User talk:Tvdowntown

May 2010
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Nomination of Jade lizard for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Jade lizard is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Jade lizard until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. TraderCharlotte (talk) 22:05, 10 April 2022 (UTC)


 * I am in complete agreement to delete the article, and my association with, the Jade Lizard. Tvdowntown (talk) 00:48, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Managing a conflict of interest
Hello, Tvdowntown. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on the page Tony Vitale, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:


 * avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, colleagues, company, organization or competitors;
 * propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles (you can use the request edit template);
 * disclose your conflict of interest when discussing affected articles (see Conflict of interest);
 * avoid linking to your organization's website in other articles (see Spam);
 * do your best to comply with Wikipedia's content policies.

In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Paid-contribution disclosure.

Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. TraderCharlotte (talk) 22:22, 10 April 2022 (UTC)


 * In my reply to TradeCharlotte who is requesting that my page to be deleted, I sent TraderCharlotte the following message: Hello TraderCharlotte, it appears you have requested that my Wiki page be deleted, though I am not sure why you feel this way. The original article was published by a journalist, and a fan of my first film, KISS ME, GUIDO. Since that time, I have made edits to the article and believed that I was doing it correctly with the proper references. There are many filmmakers who have had their films, and their body of work (some with much less credibility than I), added to Wikipedia, so I am not sure why you have chosen mine for deletion. I see that you are, or have an affiliation with, tastytrade. If I mentioned anything that was written about tastytrade that you do not think it is worthy, then please make the necessary edit. However, please let me know if there is something else in the article that you think I need to correct rather than making the request to delete my entire page. I am more than happy to address your concern. Thank you. Tvdowntown (talk) 00:35, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
 * To Hi Tony, to be clear, I'm not affiliated with Tastytrade- I'm just a fan and sometimes email Tom. The problem with the article about you is that there isn't enough third-party sources about you. If you can find some, please add it to the article and let us know at the deletion discussion. Also, your signature should go at the end of your message, not the beginning. TraderCharlotte (talk) 04:16, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Also FYI, messages should go here, on your user talk, and not in your sandbox. I can't see it if you post it there. TraderCharlotte (talk) 04:19, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi TradeCharlotte, thank you for the prompt reply and helping me fix this article. I am not sure how many third party sources I need to have an article avoid deletion by you and you argument for deletion. I have 10 3rd party sources, almost one per sentence. And they're from publications such as The New York Times, Reuters and Variety.  What is your preferable number for 3rd party sources to satisfy your request to delete me?  Also, if you would be so kind, if this is not the "delete discussion" please let me know when there will be the "delete discussion" and if another party is joining the delete discussion. I would like to get some clarity on the minimum number of 3rd party sources that are needed as well as the quality fo sources that are needed to avoid deletion. Finally, as for my signature, I am hoping I am placing it correctly for you here art the end, though I am not sure if I am doing it correctly. tvdowntown 06:13, 11 April 2022 (UTC) Tvdowntown (talk) 06:13, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi. The deletion discussion is happening here, multiple people will be joining that. You did your signature correctly this time. I'm not really the best person to ask about questions like this, please ask these questions on the deletion discussion page, and hopefully someone will reply to you soon. Also, there is no guarentee that the article on you will be deleted- I just started a deletion discussion, multiple other Wikipedia users will have to reply before an admin (I'm not an admin) decides to delete or keep it. TraderCharlotte (talk) 16:09, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi TraderCharlotte, As for your nomination to delete "JadeLizard," I am in full support of that deletion. You are a trader and a fan of tastytrade as well as Wikipedia editor(?). There were no sources for that addition to Wikipedia. I was asked by tastytrade, when I was employed there, to add Jade Lizard to Wikipedia back in 2013/2014, so I am not supporting keeping that in Wikipedia. However, I continue to believe that I have supported by page, Tony Vitale, with appropriate sources. I just thought that since you were the one who assessed my page beyond the Jade Lizard and thought it was insufficient for 3rd party sources, you would have an understanding of what is not sufficient about my sources. If your request is more about addressing Jade Lizard and not me personally, then I would like to ask that you please retract your nomination for deletion, if that is even possible.  This has become very time consuming for me to sort through and I want to be clear, I am not defending the Jade Lizard, however, I am defending my accomplishments as noted by other journalists, per my 3rd party sources.205.178.90.146 (talk) 16:30, 11 April 2022 (UTC) tvdowntown 205.178.90.146 (talk) 16:30, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi sorry, I do have my own rationale which I laid out in the deletion discussion; this is becoming time-consuming for me also, I can't retract the nomination- it's up to the community now and this could take a week or two. I would say wait to see how other editors react to the nomination. TraderCharlotte (talk) 16:53, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't really have control over this at this point, sorry. TraderCharlotte (talk) 16:58, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
 * To be clear, I'm just a random member of Wikipedia's community who happens to have an interest in options. TraderCharlotte (talk) 17:01, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Also FYI please be careful editing when you're not logged in- when you do that you reveal your IP address and potentially your rough location to everyone! TraderCharlotte (talk) 17:03, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Nomination of Tony Vitale for deletion
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 * In my long discussion with TraderCharlotte, their initial complaint/reasoning for deletion, the "Jade Lizard" article, was removed from any mention in my article. However, TraderCharlotte still requested my article to be deleted, which I believe I adequately defended (see above) not to delete. Thus, I am making one more edit in attempt to retain the article on Wikipedia.  If anyone else feels like I have done something incorrectly, please contact me.Tvdowntown (talk) 20:09, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

In my reply to TradeCharlotte who is requesting that my page to be deleted, I sent TraderCharlotte the following message: Hello TraderCharlotte, it appears you have requested that my Wiki page be deleted, though I am not sure why you feel this way. The original article was published by a journalist, and a fan of my first film, KISS ME, GUIDO. Since that time, I have made edits to the article and believed that I was doing it correctly with the proper references. There are many filmmakers who have had their films, and their body of work (some with much less credibility than I), added to Wikipedia, so I am not sure why you have chosen mine for deletion. I see that you are, or have an affiliation with, tastytrade. If I mentioned anything that was written about tastytrade that you do not think it is worthy, then please make the necessary edit. However, please let me know if there is something else in the article that you think I need to correct rather than making the request to delete my entire page. I am more than happy to address your concern. Thank you. Tvdowntown (talk) 00:35, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

There are two deletion discussions
Hi, just wanted to point something out- the reason your article is being considered for deletion is not because of the Jade Lizard- that is a separate discussion that is occurring on a different deletion discussion page. TraderCharlotte (talk) 20:37, 15 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello TraderCharlotte, it seems like the message I sent you may not have reached you. In following up on your comment about the Jade Lizard, we are in accord with that deletion.  However, as I stated in a previous, I still have not heard about your response regarding the validity of my resources, or any other item that makes you feel my article should be deleted. I am now using Wikipedia too much and I am getting flagged for defend myself and my article.  Here is my followup commment, hoping to bring some relief to me regarding your request for my article to be deleted:
 * Hello TraderCharlotte. I have now been asked to add my commentary here regarding your nomination for the article, Tony Vitale, to be deleted.  It seems like Sdrqaz mentioned that I should add the conversation here as opposed to, or in addition to, where we have been shading the discussion about my article.  I feel I have supplied ample information and resources for my work.  I have also agreed that Jade Lizard should be removed.  Since you did not respond to my defense, I followed the instructions and removed the template, however once again, I may have done something wrong as I am not as savvy as you, nor Sdrqaz with the intricacies of communication on Wiki.  I am, however, proud of my accomplishments as they are in line with other filmmakers who have made feature films.  I have also included my New York Times interview where my film was on the cover of the Sunday Arts and Leisure section in 1997.  I referenced articles like that as well as many others, yet for some reason, you are still choosing to mention that they are not acceptable.  Please let me know when this discussion is complete so that I can remove the template, as per my understand as to how Wikipedia works.Tvdowntown (talk) 00:41, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't have time for a full reply yet but the template cannot be removed until the discussion is complete, which could be several weeks. TraderCharlotte (talk) 02:25, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, FYI you don't need to direct these messages to me every time you reply- all messages on talk pages are public and everyone can see them. TraderCharlotte (talk) 02:27, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

I am removing all cautionary tags from the BLP of Tony Vitale
I inadvertently stumbled upon the drama associated with the Tony Vitale BLP. I edited the article, and confirmed that there are many, many WP:RS and WP:NPOV sources that establish notability of the subject! During my editing, I removed a few unsourced sentences that were not germane to the overall article. I am now going to remove the last COI tag because I believe it is no longer applicable.

In the future, I urge you and any others with a COI on this or other Wikipedia articles to follow the process described already on your talk page. Specifically, do NOT make edits to your own biography on Wikipedia nor any others with which you have a close involvement. (You are not the only one to do this by the way, nor were you a biased editor. Everyone from famous neocons to highly respected genetic researchers and their wives have done all sorts of messing with Wikipedia BLPs and related articles.) Instead, post the additions or changes you want to have made to the article on the article's talk page. Every Wikipedia article in what we call "mainspace" (visible to the Internet) has a talk page associated with it.

Of course, I encourage you to continue editing Wikipedia about any and all things with which you are not personally involved! Congratulations on the sale of tasty. It is a much-loved resource by many people I have known over the years, even though I wasn't a user.

If you have any questions about editing articles where you have a conflict of interest, e.g. making further changes to the BLP of Tony Vitale as he moves on to his next accomplishment, please do not hesitate to ask me. You can do that by visiting my talk page and leaving an entry. If I am slow to respond, please consider asking for help from the Village Pump people.-- FeralOink (talk) 08:44, 24 September 2022 (UTC)


 * I can't thank you enough for straightening all of that out, and with an accurate, thorough explanation. I felt like I was put through a gauntlet, I'm glad you found me on the other side. If something does come up, I will be sure to seek your guidance. Thank you again. Tvdowntown (talk) 13:29, 29 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello Tony! You are most welcome. I just this message, and am glad to help you with additional edits to the BLP. I'm in a hurry now, but I promise to return in a few days with specifics for expanding the article. BTW, the person who was oddly opposed to constructive editing in the past has not been active on Wikipedia since 2023.--FeralOink (talk) 18:06, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Additional content
Hello, Tvdowntown. I left this note on my talk page, but don't know if you will receive it, as you don't have a user page. @Tvdowntown, I am trying to find the articles and the interview that you mentioned. Can you provide me with URLs? Also, I found an obituary for a Tony Vitale when I was looking, which I hope is not for you! Let's continue our discussion on the Tony Vitale article talk page please.-- FeralOink (talk) 15:17, 8 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi FeraOink, thank you bvery much for following up.
 * I di dan extensive interview for a book that was just publushed. Here is the link:
 * https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-031-47211-4
 * There are some insightful quotes that I would like to add to my Wikipedia page. If there is additional information that I need to provide, please let me know.
 * Tony Tvdowntown (talk) 18:56, 8 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Ah great! There you are Tony! Thank you for linkie. Two questions: First, are there any book reviews of the book yet? If so, please link to them. Second: I will see if I can use Wikipedia library to access the book content, especially of the section in which you were interviewed. If I can't get access, can you send me a PDF (or the relevant section(s)) of the book, with the page numbers of the quotes that you consider relevant that you mentioned above? I'll check my access through the Wikipedia library to Springer publishing but I am doubtful as they don't give us much good access.--FeralOink (talk) 07:42, 16 July 2024 (UTC)