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Hi, THR. You did a great job with the File:AHA-Uniform-RIT.png; do you know if there's a blank template somewhere for the creation of similar uniform images? Powers T 16:31, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'm hoping to complete all the men's NCAA Division I teams in the next couple months. I just used an existing image of an NHL team uniform for my template, but I did find this: File:Hockey sweater blank template.png.  Two Hearted River  ( paddle /  fish ) 16:42, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Shattuck-St. Marys
Just a quick question on this change. I know that the age range for midget hockey is different in the United States than in Canada, but in both countries, I am rather certain that midget aged players are too young to be eligible for the NHL draft. Also, given the NHL itself says these players appeared in MSHS hockey, I am reverting the change to the draft articles. Resolute 20:11, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Thanks for the info. Resolute 22:46, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

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Niagara purple
Hello Two Hearted River. You are right: There is not an official conversion chart approved by Pantone Inc., and, therefore, the hexidecimal values are similar to the official printed Pantone color chart but not exactly the same. Niagara university's official color and Purple Eagles athletic color is Pantone PMS 268. I just checked a converter program (CorelDraw X3) and hex. values should be: 521C78. Another tool is found here with result 4F2170 (used on wikipedia's article Niagara Purple Eagles men's ice hockey). Same result here. Unfortunatley, and I don't know why, the purple eagles official website has changed this year to a blue shade as website background, while the school's official website has not. I'd recommend using #4F2170 for PMS 268, but it's just my opinion. Best regards--Banderas (talk) 19:55, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Good question !. The new ice hockey jerseys are closer to blue rather than purple (just like the website), while other purple eagles teams still use purple, and the official color has not changed ! I think you do the right thing by drawing the uniforms as they are (blueish), while the article's bars stay PMS 268, the official color. I guess they got a new person taking decisions over there who doesn't like purple and prefers blue (either that or he has viewing problems).--Banderas (talk) 18:52, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Grateful Dead album articles
Greetings, Two Hearted River. Thanks for your recent edits on some Grateful Dead album articles. Besides some cleanup, you're doing a great job of finding better album cover images. Here are a couple of requests. (1) When you upload a better album cover image, please update the fair use rationale on the image page, to reflect the source of the new image -- usually but not necessarily the URL of a web site. (2) If any of the album infoboxes have the artist as "The Grateful Dead", please change that to "Grateful Dead", the official name of the group and the value used in most of the Grateful Dead album articles, of which there are quite a few. Again, thanks, and keep up the good work. (If you reply here I will see what you say.) — Mudwater (Talk) 01:42, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
 * In one of the articles, I saw in the infobox "Studio album by the Grateful Dead", which seemed to me the best way to display it (more accurate than "Studio album by The Grateful Dead" and without the clunkiness of "Studio album by Grateful Dead"). Virtually every time the band's name appears in prose, "the" precedes it, so why not in the infobox?  Two Hearted River  ( paddle /  fish ) 03:27, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm all for "Studio album by Grateful Dead". The infobox contains summary information, not prose.  And like I said, "Grateful Dead" is the official name of the band, plus that's the way it is in the infobox of most of the Grateful Dead album articles. — Mudwater (Talk) 04:02, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
 * It contains summary information rendered in prose (i.e. the ordinary language people use in speaking or writing – "Studio album by the Grateful Dead" and not "Album type: studio; Artist: Grateful Dead"). That "the" is not capitalized tells the reader it's not part of the band name. And we both know it doesn't matter how it's done on other Grateful Dead album articles – if the consensus is to change it, we'll apply the changes everywhere they're applicable.  Two Hearted River  ( paddle /  fish ) 04:14, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

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North Dakota State University Seal
Hello, I was wondering if there is a reason you changed the NDSU seal from the official full color seal to a black and white seal? thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.87.73.30 (talk) 06:39, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I replaced the color version because it was 1) outdated, as evidenced by the "1890-1990" near the top, and 2) a jpg image and not the preferred svg format. If I come across a usable color version of the current seal, I'll replace the b&w.  Two Hearted River  ( paddle /  fish ) 12:41, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
Aaron  &bull; You Da  One 19:30, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I have seen your replies and the latest version of the article. My opposition to FA promotion stands based on criteria 1a. Also, given that your attempts to address reviewers' concerns with as little work as possible has led to your introducing sourcing errors, I think all of your references need to be scrutinized if we could ever get past 1a.  Two Hearted River  ( paddle /  fish ) 20:25, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
 * They are fine. Unless you can give me examples, then you have nothing to back up that reasoning. And I'm highly offended by your "attempts to address reviewers' concerns with as little work as possible" comment. Aaron  &bull; You  Da  One 20:30, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The nomination has failed five times already, so forgive me for being unmoved by your taking offense. Here's an example of an unsupported claim: that "Na na na c'mon" is the hook. Reference [11] doesn't support it, so it's original research at the moment.  Two Hearted River  ( paddle /  fish ) 20:57, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Do you think 5 FACs is a lack of work? I've made some 800+ edits to the article, that's hard a lack of work. Aaron  &bull; You  Da  One 20:59, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Your comments are the most ridiculous ones I have ever seen on music-related articles. Sorry but someone had to tell you this. You know nothing about music and yet you do everything to come across as the "Mr. Know It All About Music". One day you might see Barack Obama on the streets; you will approach him and ask, "What proof do you have that you are Barack Obama?" He will then show you his ID and you will say, "Well, you could have falsified it".

I am telling you for the last time. Leave me alone. I beg you. Stop following everything I do. Please. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 19:27, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

While the conflict of interest is unfortunate, I do feel the source concerns you've raised are of consideration. I see Jivesh has retrieved interest in resolving those and your other comments, so I hope you can work with him and even support the promotion in due course. In any case, I do hope I haven't overstepped any bounds in my response on the FAC, and wish the both of you good luck  Auree   ★ ★  06:35, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you Auree. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 07:58, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Appeal to reason
Hello, I noticed that you had an recent encounter with a certain user who insists on getting his way despite often being proven wrong and that you were successful in achieving the correct outcome.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Northern_Illinois_University&action=history

I implore you to please review this page and correct the biased slant of this user. He is an ISU alumn/fan posing as an NIU alum in order to purposefully and maliciously vandalize the NIU page.

Here is an excerpt of a previous discussion: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:EdJohnston/Archive_24#NIU)

The most damning evidence is that I caught this user in a direct contradiction and detailed it in the linked/attached message where he agrees that there should only be one or two rankings in the section but he insists on listing a "ranking" in the ACADEMICS section that is obviously NOT an Academic Ranking.

A review of his history will show that he is condescending and attempts to deflect from the actual topic being discussed when he is wrong and simply just outlasts those of us who have actual things to do with our time. He portrays himself as someone whose expertise shouldn't be challenged and tries to belittle you if you disagree instead of having a true exchange. He attempted this with me, assuming that he is somehow more qualified to edit the article than I, when I was a professional EDITOR before and I am sure he has never been one, other than in his warped mind.

I write now because I noticed that someone else recently tried to erase his obvious biased slant from the article and he's back at it again. He is the reason why Wikipedia is losing the battle of credibility.

Thank you.

EXCERPT:

The ISU fanatical booster user (HuskyHuskie) has done it again and put back his biased language. Formula = neutral statement (comma) biased editorial. Per WP:BOOSTER (an essay), the rankings should be presented neutrally and without undue weight. Undue Weight - i.e. "NIU is ranked as a National University by the U.S. News & World Report, where it typically places in the fourth quartile". This entire sentence should be deleted and the section should begin at the next sentence with "In the most recent..." The Forbes "rankings" are not academic rankings (as I've stated in previous entries regarding this case, they are "value rankings" that take into account cost of total attendance at the schools and have no direct correlation to the value of education provided by the school) and should be stricken, but if they are allowed the biased editorializing needs to go. Per WP:BOOSTER (an essay), the rankings should be presented neutrally and without undue weight. Undue Weight - i.e. "Forbes magazine, which does not separate small liberal arts colleges from large universities in its rankings, places NIU as #610 of 650 colleges and universities on its list, the lowest ranking assigned by Forbes to any public college in Illinois". - "which does not separate small liberal arts colleges from large universities in its rankings" this is interjected editorial meant to give legitimacy to these non-rankings. - "of 650 colleges and universities on its list, the lowest ranking assigned by Forbes to any public college in Illinois." Again this is ALL undue weight trying to frame the numerical ranking towards the User's biased slant. This type of editorial is missing from the other rankings, why is this the only "ranking" that is presented with undue weight, which tries to facilitate the potential for it to be interpreted as negative. If the user feels so strongly about the Forbes listings that he feels the need to include them here and even punch them up with his undue editorial, then why has he not included these Forbes listing in the other University pages that he contributes to, namely ISU and U of I? Also, if he is so inclined to keep the IL Academic world so current, than why have the ISU rankings not been updated to reflect the new USNWR rankings that shows ISU dropping 6 slots? Could it be that this doesn't weigh towards his bias and therefore gets conveniently overlooked? As I've expressed previously, this user has an agenda that is opposite of what he is portraying in order to better disguise his obvious bias. To equate what I did (edit a biased article to a neutral tone) with what the other user is doing (deliberately and repeatedly editing with a biased agenda) is ridiculous. Keep an eye on future edits to this article, I am sure you will see users who have never even heard of the University chime in (it probably has already started). I assure you that these "random" editors are the other user's acquaintances. Please UNDO his undue weight and BLOCK him from further edits to the "Northern Illinois University" page. Thank you. Tigerwiki2 (talk) 13:56, 31 October 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tigerwiki2 (talk • contribs) 12:34, 31 October 2011 (UTC) "And inquiring minds want to know why a brand new editor would refer to the Manual of Style in his fourth edit, and know how to use the 3RR noticeboard. EdJohnston (talk) 05:15, 31 October 2011 (UTC)" -"And inquiring minds want to know why a brand new editor would refer to the Manual of Style in his fourth edit" - what is befuddling about this? -"and know how to use the 3RR noticeboard" - I was made aware of it by the other user or subsequent interactions that came when I tried to initially report him. Evidently, I posted in the wrong area, because I didn't know (still don't) about the wikipedia's procedures. If you cannot be impartial, how do I go about getting an administrator who can be to look at this case? Tigerwiki2 (talk) 13:56, 31 October 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tigerwiki2 (talk • contribs) 12:44, 31 October 2011 (UTC) User HuskyHuskie has user Moxy to edit war with him. I am sure this is against the rules. PLEASE BLOCK both of them and address my earlier comments regarding the undue weighted language used by the first user AND/OR refer me to an impartial administrator who can handle this situation in a more appropriate manner. Tigerwiki2 (talk) 15:22, 31 October 2011 (UTC) TigerWiki2, I'm leaving you a message here since you don't seem to be responding to the ones on your talk page. Stop asking for other editors to be blocked and start discussing your edits on the article's talk page. Dayewalker (talk) 15:26, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Bottom Line: Neutrality. I am neutral in my edits the user: HuskyHuskie is not. Please review the history.

All ”rankings” are BS. If it were up to me, I’d jettison the whole section. But at the very least the Forbes listings should be done away with. I cannot state this any more clearly: these are NOT ACADEMIC RANKINGS.

From Wikipedia: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_and_university_rankings#Forbes_College_rankings)

"Forbes College rankings

In 2008, Forbes.com began publishing an annual list, prepared by the Center for College Affordability and Productivity[96] of "America's Best Colleges".[97] The Forbes rankings use the list of alumni published in Who's Who in America, student evaluations from RateMyProfessors.com, self-reported salaries of alumni from PayScale, four-year graduation rates, numbers of students and faculty receiving "nationally competitive awards," and four-year accumulated student debt to calculate the rankings.[98] The list emphasizes tuition costs, which boosts the ratings of the zero-cost United States Service academies. It disregards subjective measures such as public reputation, which causes some Ivy League colleges to score lower than in other lists."

How is this an Academic measure? Answer: It is NOT.

From the NIU Discussion page: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Northern_Illinois_University#Which_rankings.3F)

"As an unbiased editor with no connection to NIU, might I suggest a compromise? Most schools include some type of ranking/recognition in the lead. But it's important to just keep it to one or two of the recognitions you think are the most prestigious. In my opinion, I really like the Carnegie Foundation and the Universities Research Association/Fermi info as they show NIU's relevance in academia while adding great forks to other articles. The other rankings such as being a "National University" and misc rankings, I think, belong in the ranking section below. Hope this helps. -- Iksnyrk (talk) 21:45, 9 May 2011 (UTC)"

Here the other user agrees with this statement recommending one or two listed rankings: “Thank you, Iksnyrk, for your neutral suggestion. I must first of all say that I agree that such listings of rankings be kept to a minimum.”

From this same section: It seems that the other user and I agree on the point that the USNWR should not be included but since they are the “granddaddy of all rankings” we acquiesce to them being included.

Also from this same section: “Hey, I'll take that "research" ranking and include it in the article, because it's both prestigious and significant.”

The user acknowledges the significance of research rankings. Those would be the WM rankings.

This brings the total of listed rankings to the earlier agreed upon two.

Going from the discussion page, consensus seems to have been reached with a rankings list that includes the USNWR and WM rankings; however, the other user insists on continuously injecting the non-academic Forbes rankings in the “Academic Rankings” section for no comprehensible reason other than he is just being extremely obstinate and parochial.

Again, PLEASE UNDO the biased and superfluous Forbes "rankings" from the "Academic Rankings" section and PLEASE BLOCK user: HuskyHuskie from the Northern Illinois University page. Tigerwiki2 (talk) 18:24, 31 October 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tigerwiki2 (talk • contribs)

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Mitch McGary
I believe I have addressed your concerns regarding Mitch McGary.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:25, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Is there any remaining concern?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:03, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Ping.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:10, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Looks good to me.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:03, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

BHG
I have addressed everything so far here. I hope you will get back before the FAC is archived. Jivesh 1205 (Talk) 18:34, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Please Help
I truly would appreciate your help with the user/issue I detailed in an earlier entry.

Please, please, please when you find the time help.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tigerwiki2 (talk • contribs) 13:51, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm trying to limit my involvement in the administrative side of Wikipedia so that I can focus on contributing content, so I won't be helping you out here. Sorry.  Two Hearted River  ( paddle /  fish ) 18:15, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

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Arkansas Tech University
Thanks for your minor edits, but I am starting to notice this article was mostly copied from the Arkansas Tech website, especially the description of the halls and other things. I go to this school so I am very sad at this state of the article, but not sure how to really tackle this. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 05:06, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Featured article candidates/Everything That Happens Will Happen Today/archive4
Please take a look As you can see, I've done this three times before and I really want it to pass now and you helped promote it before. In previous attempts, it didn't because of lack of interest--do you know how I can get anyone else involved to say yay or nay? Thanks. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:03, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Excellent Even negative feedback is appreciated. As you can see, it's been peer reviewed once and still not passed FA. I'm willing to believe that it's not featured quality at the moment, but I would hope that anyone else can appreciate that it's close and that I have put forth a lot of effort in getting it there--I'm willing to do what it takes. If you want to put the FA on hold for peer review, I'll happily amend the article as you see fit. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:03, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The article is close, and I'm confident we can get it there. I suspect the nomination will just be closed and you'll have to renominate, but no matter. You'll start the next one with a support vote right off the bat.  Two Hearted River  ( paddle /  fish ) 22:44, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Peer review Peer review/Everything That Happens Will Happen Today/archive2. Please have at it. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:32, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

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Talkback
Aaron  &bull; You Da  One 12:04, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

RE Missing My Baby at FAC
The article just received a copy-edit by User:Stfg. Please revisit article to see if the prose has now been satisfied. Best, Jona  talk to me  16:57, 13 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Hello, Two Hearted River. I fixed some things in the prose and asked what other issues you see. My question is here. Do you plan to reply? It would be a great help if you could be more specific about whatever problems you see in the prose. Regards, --Stfg (talk) 10:51, 17 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I've seen your reply there declining further discussion. Yes, the FAC may fail for the reasons you indicate. But you criticised the prose and said "I suggest finding another set of eyes to go over the text", implying you judge that I am unable to address the issues. You don't know me well enough to make that judgement. Seems to me that you made a generic criticism that you weren't prepared to back up with specifics. Seems to me that if you want to criticise people's work, you should be able to back it up. --Stfg (talk) 14:23, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for stopping by to state your inferences.  Two Hearted River  ( paddle /  fish ) 15:17, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

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