User talk:Tuzapicabit/Archive 3

Notability of Tomasz Borkowy
A tag has been placed on Tomasz Borkowy requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article, which appears to be about a real person, organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content, does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable. If this is the first page that you have created, then you should read the guide to writing your first article.

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Okay - why have you suddenly slammed a tag on my article- when I've literally just started writing it? It took you 8 minutes from the creation of the page. I've put an inuse banner on it to show that I'm currently wrting it - although your edit conflict didn't help when I tried to post a bit more of it. I've now had to leave the article, which I'm in the middle of researching to come and talk to you. --Tuzapicabit (talk) 11:06, 13 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Right. Well, it didn't really say anything other than "this guy appeared on Doctor Who" when I read it. It also lacked citations. You should have really stuck that UnderConstruction tag on it to begin with. Please tone it down, though. I am sorry if it caused inconvenience to you. ←Signed:→ Mr. E. Sánchez Get to know me! / Talk to me! ←at≈:→ 11:10, 13 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay, but you need to check the edit history before you go to measures like trying to get articles deleted. With one edit of just 8 minutes earlier - of course it had just been started. At least wait a few days before you consider that it's not worthy. I have put an inuse tag on it now, but let me pause for breath. Please try to be less trigger happy when people are trying to be creative. Thank you. --Tuzapicabit (talk) 11:19, 13 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Having now been disrupted, I've gone off on a tangent - looking into your edit history and I see you seem to be a new article patroller. Well, I would direct you to this: New pages patrol and in particular; Patrolling new pages. Jumping on brand new articles which are not vandalism "only serves to annoy the editor". If you want to patrol new pages - go back to the start, having had a look - the New pages section goes back to 14 October - rather than attack articles which have been created in the last few minutes. I have now lost track of the article I was writing so I'm going to take a break. Please consider your actions more carefully. --Tuzapicabit (talk) 11:50, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

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Grammar
Hi there. I just noticed that you changed the Roxy Music article from is to are. There seems to be a lot of debate about this lately, but I've always considered it are (as in Roxy Music are). The rule is 'he is' and 'they are' - and I consider a group to be more than one person. However, other people say a group is singular (a group is an it). With this in mind it seems understandable to say Roxy Music is - but I still prefer are! By this stage I'm completely confused - despite English being my best subject in school! Do you know which is correct (or can they both be used?) ? Thanks.--Tuzapicabit (talk) 20:22, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi:

The rules for collective nouns are different in the UK than in the US. British grammar dictates the use of a plural verb. Because Roxy Music are/were a British act, UK rules apply. Likewise, if one were to refer to an American band, the singular would apply, as in "R.E.M. is home now from the world tour".

Cheers.

Vytal (talk) 14:22, 26 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you for that. I can see where the confusion comes from then, but also a relief to know I was right. Thanks again.--Tuzapicabit (talk) 14:54, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

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One-hit wonders in the UK
This article is still woefully short of references / citations, which are needed to deter potential vandals, fancruft freaks and deletionists etc. I know you have worked hard to get this article into shape, and I have not contributed at all in recent times - BUT - "must try harder" is your current school report. Very best wishes,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 11:58, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

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B for Brotherhood
Thanks for visiting the B for Brotherhood page and rating it. I find it hard to believe you'd rate it stub however. I've checked a lot of start class articles and they seem much less than this one. Any thoughts?--Tuzapicabit (talk) 08:12, 26 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi. My bad, i failed to see the writters name and rated it stub, i chaged it to C (The lead section is small but fulfill the criteria)Zidane tribal (talk) 08:20, 26 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the ammendment. I will be adding to the article and will try to extend the opening. It's reallly hard to find references and info on these old pop albums. How much easier people have it for today's albums!--Tuzapicabit (talk) 15:31, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for Hi-NRG article maintenance
Just wanted to say thanks for monitoring and pruning the Hi-NRG article of excessive examples. I support all of your recent edits. —mjb (talk) 21:49, 30 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your comments. I came across the article a few months ago when it looked like this. It was a mess! I've kept a watch on it since to try and keep it clean. Well done on your edits also.--Tuzapicabit (talk) 22:30, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Join us?
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Discussion
Actually what had happened was that you had added a comment at exactly the same time so please do not try to manipulate what I was saying. How could I have changed it to look like you were agreeing with me when you were saying something different?

I was actually trying to reply to the comment directly above, hence why I put it there.

I deeply resent the fact that you are accusing me of trying to corrupt anything. Not only that but you seem to be asking for my article to be deleted to get back at me. You already knew that I was creating the article and for what purpose as I had discussed it with you beforehand and you seemed to think it was a good idea. Maybe I was wrong, but I never tried to change what you were saying or anyone else.

I also resent the fact that you say I will not listen to reason, I have my thoughts and opinions and I did try to talk to you before. Just because I have different opinions does not make me unreasonable. --Cexycy (talk) 23:14, 22 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Apology very gratefully accepted. Please look at the main parent article as I have merged the other article in and cleared it up a little.  It should make perfect sense now and not mislead anyone.  Not that I thought it did anyway but there you go.  Let me know what you think.  --Cexycy (talk) 22:50, 24 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, it looks good at the moment and I look forward to see what else you have to offer. For now, I'll answer your quesions:

''Clint Eastwood reached a peak of #18 with the double-A side (as stated on the official charts), so clearly it doesn't belong. Show me the proof that Clint Eastwood reached No.1.''

You said yourself that this was a double A side, this means there were two hits. Lee Marvin had one, Clint Eastwood had the other. If Marvin had both, he would have had two hits and could not be a OHW.

''Tubeway Army was a band (as stated by Wikipedia - unless you're going to argue with every editor in that article) - Tubeway Army had one hit - a No.1, they are a genuine one hit wonder. Do not give the argument that the band just happened to contain Gary Numan - this makes no difference - he is not the whole band. And unless you are aware of every member of every group listed (going back to the 1950s) you can't just pick out individual members (and even then it would make no difference) Gary Numan and Tubeway Army are two different charting acts''

Good point, as I meantioned before Tubeway Army is technically a collaboration, but in this case in reverse. As mentioned below Cliff Richard and The Young Ones contains other (multiple) hitmakers, so do Tubeway Army because one of their members went on to have other hits, therefore they should really be in the other list. If this were the case for any other OHW group like the Archies, Overlanders, Floaters, etc. there would most likely be some note of this in the Guiness Hit Singles book and the groups concered would also be put into the other list.

If Tubeway Army and Gary Numan had one number one hit each and nothing else then they would both have to be in the other list for this reason.

''The Young Ones are a one hit wonder - they never had another hit. ''

The Young Ones themselves are nothing in the singles chart. Cliff Richard and The Young Ones is a different story. Cliff Richard had other hits, Neil from the Young Ones had another hit and so did a couple of the others with the group Bad News. Therefore it would be wrong to list Cliff Richard and The Young Ones as a genuine OHW, however no other records were released under the guise of Cliff Richard and The Young Ones, however as a collaboration, they should be in the other list, see below. As per the nomination process - the titling of your section is wrong - "alternate guises" is not accurate.

I was only using what the Guiness Hit Singles book one used. If people don't like it, it an be changed. How about One off Collaborations? As this would be a subheading in the main OHW article, people should understand that better and not laim it to be misleading. Also inlude a note before the list saying that the one off collaborations made it to number one only once and so satisfy the criteria as a OHW although the artists conerned on their own do not. Or words to that effect.

Your section is still missing many many examples - the argument for 'and' or 'featuring' is invalid unless you check (and give references) as to how these artists pairings were actually credited.

Well only collaboration artists that have been equally credited are listed, this includes and as well as vs, but not featuring. This wasn't my rule anyway. The main artile already said that artists featuring were not counted so such OHW collaborations have not been included. This is a shame as Tupac featuring Elton John would have been an interesting one, but this would only be a hit for Tupac and as he has already had other hits, the Ghetto Gospal song could not be included.

We could include another separate list for featuring artist collaboations of this nature, but this would have so many entries, it would seem meaningless, that is if it was ever completed!

The list should be a list - as it's of lesser importance to the genuinely authentic one hit wonders.

Good point, we could have it as an indented list, as it is now.

I hope you understand my points here, even though it is hard to explain. These points do not mean that I am right and everyone else is wrong, but I hope I have made myself a little clearer. Please tell me what you think. I may well be wrong. --Cexycy (talk) 23:49, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

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Orphaned non-free image (Image:BOM - Lightning Flash - Barry Upton.jpg)
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Wikinews has news for you!
Tell me what you think! Mike H. Fierce! 00:51, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * My next scheduled interview is with Anne-Marie David, which will be difficult because it'll be the first interview I've ever conducted completely in French. Mike H. Fierce! 09:31, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

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Doctor Who images
Please stop uploading new version for Doctor Who images. While some do require cleanup, your images only make matters worse. Your versions look overexposed. Also, TV screenshots should not be cropped as it creates a derivative of a non-free work. — Edokter  •  Talk  • 00:27, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Not to seem thankless, but your images do bounce the current ones from one extreme to another. But don't let it discourage you; experiment and let other see the results before uploading. — Edokter  •  Talk  • 00:41, 14 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, the effort is appreciated - but unfortunately the end result has not improved the image quality. The changes have had to be reverted, because they demonstrate consistent issues with contrast, chroma, and exposure, as well as an overall loss of resolution. Just out of curiosity, what software and methodology are you using to process the images? As well, how is your monitor set up? Based on the changes, I'm inclined to think that it may need to be realigned. If you can provide some details, I might be able to suggest ways to achieve your desired results without the issues in the current batch.
 * Again, your interest in improving the images is great - but in future you might wish to put up one or two sample revised version on the Doctor Who talk page first, to allow others to offer some input.--Ckatz chat spy  01:06, 14 February 2009 (UTC)


 * OK, I've given it a go at some examples on Talk:The Seeds of Doom. See how it goes.--Tuzapicabit (talk) 09:32, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Wikinews has more news for you!
Mike H. Fierce! 12:19, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, did you see it? ;) Mike H. Fierce! 12:59, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * It was originally in French. Mike H. Fierce! 22:55, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

File:Doug McClure .jpg
Hi, I noticed this image and saw it was missing information. Do you own the copyright to this image? Since it seems like a scanned image, if you are not the copyrigh holder the image can't be released under a CC license. The fact that you scanned it does not mean you own the copyright. This image could pass the non-free content criteria though. Garion96 (talk) 23:33, 18 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Edited the original image as per permission to modify. Changed the rationale now. Thought it was more appropriate/respectful. If not okay, just revert. I'm not that bothered, I just happened across it. --Tuzapicabit (talk) 23:40, 18 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Ah, I see. This was an image on his grave? Then indeed you can't release it under a free content license. Since it would be considered a derivative work. I changed the image accordingly. Regarding adminship, the ad on my user page is exaggerated, although sometimes it seems that it is only slightly exaggerated. :) Garion96 (talk) 10:31, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

File:Dawn_records.jpg
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 * Ha ha! look at it - no wonder I didn't use it!!--Tuzapicabit (talk) 21:45, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Newsman here!
Mike H. Fierce! 15:36, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Beep beep! More news! AND TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK OF IT. :P The joy is all in hearing what people think! Mike H. Fierce! 09:55, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

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Time for more news!
Let me know what you thought. Mike H. Fierce! 10:00, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

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Irish Songs on the RS 500
On the RS 500 Greatest Songs Talk page, you wrote:

Irish songs

It says that there are 12 songs by Irish artists - 6 of them by U2, but having had a look I can only find Sinead O' Connor's "Nothing Compares 2 U" and right at the end, Thin Lizzy's "Boys are Back in Town". Have I missed the other 4 and what are they?--Tuzapicabit (talk) 07:39, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Van Morrison (Belfast, Northern Ireland) has 2 songs on the list. Two to go. Seduisant (talk) 19:15, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

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ARTICLE: One Hit Wonders in the UK
I would like to comment about the inclusion of "Baddiel, Skinner and the Lightning Seeds" as a OHW. The original song released in 1996, was the official anthem of the England football team for that year's European Championships, held in England. The music was written by The Lightning Seeds, with comedians David Baddiel and Frank Skinner providing the lyrics; and reached #1 making it a OHW at the time. However, it was subsequently re-recorded with different lyrics (under the title "Three Lions '98") as an unofficial anthem for England's World Cup campaign in 1998 and landed the number one spot in the singles chart for a second time. Thus now making it a 2-hit-wonder for the same group (Baddiel, Skinner and the Lightning Seeds). Then in 2002 they re-released it again; and it reached #16; and in 2006 released for the 4th time and peaked at #9 in the UK charts. So this song is no longer a OHW. My brother-in-law who is a DJ also agrees with this; and states that the facts themselves show that it is no longer a OHW and has never seen since its second release in 1998. (Pr3st0n (talk) 13:59, 1 June 2009 (UTC))

RfC on reliable sources for Eurovision articles
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Merge/Separation of different versions of the same song
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Attacks in
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 * Sad! Desperately sad! Do something more constructive with your time or - GET A LIFE!!!!!--Tuzapicabit (talk) 01:15, 10 July 2009 (UTC)