godzilla franchise page. I say it should be MUTOs. There is more than one MUTO and they are referenced as MUTOs when mentioned in general or as a whole quite a few times in the movie. Plus, the section it is listed under says Monster co-star(s). If we put simply just MUTO, readers will assume the section is only referencing one monster. Since there is two, we must list them under the way the film references them as a whole, as MUTOs. The only reference them as MUTO when mentioned individually. Armegon (talk) 17:16, 14 September 2014 (UTC)


 * It is interesting how such a small edit can be taken so seriously. There are (among some examples) several Baby Godzillas in the 1998 American film and several Destoroyahs in the 1995 Toho film aswell, but just because there were a multiple number of the same creature present in the film doesn't necessarily mean we should denote them under the pluralis-term. The section says "Monster co-star(s)", yes, but that doesn't necessarily mean we should type the same character (as MUTO, Baby Godzilla, Destoroyah, Kamacuras, Meganula et.al.) in plural-form, that can mean merely several different characters (such as Destoroyah, MUTO, Baby Godzilla etc.). Not the amount of individuals that one character consists of. TurokSwe (talk) 17:49, 14 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Yes but the thing about the MUTOs that separates them from the creatures you listed is that the characters in the film actually reference them as MUTOs when referencing them as a whole. It'd be different if they simply stuck with just plain MUTO the whole time but they do reference them as MUTOs at many points. The reason why Destoroyah or the Baby Zillas from 1998 aren't given the plural term is because they are never reference that way in their respected films. It would make sense if we list them as MUTOs because it implies there's more than one. Additionally, you said that... just because there were a multiple number of the same creature present in the film doesn't necessarily mean we should denote them under the pluralis-term, now that may apply to a character like Destoroyah but it doesn't apply to the MUTOs because they weren't the same creatures. They were a part of the same species but they were different characters, one was Winged and small and the other was 8-legged and much larger. MUTOs distinguishes them, implicating there is more than one and that they differ from each other. If they were the exact same character, like Destoroyah, then just simply MUTO would make sense. Armegon (talk) 05:57, 15 September 2014 (UTC)


 * "They were a part of the same species but they were different characters", it appears you're trying to make the same case as I was with the 1998 Baby Godzilla earlier. It doesn't matter how many individuals of the same character were present in the film, whether it be two, ten, two hundred or just one individual, (unlike Godzilla '98 and the Baby Godzilla) MUTO still represents merely one single character (just as Godzilla '98 and Zilla Jr. represents the same character, despite not being the same individual in-universe), it doesn't matter whether it was expressed in plural- or singular form in the film. MUTO really is no exception (the MUTO article on here isn't listed as "MUTOs" either and that's really how it should stay to make sure we're talking about a specific creature/character, no matter the amount of individuals). I still think this is being taken a bit too seriously. TurokSwe (talk) 06:44, 15 September 2014 (UTC)


 * But you see, we're not talking about 1998 and its characters, it's a totally separate issue from the MUTOs. Additionally, it is an essential matter how many characters, especially when they're separate characters and distinguishable by design, are featured in a film. The MUTOs are not even officially published as single characters, the Female is published as the 8-legged MUTO and the male as the Winged MUTO. This is because they are not one fully single character, they are separate characters distinguished by their genders & designs. You can't really say it doesn't matter whether it was expressed in plural- or singular form in the film, you're just brushing the facts aside to justify your argument as the contender, despite the absolute fact the film clearly references them as MUTOs more than once. Additionally, the MUTO article not just covers the creatures identified as MUTOs but the acronym itself. Remember, MUTO is a military acronym to reference a creature before it is officially given a name, as was the case in the Godzilla: Awakening comic. Plain MUTO makes sense for the article (because of the acronym the article must cover essentially) but MUTOs makes sense for the monster co-star(s) section because it covers all the monsters featured in the film. MUTO just implies there is only one monster. Also, I reverted your MUTO edit back to the original, MUTOs. It should stay on the original edit before you edited it until an agreement can be reached. Armegon (talk) 19:07, 15 September 2014 (UTC)


 * I am perfectly aware that we're not talking about the creatures from 1998, but they provided a great example for my points, which I'm not sure really sank in. The MUTOs in the film represent different individuals ("characters" can be used as a synonym but one should do so with caution; they may represent different characters in-universe), but they're really two different representatives of the same character, that is "MUTO". Links to Amazon.com for different products featuring the two different individuals are a weak support for the claim that these two (8-Legged MUTO and Flying MUTO) would be registered under two different characters, and if that would be the case, then it probably should be noted in the "Godzilla (franchise)" article as "8-Legged MUTO" and "Flying MUTO" (if they would be different in the same sense that Meganulon and Megaguirus are different). You could make another example with all the variaties of Mechagodzilla; each displaying their own unique design, and each resembling different unrelated (in-universe) "characters", but yet still belonging to the same character, that is "Mechagodzilla". "you're just brushing the facts aside to justify your argument as the contender" Don't get defensive like that, that's merely indication that you cannot support your own argument, but lets not make this personal, keep it a civil and respectful discussion if you so wish to continue. "despite the absolute fact the film clearly references them as MUTOs more than once" it doesn't matter whether characters in the film labels it in singular or plural-form or how many times they do it, singular-form (as in what signifies the specific overall registered character; MUTO) is what should be used. Potential future incarnations of the MUTO might be different or contain more or just one individual, but they're still just one official character (MUTO), despite there being different individuals/variations of the same character and categorized under different titles, they're still the same character (MUTO). Anyway, I'm tired, and if it matters so much to you then please let it stay as "MUTOs". TurokSwe (talk) 23:18, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

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 * I'd like to say that Oaken is indeed a notable character, being praised, remembered and quoted from by the audience to this day. He appears for a few minutes in both the film and the TV-show Once Upon a Time. He has also appeared in books, and it's very likely he may appear once again, and again and again. I will see what I can do to improve the article. TurokSwe (talk) 10:52, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

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AFD nominations
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 * You still need to follow the directions at WP:AFDHOWTO on both those AFDs as they still are not complete. -- GB fan 21:40, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Since you wouldn't fix them and complete all the steps to nominate these articles I have fixed the nomination pages and listed them correctly. -- GB fan 23:35, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

May 2015
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 * Seriously, my behavior is not "disruptive/unconstructive". I simply remove material that lacks reliable references which has only been speculative and never confirmed. If you can't support a sentence, don't keep it. TurokSwe (talk) 11:04, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
 * How is it speculative when the film has already been released? You realise that you're also messing with other edits because of your WP:OWNERSHIP issues.  Your edits have been problematic all along. From not understanding what qualifies as a franchise by our definition and editwarring the hell out of it, to your WP:POINTY AFDs. It seems you have no respect for our guidelines or for our MOS.  You seem to have a history of problematic editing - you don't want to be blocked again, surely?  --Rob Sinden (talk) 11:25, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
 * It is speculative because there hasn't been any reliable sources published to confirm the contents added to the article. My edits aren't problematic just because I keep unsourced material away. You have to provide sources. Threatening with blocking me just because you want to add unsourced or badly sourced material is just bad and low. Get your (reliable) sources first (not IMDb, which can be edited by anyone)TurokSwe (talk) 11:32, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I wasn't threatening anything - I just can't understand your actions. It's not specifically this article where your edits are problematic, but you keep editing against guidelines and our MOS, and then editwarring to your view, not Wikipedia's.  Things like that will get you into trouble.  --Rob Sinden (talk) 11:36, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Uh huh. Problematic according to Wikipedia, or according to you? It's an important question. TurokSwe (talk) 11:38, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Well going against our MOS and guidelines would be problematic by Wikipedia, wouldn't it? Blanking pages because you don't like them, that would be problematic too. --Rob Sinden (talk) 11:46, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't be blanking pages "because I don't like them" as much as because the contents or articles would be unnecessary. TurokSwe (talk) 11:49, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Blanking a page for any reason is problematic. Moreso when it's in reaction to your request for speedy deletion being rejected.  --Rob Sinden (talk) 11:51, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
 * True! TurokSwe (talk) 11:52, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

List of natural horror films
If you are going to add films that are not explicitly of the "natural horror" genre to this list, then you are going to need sources. You cannot claim that The Amazing Spider-man 2 or Harry and the Hendersons are of this genre just because they have a giant lizard or a bigfoot in them. These are not even horror films, so they cannot belong to the natural horror subgenre. Anything controversial and unsourced will be removed. --Rob Sinden (talk) 13:23, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

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 * Please stop with your nonsense that I'm practicing "disruptive editing". If anything, you are using disruptive editing by constantly removing contents without a proper reason. Most/many of the contents on that article are what you call "original research". Basically everyone or anyone who has experienced The Amazing Spider-Man would feel that this film falls within the "natural horror"-category. TurokSwe (talk) 13:48, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Then find some reliable sources to back up this claim, otherwise it's just your opinion, which is WP:OR. --Rob Sinden (talk) 13:55, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I need to find sources for this just as much as I'd need to find sources for other movies like the The Fly, The Little Shop of Horrors, Godzilla, Jurassic Park, King Kong, A Sound of Thunder, Bigfoot, Tremors, Jaws, Lake Placid, Alligator, Planet of the Apes, Anaconda, or the Mega Shark Versus-films for example. You're just being stubborn because of your personal opinion that this film somehow does not include any elements of natural horror, which is ridiculous. The film is full of natural horror (basically every scene that has to do with spiders or the Lizard or references to the Lizard for example). It's not a stereotypical horror movie or the best of horror, but there is plenty of obvious natural horror-elements in the film, and enough to have the audience freaked out and disgusted. Please stop your WP:OR-nonsense. TurokSwe (talk) 14:25, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not saying it doesn't contain any elements, I'm saying it's a bit of a stretch to claim that it is a natural horror film. It's not, it's a superhero film.  If you want to make the claim, you need to substantiate it with a source, otherwise it's just your opinion, which is WP:OR, plain and simple.  --Rob Sinden (talk) 14:35, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
 * It's more of an intended superhero-film turned part superhero-film part natural-horror-film, which can be easily observed by basically anyone who watched the film (the majority that is). It doesn't matter whether you market it as a "comedy" or "adventure" when it is something more or something else. This is just you demanding something from me because of your personal opinions, and Wikipedia is not about personal opinions. The Amazing Spider-Man is a superhero-adventure-film containing the spirit of a scifi-natural-horror-film. It's not an issue. TurokSwe (talk) 15:02, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
 * You've hit the nail on the head: "Wikipedia is not about personal opinions". It is your personal opinion that "The Amazing Spider-Man is a superhero-adventure-film containing the spirit of a scifi-natural-horror-film".  If you want to include it in a list of natural horror films, you need to prove that it is widely accepted as being a natural horror film, otherwise it's your personal opinion and as such WP:OR.  --Rob Sinden (talk) 15:22, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

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Copy and paste moves
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Change Zilla (Toho) to Zilla (TriStar Godzilla)?
You think it's probably time to change the title of the Zilla article from Zilla (Toho) to Zilla (TriStar Godzilla)? It would be more specific in regards to the character and it references both TriStar's Godzilla and Zilla, which those two names are official trademarked names that the character has gone by (which the article emphasizes) and shows that those incarnations are indeed tied together and related. Zilla (Toho) is technically correct but at the same time misleading, it implies that the article is only about the 2004 Zilla and the incarnations that came after. It makes you question "well what about TriStar's Godzilla?" Since Zilla is an incarnation of TriStar's Godzilla, it would make sense to rename the article to "Zilla (TriStar Godzilla)", since the article covers all incarnations. Thoughts? Armegon (talk) 05:03, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I surely agree, and I have already considered bringing that up for discussion. Shall we take it to the community? TurokSwe (talk) 19:08, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

Making major revisions to the Alien (franchise) page
You should probably discuss your ideas to the talk page before making major revisions like that. I'll open a discussion, if you want to chime in, but the logo and DVD issue was already previously discussed so, it kind of seems like you're trying to revert the page to what it was like a year ago. D ARTH B OTTO talk•cont 02:13, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * You did not respond, but instead continued to revert the page back to the content of last year. Therefore, I've reverted your edits, as you need to bring it up in discussion before you make such unilateral decisions like that. That page has had discussions about the structure, infobox, organization and relation to Alien vs Predator for about nine months now. You can't just revert it all without discussing it. D ARTH B OTTO talk•cont 20:16, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Where is the evidence of such discussions? I sure can't find any, and as far as I'm concerned, there should be nothing really problematic about my edits. The box image for the franchise, for starters, is much better represented by a home media collection of films rather than a blurry title that is even assigned to a sequel to Prometheus and not the main Alien series. The crossover films are a series of its own that includes the Aliens and so should be mentioned below the other films. The franchise is also commonly branded as Aliens instead of just Alien, and the creature itself is repeatedly recognized as a "Xenomorph". TurokSwe (talk) 05:14, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Template:Dino Crisis franchise


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 * Hello, this was a mere simple misunderstanding, since the original template didn't work earlier but I was redirected to a "Create template" page instead and I couldn't find the original. TurokSwe (talk) 10:52, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

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Battra

 * The way to contest an AfD outcome is not to edit war to reinstate the article, but to start a discussion at Deletion review. -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 13:28, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I find this very much ridiculous. Battra (and Jet Jaguar for that matter) shouldn't have been deleted/merged in the first place. This is beyond me. It's petty if anything. TurokSwe (talk) 20:48, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Then make these points at the noted venue. Expressing your outrage on your talk page and/or edit warring is not going to be productive. -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 06:22, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh believe me, that's not my intention at all. I merely responded to your comment on my own talk page and I did not intend to engage in any edit wars. TurokSwe (talk) 07:29, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

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Addition of AvP to the Alien (franchise) page
Please do not make unconstructive edits that go against consensus as you did yesterday. It's been three years since the franchise pages were separated and with consensus via discussion, designated as being separate entities. The AvP franchise page already covers those two films so if you want to contribute there, be my guest. The page was semi-protected for the specific reason of avoiding edits such as what you made. D ARTH B OTTO talk • cont 07:02, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Wait, I just noticed that you've had this very same issue in years past and I was gracious enough to point you towards the associated discussion. You need to avoid edit-warring, or else you'll risk getting blocked again. D ARTH B OTTO talk • cont 07:04, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't recall this as ever having been an issue here. The Alien films aren't separate from the AVP films any more than the Predator films are separate from the AVP films, they're just a different story taking place at a different point in time, just as with the Prometheus storyline. TurokSwe (talk) 14:12, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

List of Jurassic Park video games
I don't know if you were aware, but I've previously explained on the article talk page several times that challenged content needs to be reliably sourced. I had also explained my reasoning for the removal of these entries. If you're interested in commenting further, the discussion is here. AJFU (talk) 16:53, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I'll check it out. TurokSwe (talk) 14:13, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

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Sure
as I see you did it in lots of places. SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 13:48, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I have sent my response. - TurokSwe (talk) 13:52, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry, TurokSwe; other editors disagree with you, so you need to respect consensus at this point. D ARTH B OTTO talk • cont 17:40, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * No consensus has been definitively reached yet. - TurokSwe (talk) 19:44, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

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 * I have officially and gladly joined in the discussion! - TurokSwe (talk) 21:39, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Fan blog

 * Could you read overv WP:UNRELIABLE before spamming your favorite fan site all over.--Moxy (talk) 17:38, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Would you please behave in a more civilized manner? What precisely is supposed to be your problem with AVPGalaxy? - TurokSwe (talk) 17:40, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Asked the community take care of the site pls see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Science Fiction.--Moxy (talk) 17:46, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I have delivered a response. - TurokSwe (talk) 17:50, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Just so your not blind sided about the rules WP:RS/SPS.--Moxy (talk) 18:00, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Noting that AVPGalaxy is hardly of any low quality in terms of reliability, and the contents being discussed remain indisputable. - TurokSwe (talk) 18:50, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Noting further that I have added more articles covering the news. Just to put your mind at ease. - TurokSwe (talk) 18:58, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

. I see you're unaware of this so I moved the conversation to Reliable sources/Noticeboard so others can explain. No rush.....I won't remove anymore till others chime in...... take your time there's no rush I see you're involved in other conflicts.--Moxy (talk) 18:13, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 * A response has been delivered here as well. - TurokSwe (talk) 18:20, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

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Aliens vs. Predator (novel series)
This should be moved back. This is not a list like the other ones. It's an article about a specific trilogy of books.★Trekker (talk) 15:34, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
 * It feels more appropriate for it to cover all novels in general rather than a specific set. - TurokSwe (talk) 15:41, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
 * But that's not what it is. It would have been better to make a new list instead I feel. That article was already an article.★Trekker (talk) 22:58, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I understand that, I do, although it doesn't feel necessary to make it a separate article as it could just be covered on a shared page along with the rest of the novels. Perhaps if two distinct and well-constructed articles could be produced I would agree with you. - TurokSwe (talk) 13:04, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Yeah I'll work on that.★Trekker (talk) 14:23, 31 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Do not make useless moves without discussing first, and do not repeat them when they are reverted. FunkMonk (talk) 07:57, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Excuse me? - TurokSwe (talk) 09:08, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * You know what you did. If you want a page moved, make a formal move request. FunkMonk (talk) 09:34, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I know full well what I did, yes indeed, but I do not understand what the problem is supposed to be. - TurokSwe (talk) 10:41, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * It has already been explained to you in several edit summaries and on talk pages, so now you're just being obtuse. FunkMonk (talk) 20:13, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

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 * Just noting that "sooner or later" may never come, and the article will remain incorrect, especially as long as it's controlled by biased likeminded individuals. At this point I could care less if Wikipedia ceases to exist. - TurokSwe (talk) 18:17, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm honestly somewhat surprised, but as you can see, TurokSwe did exactly what he was told not to do.  D ÅRTH B ØTTØ ( T • C ) 18:53, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
 * What have I done wrong now? - TurokSwe (talk) 18:55, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
 * please post diffs so I can be sure we are looking at the same edits. Jehochman Talk 23:55, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Here and Here. They're putting those damned navboxes back on Alien (franchise), but I don't have the energy to do this rodeo - to explain to them what every other editor was saying - again.  D ÅRTH B ØTTØ ( T • C ) 00:02, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't see the problem. The article is directly listed in the navboxes, why would you remove them? Again this seems to be nothing but bias towards me and the AVP brand. - TurokSwe (talk) 10:22, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

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 * Noted. - TurokSwe (talk) 20:27, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

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 * Noted. TurokSwe (talk) 23:42, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

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