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Proposed deletion of D.C. United – Philadelphia Union rivalry


The article D.C. United – Philadelphia Union rivalry has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * No assertion of notability and no reliable sources verifying the actual existence of this supposed rivalry. A list of game results is not sufficient.

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Nomination of D.C. United – Philadelphia Union rivalry for deletion
The article D.C. United – Philadelphia Union rivalry is being discussed concerning whether it is suitable for inclusion as an article according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/D.C. United – Philadelphia Union rivalry until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. JohnInDC (talk) 21:38, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
 * (I think it's just too soon, after 2 games, to add this as a standalone article.) JohnInDC (talk) 21:39, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Your contributed article, History of Seattle Sounders


Hello, I notice that you recently created a new page, History of Seattle Sounders. First, thank you for your contribution; Wikipedia relies solely on the efforts of volunteers such as you. Unfortunately, the page you created covers a topic on which we already have a page - Seattle Sounders FC. Because of the duplication, your article has been tagged for speedy deletion. Please note that this is not a comment on you personally and we hope you will to continue helping improve Wikipedia. If the topic of the article you created is one that interests you, then perhaps you would like to help out at Seattle Sounders FC - you might like to discuss new information at the article's talk page.

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 * The problem is that the history of the club is, or can be, covered quite competently within the three already existing articles describing the clubs with this name. A fourth article to consolidate and repeat the information is just redundant.  JohnInDC (talk) 02:32, 9 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Thomas, are you planning to flesh out this article soon? It's pretty thin right now and I'm thinking that it might make sense to turn it into a redirect to one of the other pages until it has some actual content.  Let me know.  Thanks.  JohnInDC (talk) 12:35, 18 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I'll work on it soon. The idea behind the Seattle Sounders page was to serve the same purpose of the Portland Timbers and Vancouver Whitecaps' pages. I feel it would be easier if someone was to research the history of the club name and franchises of the NASL, USL, etc. if they had one page to go to, rather than three. Twwalter (talk) 15:21, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Just a thought
Thomas - I am feeling bad about proposing deletion of your articles, reverting changes etc. that you've obviously spent a lot of time on -- but several of them are just a bit ahead of themselves, and it might be a good idea to think a little harder about making a change before going ahead and doing it. The DC United / Philadelphia Union article is a real good example. I'm sure that, by virtue of their proximity, those two teams will be at each others' throats for years to come; but as of right now, after one season, there *is* no rivalry, and an article discussing it is simply premature. Likewise those changes to the MLS table. If the outlook for 2011 is uncertain, then leave things as they were in 2010 and maybe just add something short about the uncertainty. Take a look at, for example, WP:Crystal which explains some of this in more detail. Likewise with that MLS table; you are obviously a student of the game, and of the league, but don't add information simply because you can compile it. Particularly when it isn't sourced, for instance, "first year in the top tier". Setting aside whether that level of detail is desirable, do we know, for instance, that the team now calling itself the Portland Timbers is the same team (whatever that means) that played in the NASL in 1975? Or is it just a new bunch of people hoping to capitalize on the friendly associations that people have with the old NASL name? I think you're an energetic and valuable editor but you will be a better one still, the more you try to ensure that your contributions make sense within the policies of Wikipedia. Sorry for carrying on so long, and I hope you take this in the friendly spirit in which it is offered. JohnInDC (talk) 22:27, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, please, don't make edits that aren't supported by sources, or which stretch sources beyond what they say. I would love to see a dual championship in MLS (playoff and record) but as of now there is only one.  You shouldn't say, as you did in the MLS article, that there are two.  (Particularly since this was discussed in detail on the Talk page.)  And, while relegation would bring MLS into line with the rest of the world (and would make for a much more interesting late season), the article you cited for the proposition that it was "eventually" coming said in fact that relegation was "not on the horizon" because the US lacks a financially viable second-tier league.  That pretty squarely places the notion in the "wish list" category!  Thanks -  JohnInDC (talk) 00:55, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
 * That doesn't mean we dismiss it. If he says he would like it, that means he would like it. It doesn't mean it's a "wish list" category. Twwalter (talk) 03:12, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure, say that he likes the ideas - in the abstract - if it's not too tangential, being just his personal view. The problem is with language implying that relegation is an eventuality for MLS, something slated one day for its future, when in the very same article Garber says he doesn't see it "on the horizon", i.e, any time that he can foresee.   If there is a plan to adopt a system of relegation for MLS, cite to the plan.  If there's no plan *and* if a system of relegation requires circumstances not today in existence, then I think it is entirely fair to describe it as a wish.  JohnInDC (talk) 02:38, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Best solution is to just talk about short terms plans in that aspect? Twwalter (talk) 15:19, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, if there *are* long-term plans, then I think it'd be fine to talk about them. The whole relegation issue as it relates to MLS is an interesting subject.  The problem is that right now, as best I can tell, there are no plans, as such, to move to a system involving relegation; and any discussion of it as something that is *going* to happen falls somewhere between "premature" and "wishful thinking".  JohnInDC (talk) 15:29, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

If you are going to remove it as invalid I am happy to start reverting on sight as vandalism. You could have just taken the advice. Have fun.Cptnono (talk) 05:14, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * It was unnecessary advice based upon invalid presumptions. There was no vandalism used. Claiming that the MLS Cup finals is an event of the MLS Playoffs is far from vandalism. Unless of course there's a policy I'm breaching, which I've yet to find. Twwalter (talk) 15:19, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

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Hoofdklasse (Suriname)
Hi, you made a series of edits to this article a month or so ago, and whilst the additions overall appear to be useful they have not been sourced, and ineed the one in-line citation that was in the article has now been removed. Can you add some in-line citations for your edits. Thanks. Eldumpo (talk) 11:53, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

2011 Columbus Crew season - CONCACAF Champions League roster
Hello, I removed this section from the article as it is repetitive and unnecessary. If you think it has merit, I'd be more than happy to talk about it. Thanks! chr1st  mistakes were made  21:22, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Thomas, I saw that you've replaced the section I had reverted without joining in the discussion. I'd really like to discuss the addition of this section with you. Hopefully we can talk in the next few days and come to an understanding. Thanks! chr1st  mistakes were made  06:22, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

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