User talk:Tustintillers

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Conflict of interest and username concern
Welcome to Wikipedia. I saw that you edited or created Tustin High School, and I noticed that your username, "Tustintillers", may not comply with our username policy. Please note that you may not use a username that represents the name of a company, group, organization, product, or website. Examples of usernames that are not allowed include "XYZ Company", "MyWidgetsUSA.com", and "Foobar Museum of Art". However, you are invited to use a username that contains such a name if it identifies you personally, such as "Jack Smith at XYZ Company", "Mark at WidgetsUSA", or "FoobarFan87".

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February 2016
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Tustin High School
Please note that I have reverted many of your edits to Tustin High School. I'm not saying their team didn't win the 1937 football title, as you claimed in your edit, I'm saying that without a reliable source it doesn't belong on Wikipedia. Perhaps you can ask your school librarian for some old yearbooks. Thanks for your understanding. Magnolia677 (talk) 00:48, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Please be specific in your sourcing, including article titles, authors, dates, publishers, and so forth. If it was in a yearbook, add a proper citation.  If it was a newspaper article, add a complete source.  Wikipedia is not a repository for information you have gleaned walking through your school archive.  Thank you.  Magnolia677 (talk) 01:18, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

February 2016
Please stop adding unsourced content, as you did to Tustin High School. This contravenes Wikipedia's policy on verifiability. If you continue to do so, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Magnolia677 (talk) 10:02, 26 February 2016 (UTC)


 * How do I properly source content if it is just general knowledge that the school provides? I'm new to this and want to know the proper way to do it so it can stay on the page. The only thing to source for the championship years would be the school's physical banners hanging up on the wall in the gymnasium, I'm not understanding why I need a proper news outlet or article to prove it. (talk)


 * If it is just general knowledge that the school provides, then it's heading down the slippery slope of self-published sources: a source writing about itself. That said, district/region/conference championships probably aren't significant enough to warrant mention in an article. If a team has won the top title available in a state (which would be a CIF sectional, as I read the article on CIF), then that would warrant a mention. That should also be able to be sourced to the CIF or similar sanctioning body's website or record books. —C.Fred (talk) 16:35, 26 February 2016 (UTC)


 * I understand that some things are more important to mention, but a league championship to the school and athletics program (which the info was in that section), is very important. So what your saying is that if i just properly source my material (i.e cite it to the CIF or school website) it should be fine to keep on the page? The league championships would be cited towards the school's physical website, because the school is providing the information given; and the larger state titles (regional and state) would be cited to the school AND CIF... If I get what your saying... Also, I am a former alumni of the school, sot he actual school isn't self-reporting this information, I personally wanted to put it up because it adds to the schools page and shows our successes in the athletic program. Thank you for the help, I'm new to this. User:tustintillers User:C.Fred User:Magnolia677 (talk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tustintillers (talk • contribs) 17:29, 26 February 2016‎ (UTC)


 * The school is self-reporting the information. Editors must cite their sources for the material they add. The source you're citing for the league banners would be the school itself (either its website or the physical banners). That's why we prefer secondary sources for articles whenever possible: the journalist writing the newspaper story, for instance, is removed from the situation, writing objectively, and checking facts as they write.
 * Your status as an alumnus of the school doesn't change the nature of the source as self-published. It adds a layer of complexity to the situation because you have a connection to the school and therefore a conflict of interest. For most objective things about a subject, that's not a problem. You definitely have to be careful if you're writing any superlative text about the school (such as if you were to make a claim about being the most successful program, best in the district. etc.) From Wikipedia's perspective, the risk of editors with COI is that they will puff up the good about the subject and try to sweep the bad under the rug.
 * Finally, you really do need to change your username to something that represents you and only you. Your current username suggests that you're editing as or on behalf of the school's athletic department. You could use something that still mentions the school indirectly like User:Tillers Fan: that makes it clear that you're an individual, not the school. —C.Fred (talk) 18:17, 26 February 2016 (UTC)


 * I see your point. It would be better to get the information from a second party, outside of the school and source them. Thanks for clearing the confusion and helping me out. User:C.Fred — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tustintillers (talk • contribs)


 * One other point: the last thing in a message should be your signature, which identifies who posted the message. You can have one automatically inserted by typing four tildes  at the end of your message. —C.Fred (talk) 01:11, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

June 2016
Please stop adding unsourced content, as you did to Tustin High School. This contravenes Wikipedia's policy on verifiability. If you continue to do so, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Your edits are in good faith, but if you continue to add "common knowledge" about your school without supporting your claim with a reliable source, you will be reported. If you can't find a source, don't add your edit. Wikipedia is NOT your school website. Thanks for your cooperation. Magnolia677 (talk) 00:46, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Is adding a reference to the bottom of the page considered a citation? Thanks.Magnolia677

November 2016
Please stop adding unsourced content, as you did to Tustin High School. This contravenes Wikipedia's policy on verifiability. If you continue to do so, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Magnolia677 (talk) 21:37, 8 November 2016 (UTC)