User talk:Twofingered Typist/Archives/2017/July

Thank you!
Thanks so much for taking on the Double Dare article for copy editing! I'm already excited by the updates and look forward to its completion. — 'Chad1m EmailTalk Cont. 04:27, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

March for Science Portland
You may or may not be interested in revisiting the March for Science Portland article, which you reviewed because of my GOCE request, but the article has undergone some changes as the result of its Good article nomination. I don't really agree with all of the requested changes, but I'm trying to play ball. If you care to take a look at the Good article review, or quickly read over the article to see if any of your changes need to be reverted, feel free. I'm on the fence re: "around 11pm" vs. "at about 11pm" and similar. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:49, 12 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Wow!!!! I've never seen anything quite like this! I think most of the requested wording changes were nothing more than stylistic and were completely unnecessary. Ditto with the "about"s, "around"s, "amid"s etc... I put Gabe Sheoships' tribal affiliation back in the article. This is not "too much" or "too confusing" for any intelligent reader and is important for context. Your patience is/was admirable!!

(I see you were "burned" by some dead links. I'm sure I suggested archiving URLs way back when. I know it takes a bit of time but it's certainly worth it when the source is non-news.)

If you would like to see a jarring contrast check this "review" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Yodel_It!/GA1 and then have a quick look at the article's history and how much work had to be done to bring it to GA. I can't tell you how many GOCE requests I've edited,  already reviewed and listed as GAs, that were anything but. As there's nothing that can be done, I grit my teeth, as I'm sure you have in this case, and move on!

All the best Twofingered Typist (talk) 13:21, 13 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks for taking another look. Yeah, I didn't love all the requests, but hopefully the article is still of quality. And yes, unfortunately 2 URLs were dead. I really had no idea they could 'die' so soon, and not be accessible via the Wayback Machine. Lesson learned. If only archiving URLs wasn't so time-consuming, or bots could take care of the archiving on our behalf. Anyways, I don't think it would be appropriate to request another copy edit from GOCE, but if you see any other changes to make to March for Science Portland, your help would be much appreciated. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:30, 13 July 2017 (UTC)


 * I think the article is still fine and of GA quality. Twofingered Typist (talk) 14:40, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Re archiving links, I haven't used it yet, but I think you can submit pages to InternetArchiveBot, and it will archive the links for you. I just submitted Charles Ellet Jr. to the bot via the easy interface. If you look at that page's history, you may see a visit by the bot that shows it archiving some links. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:39, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Ohh, this might be very helpful. I'll try using this tool soon. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:00, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I just submitted a test request using the 4 articles I've promoted to Featured article status, to see what happens. Thanks again for the lead! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:04, 13 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks for this!! I used the bot on the article in question and it archived 16 URLs in no time at all.Twofingered Typist (talk) 16:07, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
 * How long did it take for the bot to do its work after you submitted a request? I submitted one, but so far no changes to any of the 4 articles I included in my request. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:12, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
 * As you can see above, it took a matter of perhaps 10-15 seconds to archive March for Science in Portland. Have a look at the article's history where I "added" 3006 bytes and you can see what the bot does. It appears that the Bot searches the Wayback Machine and when it finds an archived version of the URL places it in the citation. I assume it archives those it cannot find. I've done a number of other articles - some with as many as 90 URLs - and the speed has been impressive. It presents you with a list of archived URLs on the right hand side of the scree. You can then check the article's history and see the changes. I'm a rural dweller getting my Internet through a cell tower so the speed certainly isn't attributable to that! Twofingered Typist (talk) 18:01, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
 * My job, #495, is still queued after about 30 hours. I didn't see any information in the FAQ about how long one could expect to wait. It sounds like TT may be using some sort of interactive interface. If so, where is that? I must have missed a link. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:20, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Here it is https://tools.wmflabs.org/iabot/index.php?page=runbotqueue - which I got to from the link you provided. If you're logged into WP, click login, answer yes to the bot when it asks to interact, at the next screen click on "run bot" at the top of the page, paste the article name on the line "page title to analyze", check archive box, and run. I just ran the bot for the article I'm working on now and it took about 30 seconds to finish. Hope this helps you both. Twofingered Typist (talk) 18:34, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * You're very welcome. Happy to help. Twofingered Typist (talk) 11:27, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Copyedits
I took a look at Nordahl Grieg and made some changes. Lfstevens (talk) 07:16, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for looking at this for me. Twofingered Typist (talk) 11:57, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Random question
Is the template you add after copy editing an article mandatory in the Guild of Copy Editors, or optional? Resident Evil 7: Biohazard received a copy editing from the Guild but did not get this template. –Cognissonance (talk) 23:44, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
 * The instructions for those doing copy edits for the GOCE say:

"Please consider adding the templates on the talk page of articles you have copy edited and to the talk page of the requester."

So it's not mandatory to indicate a c/e has been done by a GOCE member but I think it's a courtesy to let the person requesting the edit know it's been done and it's helpful to tag the article's talk page. I'd suggest you ask the individual concerned if they would mind adding the tag to the article's talk page so that it form's part of the "history" of it.Twofingered Typist (talk) 11:42, 26 July 2017 (UTC)