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Welcome to WikiProject Europe
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A Question
Oo, well I think if it is "free" then it should be okay, but like images we can't just have permission to use on Wikipedia but for all third parties (pref. under GNU licence). However regardless, with text it is easy to get around the whole issue with a quick copyedit, I'll help with that if you want as I have an interest in the topic. - J Logan t: 07:09, 11 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Totally, no copyright on information, just the prose. Shouldn't be much of a problem to rewrite it unless there is an awful lot. If you do find there is too much information, just do the basics and leave the link there and people can expand it over time. - J Logan t: 08:47, 11 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh yeah, should be no problem turning them into stubs, hardly got any information. I don't have the time to help right now, but I'll help out as soona s I can on starting the pages up. But I'd suggest a second source be found to fatten them out a bit, I think Amnesty have some good pages. - J Logan t: 16:29, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

About the film "thruth in numbers: the wikipedia story"
Hello U5K0

I created the article about the film on the French language edition on last May and till today nobody has contested its existence. You talk about the strictness of the English Wikipedia's guidelines, but actually I'm not completely sure. Maybe we've keep it on the French version just because there isn't so much people contributing on our project compared to the English one. So I think the more the community is important and the more the chances having people contesting articles or statements are higher. Maybe I'm wrong and maybe you're right, I admit this subjects are questionable.

But as for your article (I mean the article you created, I know it's not actually yours), maybe we can move it to the Wikipedia namespace till the day the film will become famous enough to be on the main namespace (I think it will happen some days before its release, when television and radio stations will talk about it). That's what I did for OmegaWiki which is not yet enough notable to be in the main namespace. 16@r 13:33, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I can do do it for you right now. 16@r 13:44, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
 * voilà: Truth in Numbers: The Wikipedia Story 16@r 13:50, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Truth in numbers, etc.: Please don't create links from the article space into internal wikipedia's namespaces. `'Míkka 18:21, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately Wikipedia:Truth in Numbers: The Wikipedia Story does not have enough independent reputable references, so I canot tell you whether it may be made into "real" article. Please keep in mind that blogs, wikis, forums, YouTube, personal websites, etc. do not count towards independent reliable sources. Plus there is a rule Wikpedia is not a crystal ball, and to describe a future event it must be ironclad planned (e.g., releases by major film sturios) or generate significant buzz. The wikipedia story is hardly notable yet, judging by mere 157 unique google hits. In other words, the text does not address the objections stated during the deletion. Anyway, as you may decide this is my opinion only. The place for broad disussisons of the restoration of deleted articles is WP:DRV. `'Míkka 21:56, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Venezuela
Hey, are you Nic? John?, I need to find one of them regarding the opportunity to visit Venezuela for the V WorldWide Free Knowledge Forum. contact me asap please :)DamianFinol 13:58, 28 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I tried, but that email bounced. DamianFinol 14:16, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Trying that one, thank you!DamianFinol 15:07, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

re:Truth in numbers article assesment
Hi. The article is pretty good, except for a few things. Parts of it need to be a tad more NPOV. Also, youtube links and other wiki-sites should not be in the refs. Also, I'd prefer a description rather than a directly copy-and-pasted caption for each segment of the video. It would also be a good idea to include a template on the top that this is a sandbox article rather than a full-fledged real article. It'd be good if we got more people to collabrate. Luckily, that video that is displayed at the top on some computers informs people about the documentary. Unfortuneately, a lot of people might only be searching in mainspace and might not find it as easily. I'd suggest a Requests for Feedback to help you get more opinions about how good the article is. I may have been on Wikipedia for more than a year now, but I've still got a lot of learning to do as well. Thanks. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 00:16, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Image:Mars express.jpg
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ESA images
I did it in the easiest way, when I uploaded the image I select any policy and later edit the image to choose the correct one (that you can find in the ESA website or editing the image and coping the codes). Onsly 05:28, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject:Europe/Slovenia
Hi! I see your first language is Slovene. I invite you to join WikiProject Europe/Slovenia. --Eleassar my talk 08:21, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

ESA History, ESRO
I can't envisage any, so long as you can fill out the article fully I don't see why there would be any problems with it.- J Logan t: 19:50, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
 * If its a week, best create it in your userspace first.- J Logan t: 19:52, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

It's sad to say, but the current ESRO text is likely to be deemed an unacceptable copyright violation. The source copyright holder is ESA. For images (at least) ESA does not permit wikipedia to use their copyrighted material in articles. At a minimum, this use on wikipedia requires review by someone more familiar with the issues than I. (sdsds - talk) 18:37, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

ESA article update...
Hello Any reason why you reverted the small update I had done to the ESA article? As far as I know the official "working languages" of ESA are English and French; ESRIN is the European Space Research Institute which presently is the ESA centre for Earth Observation... anything incorrect about this? Note that I'm only trying to understand the reason not trying to start an argument or a flame war... :)

Thornc (talk) 18:33, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

ESA-stub
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ESRO pictures
Here is the translation: ''As usually said, all pictures used on this website are in the public domain unless otherwise stated or if I’m not mistaken. All texts belongs (all rights reserved, as usually said) to Didier Capdevilla. The only aim of this web site is to spread knowledge and is by no mean a commercial web site. Information can be reused only on the condition that authors are cited and they have been informed.'' 16@r (talk) 10:44, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

ESA task force
Well Template:WikiProject Europe has to be updated with a taskforce option for ESA, put a request on its talk page if you can't do it yourself (I can't, well I could try but I'll bugger something up). Category that and infrastructure though comes a poor second to the most important thing: members. Get those on the ESA article, WP:EUR and the Space WikiProjects to sign up and worry about details of the pages later - they'd probably help you.- JLogant: 11:19, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the kind invitation to join your ESA taskforce. Unfortunately, my "expertise" (and I use the term loosely) is in the "Space Race," starting at the end of WWII through the end of NASA's Apollo program. I know very little about the Space Shuttle program (except that it was doomed from the start, given the way the Orbiter was whittled down by Congressional penny-pinchers, and I know next to nothing about the ESA. So I should decline your kind invitation, as I am wholely unqualified to contribute.  Thank you, however, for the kind invitation.  Jim Simmons (talk) 15:31, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the invite to ESA task force. I will certainly watch what you put together with interest as I have always been interested in anything to do with exploration of space. My main expertize comes from my older relatives work in the USA during the cold war, so I see the ESA as new child, belonging to some other parents. Good luck. Saltysailor (talk) 06:42, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the invitation, but I will have to hold off from joining your t/f at this time. I've cut down on my wiki editing, and just monitoring a handful of my previous articles and interests. Best regards, Lance.... LanceBarber (talk) 03:46, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the invite, I will be glad to help in anyway I can I have no one specific area of expertise but pride myself on research skills and logical ideas. Skeletor 0 (talk) 17:53, 3 September 2008 (UTC) 

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DYK
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File source problem with File:European Space Agency tight.png
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 * Ok I sorted it out, to add information about license just go to the image page and hit edit. When you make derivatives of other images found on Wikipedia or Commons you need to make sure you first of all link to the original and attribute the author of the image. Secondly you need to comply with the license terms the original image was released under, in case of the GFDL or CC-BY-SA license this means that you need to release the derivative under the same license. This one was dual licensed so you could have chosen either one of the two licenses, but as long as it's still used here on Wikipedia we might as well dual license the result as well by complying with both licenses (for people using the image on another site it's more convenient to just pick the CC license for example, but here we already have the full text of the license handy and such so no extra hassle).

Seal hunt
>-| remember this?--U5K0 (talk) 00:38, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Truth in Numbers
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Talkback
Colds7ream (talk) 21:17, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

I just felt a need to thank you for the assistance, i managed to miss that on top, as also modules, and some other things and now i have similar problem : - Do you have to make a page for redirection to work ? If i have a page 'one', do i have to make a page 'two', or just define redirection to work on 'two' to 'one' ? --ThorX (talk) 21:41, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

About links in title sections : what are the objections ? It is much easier to navigate, and it allows you access to two levels of complexity in one spot. My only concern is Cupola, because i missed it somehow, and i don't have idea what to put in the Cupola section as an excuse for it's existence ..--ThorX (talk) 13:32, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you have a solution that would allow me not to scroll up 3 or 4 pages ? I agree in the principle, there might be a problem with various implementations. Point taken. Can we now watch it, and let it annoy us, until we find a solution without getting lost in the process ?--ThorX (talk) 13:42, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I did that, because i hoped i could get rid of modules list at the beginning, and missed Cupola. There is also talk about more planned modules, and before both of those are up, they will be info, no more rumour. I will stay away for a couple of hours, just in case :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by ThorX13 (talk • contribs) 13:54, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Makes sense. I can't really stay away, but will hover above the experiments, NASA part with prepared references. Could you check a bit ESA experiments and science ? I will keep massing data from NASA and Energia - there are already some experiments with articles, and now it's almost possible to link one name to another .. --ThorX (talk) 14:09, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

I think, that the worst is behind us. Just a bit more shoveling.--ThorX (talk) 14:19, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Please consider a table, no more sorting. Location should be just one field in the facility record. If we sort them by modules, it will be hard to follow where they are, since this things move around a lot. NASA has a special team, just to follow them, if i remember correctly. We don't. Think about it, i will too, we must find a very compact solution, with close to zero maintenance. Plus someone might come with the idea of different sorting, and we will have a mess. I like it the way it is, for now, you did a great job, don't overdo it, perhaps some tweaking, if it is possible, and if it makes sense, be gentle --ThorX (talk) 01:56, 22 March 2010 (UTC) About links in title: how about some prose under title, like 'ISS Module Columbus is a main ESA science facility'. Word ordering is intentionally and purposely changed to give it a flow. Nuff talk..--ThorX (talk) 02:11, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Hardware, or anything else, should be grouped from an atom up. In case of hardware that would be facility, so hierarchy goes like ISS/module/rack/facility/experiment, and this is also structure for the table i'm after - no more sections, we are already two levels deep, bad enough, but at least it is levelled. I'll chew more on this, while dumping in experiments ..--ThorX (talk) 02:41, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Very nice job with the last addition of ESA experiments. You might have noticed normalized new article title pattern, which goes like this - ABBREVIATION (ISS Experiment). Some experiments already started to link, i expect more of that to happen in the future. We will solve ambiguity problems on a case per case bases, not that many, if  there is (ISS Experiment) addition to the title. I would recommend similar approach to new articles in facilities section, like (ISS Facility), exact word doesn't matter, we can do mass search and replace later, as long as it differs from anything else. I will finish with NASA, and then look into it.--ThorX (talk) 05:09, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

This seams to be working :) Can you please check this talk ? --ThorX (talk) 05:28, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Name change for Research and Science on ISS
Very bad idea, and i would really wish, you would talk before doing something like this next time. It ruins search results on web search engines. Don't do such things anymore. --ThorX13 (talk) 10:01, 4 April 2010 (UTC) This might be an inspiration, of what to do, if you feel like doing something: --ThorX13 (talk) 10:23, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * ExPRESS Rack 1
 * ExPRESS Rack 2A
 * ExPRESS Rack 3A
 * ExPRESS Rack 4
 * ExPRESS Rack 5
 * ExPRESS Rack 6
 * and don't forget, there's a ExPRESS Rack program too

btw, it took me an hour or so, to undo most of your 'help', and about half an hour to make a new article. --ThorX13 (talk) 16:57, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi U5K0, just took another look at this article and its many cleanup needs, and I've decided that I think the article move you made was the right one - if you'd like to open a discussion on the talk page, I'll happily back you up, and maybe we can form a consensus to move it, or, if you'd prefer, I can set up the discussion. Let me know! :-) Colds7ream (talk) 09:54, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
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Talkback
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Adding a description to one of your pictures
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Task forces and improving space coverage
Hi, as I'm sure you are probably aware the pace of improvement on space-related articles is very slow, there appears a very low participation-rate compared to the volume of related articles and there seems to be little coordination compared to other topics.

I was inspired part by your ESA task force and part by what other wikiprojects have done like WikiProject_Military_history to look at how we can improve participation in developing space-related articles (including of ESA).

Anyway I've laid out some opening thoughts over on WikiProject Space to see what people think, so I just wondered if you want to make some comments, Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Space

Thanks for reading. ChiZeroOne (talk) 10:56, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

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WikiProject Slovenia invite
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ISS
Brilliant picture addition to the page. It follows my advice as a leisurely person to other leisurely people who want to look busy. ' Wear gloves ! ' then you'll look like your working hard regardless of what your actually doing ! Penyulap  talk 09:02, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

I hope you won't mind, but I'd like to put the orbital debris pictures back, the picture of the debris in low earth orbit only has debris, and little else, the model from further away shows essentially the same thing plus the two rings of different inclinations around the geostationary positions, which illustrates the many comm-sats that we use in Geosync orbit, and the similar orbit on the solar plane, it may prompt further interest for the readers on that basis. But if you conduct a poll in the talkpage about it I'll keep it as whatever picture people on a whole like better. The other picture, I'll move back to the right hand side to keep the existing form of the entire page, where pictures are all on the right hand side. Penyulap  talk 18:27, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your ongoing assistance, if you do have an interest, do you know/can you find out, how to describe the second ring that is not used by the usual TV satellites ? i don't think it is their graveyard orbit, or maybe they drift into it due to some kind of tidal action, there is so much work to be done, I'd love your help if you are interested in orbital debris,. also, even if I do it myself, but have got pointers from you, I'll credit you with finding the information, as you can see in the edit summary already, I give credit where it's due. I don't know much about giving awards yet though, lol, I'm just too busy to find out !!! Penyulap  talk 19:53, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Hello again U5K0, it's good to have some ongoing help, I like your editing very much. I am concerned about the double photograph, I'm impressed with your knowledge about doing that sort of thing, but I am worried it will be a target for reversion by 'one click' editors. I have a vague recollection about uniformity within articles, and most everything needing to follow that uniformity unless wide consensus is reached on the talkpage first. You know I'm very agreeable to everyones suggestions, but i think other people will revert it, and rightly so, as it's contrary to the guidelines for editing. I have also been wondering how to accommodate all the additional photographs, but for now, until either you or I research the rules better, I think it's best you pop them back to the same way all the images are done... how do you feel about that? I think it sucks personally. But if we don't read up about the rules, we're victims of our own laziness.. lolz. Penyulap  talk 22:15, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Fair enough, lets leave it as it is for now, however I must insist on the captioning, there is a 'credit where it is due' clause of my own, the astrophotographer who took the photo through his telescope must have recognition, astrophotography fans may want to know his name and more about his work, thats only fair. I also asked him to review my original work, the addition of his image, captioning (and alt description for the blind, or thats what i think it's for), so I'll want those elements returned. Is that cool ?, would you like to do it, in a way that fits into your double picture format ? Penyulap  talk 00:46, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Hello again U5K0, I'm worried about some of the edits you've made, I'd like you to reconsider if you wouldn't mind, I'd like to add the following ideas for your consideration in deciding what you'd like to do...


 * The sightings sections and text are a natural flow-on from the education section, so teachers can find that information straight away. The cultural outreach section would stop some of them reading further, like a speedhump.


 * Talking to the pop or martha steward is not educational, and doesn't belong in that section, cultural outreach is one of the purposes, a small one, thats true, so it goes at the end of that section.


 * Just like you I'm not interested in reading about biology of lifeforms that can survive in outerspace, and it has nothing to do with the ISS, but some people are interested in that sort of thing, so the links are important for them to continue research after hearing about some lifeform that survived on the ISS. It's not for us, we think that stuff is a bore, it's for them. adding those links helps people find what they are looking for on wiki, there are many articles called orphans that are good articles, but nobody can find them, so they may as well not exist.

It's good to see your taking an interest in the ISS though, keep up the good work. see if you can find things to expand the sections I have started, some other editor(s) have identified my unfinished work there. Penyulap  talk 22:07, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm really glad that I can help keep your spirits up ! at the moment I'm having problems that prevent me from wanting to edit altogether, so I'm very glad I can be of help in some way. Don't give up, the future is bright !

Now, onto matters at hand,. about the new sections I made, when I did so, I had in mind material that isn't yet inside the article, stuff still to come, and really, I've completed work on the index, it will last in the format I last left it for a few years at least.

There are things that have nothing to do with education, like that twit martha steward i found, sorry, she's not my cup of tea, but she is appealing to many, popular, and like the pope, needs mentioning on that basis. So there are things that come under culture that are really diverse. Like the pope. And movies, songs, things like that referring to the ISS, it's all under cultural outreach. I didn't have any time to add links to those people, you could work there, also, if you can find any effective way to get google to find other famous people, or a list somewhere, you could pick out the ones that are famous, but please leave out boring ones like politicians, they all call the station and nobody wants to read about it, it's useless fluff. Besides famous people there are other things that go into that category, but I'll get to that later. You could find and add a video for a classroom linkup session. although you'd need to be prepared to ask for permission to have it released into the public domain, I've been doing that and I'm waiting on two responses and have had success with two others, and added them to wiki. All you need to do is write an email and ask them to release an image you want into the public domain, or give you one that they want to release. Just be polite, and explain that anyone from that time will be able to draw all over their work and so forth, I told Ralph kids would draw aliens on his pic for example. It wasn't the original one I asked for but it didn't matter as it does the job for that section. Anyhow, a classroom video of an ISS linkup as an example for teachers to know what to expect and so forth would be cool. See if you can get an overseas one, I was watching a Japanese one, the kids were all speaking in a foreign language (which was english) which is good because that's one more thing that they were learning in that class. Penyulap  talk 01:50, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for cropping the photograph for me ! Penyulap  talk 23:05, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

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