User talk:TwinsMetsFan/Archive 06

Categorisation issues (contd.)
I wonder if you actually looked at my comment about my confusion over categorisation or missed it since that came just before the signpost delivery (if you click the "last change" link when MediaWiki says you have messages you might in all probability miss other messages). It already got archived at User talk:TwinsMetsFan/Archive 05 so I thought it is time to ask you about it. -- Paddu 05:48, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the delay - as you said, your comment got lost in the shuffle a while back. In any case, after looking at your comments, I don't think that the WT:USRD logic works for any category not related to roads. For transport and such, the USRD approach works fine - however, once the subject changes to anything other than roads, then the category hierarchy has to vary naturally. Short answer: it's probably best to take a case-by-case approach, and use common sense to determine what the hierarchy should be. There's not one answer that will work for every category, mainly because not all categories are the same. -- T M F Let's Go Mets - Stats 20:55, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Great
... I'm suspicious about edits like these. But I don't know what's correct so I can't revert... --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 02:42, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * In the case you linked to, it appears that the edit was valid - indicates that the completed I-464 opened in 1989. I see what you mean above though - it's frustrating when an editor contributes productively to some articles while vandalizing others. For verifying Interstate info, I'd use Kurumi as a source, and if that doesn't turn up anything, there's always Google. =) -- T M F Let's Go Mets - Stats 02:57, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Interstate status page
I finished an Interstate status page not too long ago. It is similar to the one myselfalso created about PA routes. However, I have only the 2dis right now, and I have reassessed all those articles in the process.

Anybody can view it here or go directly to User:Vishwin60/Roads/Interstate status. V60 VTalk - VDemolitions 05:44, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Extra note: In case if you were wondering how noinclude tags got into the PA Routes status page, just look at my roads page (User:Vishwin60/Roads).

NY Interchange box thingie
Hey, I hope you don't mind if I hawk your Interchange templates for use in the Michigan project. It's well done and I really don't want to re-invent the wheel ;)  S tratosphere (U T) 05:44, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Go ahead, I don't mind. I could even set it up for you. -- T M F Let's Go Mets - Stats 05:45, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Cool! actually I already set it up, so I'm good to go! Cheers.  S tratosphere (U T) 05:47, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * before I get too far into making lists for roads, the noaccess type, what is your criteria? If there aren't ramps onto the crossing then it's no access?  I ask because there are sometimes interchanges with interstates/US Routes within urban areas that you have to turn onto a frontage road for like 0.07 miles then get on the interstate.  Would you classify a situation like this as no access or not?  S tratosphere (U T) 06:32, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, the no access type. The exact situation that you described came up at WT:NYSR a little while ago and, after some discussion, it was determined that no access should be used exclusively for crossings between two roadways with no connection in between. For the frontage road case, I'd treat the junction as a normal interchange, personally. I don't even think a "To plate" is necessary in this case. -- T M F Let's Go Mets - Stats 16:23, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Great River Road Marker font
I made a generic Image:GreatRiverRoad.svg which has the state name removed - Credit MNDoT (a CAD drawing) for it. Do you have any idea what font is used on it? thanks •  master_son  Lets talk  03:17, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll jump in here: It does look a lot like Stagecoach. It has extra thick strokes at the top and bottom of figures, although a center stroke (like on a capital "H") is thin. On the sign mentioned, the center strokes are thick (that will pose an issue). Playbill also looks close, but the vertical strokes on that don't have as much constrast as appears on this sign. A font I also have called Wanted LET comes close. If necessary, it may be possible to substitute a font and thicken the center strokes manually as necessary. Fwgoebel 04:39, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Seems like it wouldn't be too much of an issue - but it would be nice to get the state names in there somehow.•  master_son  Lets talk  04:45, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

3d US Highway Markers - Wisconsin and Iowa (AFAIK)
These two states do not use the wide US shields for their 3d shields.

Wisconsin's specs call for it to be the 2d US Shield with Type C font - convenient enough since the only two 3dus routes in WI are 141 and 151.

Iowa's specs call for it to have 12" or 10" Type B font on a 2d US Shield.

(both are sourced to the drawings in the shields research page.

Do you know of any other states that follow unusual specs out there?

I wanted to pass this on before actually posting these images since my concern is they may (in fact will in the main articles) violate WP:USH. Since they are state specific - they would only be used on the state subarticles IMHO.

Thoughts, griefs, suggestions?

•  master_son  Lets talk  18:44, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I think as long as the state in question uses them in practice, and as long as their use is restricted to articles relating to said state, then it should be fine. NH may be another state that uses the narrow 3di shield - see the pic of the narrow US 202 shield on New Hampshire Route 101. -- T M F Let's Go Mets - Stats 19:49, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Your comment is requested
Your comment and/or vote is requested at Articles for deletion/Unused highway and Articles for deletion/List of unused highways. Thanks  Seicer  (talk) (contribs) 15:30, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I-76
You're certainly popular as of recent. User:crashintome4196 has added disambig tags to both Interstate 76 (east) and Interstate 76 (west) for the other highway. I really don't see the need for them, since Interstate 76 is a dab page already, and east and west are specific. I almost removed them, but I figured I'd give it a few days and see other opinions. Your thoughts? -- M PD T / C 19:16, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * If the direct I-76 page redirected to either the east or the west one, then I'd say keep them. But, considering I-76 is a dab page, I don't see the purpose of the tags, because if a reader navigates to either the east or the west page, it's a pretty safe bet that the reader knows what segment of I-76 he/she wants. My opinion: junk the tags. -- T M F Let's Go Mets - Stats 19:49, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

NYSR-NYCR Newsletter - Issue 2

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NY 910L reference route marker
This is a request for a reference marker for NY 910L, which will be placed into the junction lists for NY 9N and NY 22. --JB82c 00:00, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Technically, one already exists for NY 910L - however, it does not read 910L because they do not in practice. According to, reference markers on 910L display "903" instead of 910L, so 903 is used instead. I think there was a discussion on this issue a while ago...hopefully I can find it. -- T M F Let's Go Mets - Stats 00:09, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Here it is: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_New_York_State_routes. -- T M F Let's Go Mets - Stats 00:12, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

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Exit list templates and delicious fruits
Hey again. Is there a template for generating the exit list similar to your work for the intersection lists?  S tratosphere (U T) 02:43, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately not yet, but I've been thinking about making one for a while. After I get my to-do list cleared, I'll try to make one up. -- T M F Let's Go Mets - Stats 03:09, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Got another one for you. Does the Image:No image wide.svg only work with certain pixel widths?  I've used 20px in infoboxes, but what if I need to center an auxiliary plate over a 3di? I've tried 2.5, 2, 3, and they aren't workin.  Any ideas?  S tratosphere (U T) 06:08, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
 * ah, nevermind, it appears No image.svg will suit my purpose. Cheers!  S tratosphere (U T) 06:10, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
 * (2x edit conflict) For anything less than 5px, I'd use Image:No image.svg, a square version of the wide blank. Never tried using the wide version for only a couple of pixels - the problem is likely that at small sizes, it is so thin that the height is 0px, making the image nonexistent. I've also found it useful to make the auxiliary plate 21px wide over 3di shields so that it truly looks centered when indenting by 2px. Hope that helps. Regards,  T M F Let's Go Mets - Stats 06:14, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Since you're pretty active on here, I invite you to look at User:Stratosphere/Sandbox and tell me which Layout you like better? I'm including control cities on the Interstate and US Routes and have been trying to come up with a simple, clean design.  I want to see if you like the same one I do. Thanks  S tratosphere (U T) 06:17, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Layout 5 looks the best to me by far. -- T M F Let's Go Mets - Stats 20:30, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

If I can jump in here and comment, I have two things. 1: There's no actual exit number (perhaps you know this), and 2: I don't like to be reliant on images. They're great and all, but east and west directions and everything still needs to be in text, IMHO. -- M PD T / C 21:39, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I know that there aren't exit numbers in there, it's a different topic than what this section suggests. An example of the exit list in action already exists at M-14, and I actually prefer Style 2 for the intersection list since it doesn't use the east/west plates, but the text instead, to me it looks more compact and cleaner.  S tratosphere (U T) 23:13, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I've started a discussion at WT:MISH on this subject. Anyone is invited to participate.  S tratosphere (U T) 23:27, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:TemplateName
Template:TemplateName has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. --•  master_son  Lets talk  05:40, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

How Come?
How come you and that Rschen guy talking about me stealing images. Listen i did you guys a great favor on a lot of Pennsylvania Highways that need help if you guys want to block me, be my guest. But next time say it in my talk page instead of talking to one of your friends about it first. What is this the Wiki:Police, don't make me laugh i'm leaving and never doing this again and by the way, i'm not albertotineo10 or the other guy. -- The King is done (512theking)
 * I've left a note at WP:ANI. Also, I find it interesting to see who actually left you the note above, check the history... --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 02:33, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

The vandal's coming back
Look on Rschen's talk page and history. The vandal's coming back to bite! Already notified Rschen and Master Son. V60 VTalk - VDemolitions 23:10, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Rschen is thinking about a range block for our vandal's IPs. But, he said that it requires some math to do it, and now I turn to you for some help.  Please drop a note at WP:ANI or Rschen's talk page, since he is the one that thought of it and needs help.  Don't do it now though, since he is preparing for/taking an exam. V60 VTalk - VDemolitions 01:12, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Nevada State Routes
Got bored - so I started up the project. There are some outstanding items to be done listed in its ToDo list. Thought I'd let you know since you requested it •  master_son  Lets talk  21:12, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you for both creating it and letting me know about the to-do list. -- T M F Let's Go Mets - Stats 21:17, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Not a problem :) •  master_son  Lets talk  21:30, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

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Main article links
Thanks for the note about appropriate markup for main article links. I didn't know that the template existed, so I simply kludged it using thew appropriate markup. Now that I know it exists I will use it every time. Thanks! -TheOneKEA
 * You're very welcome. -- T M F Let's Go Mets - Stats 04:56, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Two new US Roads WikiProjects
Recently, I have started two new wikiprojects, WP:INSR and WP:RIR. Both of those projects only have two members at this point, which includes myself in both of those. If you could join both of the projects and help out formatting the articles to USRD standards, that would be great. V60 VTalk - VDemolitions 20:51, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll see what I can do. My to-do list is pretty full at the moment, but I'll keep these projects in close mind. -- T M F Let's Go Mets - Stats 04:56, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

North Carolina Highway 144
NC 144 was recently recommissioned into service and it needs an .svg shield. I was hoping you could help us out since you did the rest. --TinMan 20:45, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

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Images listed for deletion
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 * I'm guessing that there are about another 100 of these. Based on this discussion the proper process is to take them through WP:IfD.  Since you have already indicated that you are fine with them being deleted, I will work up a mass nomination of the rest and post a link to that nomination here instead of listing each one individually here.  ~  Bigr  Tex  16:59, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me. -- T M F Let's Go Mets - Stats 20:53, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I got busy today and didn't get many marked. I've listed them at IfD here.  I'll continue tomorrow.
 * There are about a half-dozen that I've found that aren't orphaned yet. I've tagged them into Category:Vector version available.  ~  Bigr  Tex  00:03, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The images in that category are now orphaned. -- T M F Let's Go Mets - Stats 22:30, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * There's another list at Images and media for deletion/2007 February 2, and a few more in that category. I'll go take a look at the ones you orphaned tomorrow. ~  Bigr  Tex  01:26, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Today's list is the first item on Images and media for deletion/2007 February 3. I went ahead and fixed most of the Category:Vector version available as I went, but ended up sticking a few in there as it got late tonight.  I'll double check the category tomorrow sometime and migrate any articles if needed.  ~  Bigr  Tex  00:57, 3 February 2007 (UTC)


 * TwinsMetsFan himself marked some of my images for deletion months ago, and I had no objections, but they're still there. On the other hand, I've been getting bots marking images I've been trying to keep left and right, one of which was marked twice. And sadly, at least four of them are gone. DanTD 01:53, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Pennsylvania Route 43
This anon is pretty violent, but told him/her to read WP:NOR, since those edits were original research. V60 VTalk - VDemolitions 00:00, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, this might just come down to an edit war, since that person just doesn't care. We sure don't want to violate WP:3RR! V60 VTalk - VDemolitions 00:02, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed on both points above. Maybe we should post this issue to WT:USRD. -- T M F Let's Go Mets - Stats 00:04, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, we might need administrator intervention, and Rschen might be able to help us out. V60 VTalk - VDemolitions 00:08, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * One can only hope, as every source points to PA 43 extending to US 40, something that PennDOT's video logs (which simulates driving on the road) confirms. -- T M F Let's Go Mets - Stats 00:58, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

He just reverted our edits again! Could you please revert for me, since I'm in danger of violating 3RR? V60 VTalk - VDemolitions 01:50, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Reverted. Also fixed a statement in the exit list that was wrong in my edit (as Hopwood is east of Uniontown...oops). I'm now at 3 reverts, so I'm done until 4:07 tomorrow. You still have one left by my count, and if needed, we could enlist assistance at WT:USRD or some other location (WP:ANI, etc.). -- T M F Let's Go Mets - Stats 02:05, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm watching it. -- M PD T / C 03:00, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm amazed that the editors who continually revert to the US 119 version are completely sold on one end shield near the unnumbered exit. Aside from everything else I've said on that page, a (PennDOT video log) drive of PA 43 north from exit 8 and PA 43 south from US 40 from November 2005 reveal the contradicting shields that are shown on two links I provided on that page. Yeah, sure, there's an "End PA 43" shield at the US 119/PA 857 unnumbered interchange, but PA 43 shields are present on the US 40 guide signs as well as a sign assembly about a 1/4 (?) mile down the ramp from US 40, displaying "South US 119/PA 43". I've said about all that can be said on this issue; I have no further comment. -- T M F Let's Go Mets - Stats 22:10, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not entire sure what's going on, I have no opinion one way or the other on it. It was just easy to see that the one editor was repetedly going aginst your and V60's edits so I was providing revert support should it be needed, then I took the exit list (whatever version of it) and brought to the WP:IH/ELG standards (even though it's not an IH...oh well still looks good).  I think the entire thing is ridiculous.  You've provided more than enough info to back your point, and I agree with you.  -- M PD T / C 22:31, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

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NYCR 66 and MN 127
Those articles are listed on AFD. Links can be found in the USRD user template. Please voice your opinion on them. Thanks!  V 6 0  VTalk · VDemolitions 22:27, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Left my two cents on both. Also see Articles for deletion/Pennsylvania Route 999. Based on what I've read at both the CR 66 and MN 127 discussions, the PA 999 nomination could be a bit of a WP:POINT violation. -- T M F Let's Go Mets - Stats 00:46, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Issues
We've got a big problem. I'm starting a newsletter at WP:USRD/N to get the word out by Sat. In the meantime, what do we do?

Also, have you looked into IRC? --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 04:39, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * And I thought the vandal situation a while ago was bad...agreed, this is bad. All we can do for right now is to hold our own in the debates (which should actually be easier as more spring up, as each successive one can, and should, be viewed as a WP:POINT violation) and get intervention at WP:ANI. If we need to post multiple times to the ANI board, if that's what it takes, that's how we'll have to go.
 * I actually have an IRC client installed on my computer. Just pass me the channel name and the other info and I'll hop into the chat. -- T M F Let's Go Mets - Stats 04:52, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Well wikipedia-en at WP:IRC... I was just saying it might be good for the main highways editors to stay logged on to that when we're online so we can comminicate quickly regarding such issues. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 04:55, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Definitely sounds like a plan to me. Agreed, this should be a good way to discuss things off-wiki. -- T M F Let's Go Mets - Stats 04:56, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Yet another exit list question
The most recent edits at Interstate 77 in North Carolina (changes) begin a questionable act of displaying the other names of the highway as so. I disagree with it because not only are the names not usually used (at least not out on the east coast, I've never heard anyone call I-40/85 here in Alamance County NC the "Sam Hunt Freeway", nor any other roads by their "name"), but we should just put them in the prose like everywhere else. I think we begin to put too much info in the exit list, and I don't think it's enough info to warrant letting the reader know about the change in the name. What do you think? -- M PD T / C 18:58, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I 100% agree with your stance. The name of the expressway, especially in the case where the name is not part of common usage, should be restricted to the prose and never placed in the exit list. As you said, some editors like to put too much info into an exit list or a junction table, and that's a practice that should be nipped in the bud, so to speak. Go ahead and revert the change. -- T M F Let's Go Mets - Stats 21:10, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

U.S. Roads Newsletter Issue #1

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Special Pages
How did you create that page you used to make your own version of the Thruway? I want to do the same with the Northern State Parkway. Thanks in advance for the help! -Jgcarter 21:06, 12 February 2007 (UTC) EDIT: I found out...thanks anyway! Jgcarter 21:54, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

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Interstate sign images for deletion
Hello! Back in October you put "Image for deletion" tags on a number of images of interstate signs, but it appears that you forgot to list them for deletion on Images and media for deletion. listed them automatically two days ago, but it didn't know the reason the tags were placed on the images. Could you please go to IfD and put reasons for the deletion of all of those files? Thanks! TomTheHand 18:50, 13 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I found those today and listed them on todays with basic reasons (orphan, assumed obsolete). ~ Bigr  Tex  19:15, 13 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Then.... perhaps you should de-list them, since they're listed twice now. TomTheHand 21:06, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Image:NY-48.png listed for deletion
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I forgot to list this one when I tagged it. The rest of these have been (or will be) tagged with subst:ncd so they can be deleted without discussion. ~ Bigr  Tex  19:13, 13 February 2007 (UTC)