User talk:Ugen64/Archive 5

GAP Project
What the HELL are you doing?! WHY are you reverting to the copyright violation without discussion? RickK 05:43, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)

''Hello. Unless I am sadly mistaken, I don't see your name at all at Talk:GAP Project. – ugen64 05:44, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)''
 * Indeed. Though it is on the VfU page where CoolCat took it upon himself to reinsert the copyright violation in violation of VfU rules, and I have also made edit summaries explaining the reversion.  I do not understand what it is that I have done to make you an enemy.  Why is that?  RickK 05:48, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)

Requests for comment/RickK 3 - An RfC has been opened to document today's events. I think you're eligible to endorse it, being that you were involved. -- Netoholic @ 21:31, 2005 Jun 20 (UTC)

Abuse
I have never added anything to Wikipedia, never mind "nonsense". I have only ever removed things which are not based in fact. Please try to avoid personal attacks in future. 82.13.187.127 18:42, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Peers
Assuming that all the articles currently in Category Peers get into the proper subcategories, that seems fine. Do recall that some peers ought to be in multiple categories. john k 19:58, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

My suggestion would be they should get a category for all titles held at the highest level of peerage. For lesser peerages, these should only be mentioned when they give the person a seat in a different parliament. Thus, lesser Irish peerages before 1801, lesser Scottish peerages before 1707, lesser England/Great Britain/UK peerages for Scottish peers until 1963, and for Irish peers to the present (or 1999, I guess)...At any rate, something along those lines. john k 20:07, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hugh Fraser was created a baronet in 1961 and a life peer in 1964, so that's the source of the confusion. I'll thunk the article accordingly. Mackensen (talk) 00:37, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Ack, worse than I thought. The original Hugh Fraser was made a baronet and a hereditary peer (probably one of the last). He died in 1966. His son or grandson (son seems more likely) disclaimed the peerage, but was still a baronet. Mackensen (talk) 00:40, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Quality monitoring
Remember, after tagging a page as a copyvio, list it at WP:CP. I have a script i occasionally run that caught this one, so it's already been added--Duk 04:59, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Belated thanks, and other things
Thanks for supporting my RFA! A sad family situation occurred just at that time, so I haven't been able to spend as much time here as I would like, but I hope that will change soon. Also, happy birthday! And, what are you taking at Harvard? I'm signed up for a couple of classes there myself - a sociology class about the development of the modern nation-state, and a women's studies class about the role of the body in society. I might switch the sociology class for something else, I'm not sure. Anyway, welcome to Cambridge and have a great summer! FreplySpang (talk) 23:15, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Friendly Chat
Hey isn't it your Birthday? I believe I saw that posted somewhere the other day. Anyway if it is "HAPPY BIRTHDAY" and if it isn't then consider this an advanced or belated message. I know I sound kind of crazy. Your friend Marine 69-71 01:44, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Your user page
Ugen64, you got rid of almost everything on your user page. Is everything ok? 209.92.136.131 28 June 2005 12:52 (UTC)
 * I echo that question; I do hope you're OK and just taking a breather for a bit. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 29 June 2005 14:27 (UTC)

The last few weeks have seen too many people who hold my respect leave the project. I wouldn't have you be the next. We need people like you Ugen. Just keep your head low for a while, work on some articles, and ignore the wiki-politics. Best wishes, Mackensen (talk) 1 July 2005 00:25 (UTC)

Take a nice break, but please do return. (Come and visit me at Chicago!) &mdash; Dan | Talk 3 July 2005 23:17 (UTC)
 * It's prospie season! I hope you'll turn up eventually. Say hello if you do. Regards &mdash; Dan | Talk 05:38, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Please come back Jobe6 July 5, 2005 01:59 (UTC)

Concerned?
Are you still concerned about this user? I urge you to vote: Requests_for_adminship/Hedley_2. Dmn / &#1332;&#1396;&#1398; 1 July 2005 10:25 (UTC)

Comunlang VFD-2
You are receiving this notice due to a consideration that has come up during a VFD for the article Comunleng. As there was no clear consensus in Comunleng's previous VfD, it has been nominated again. We are notifying all participants of the original VFD. Please see Votes for deletion/Comunleng 2 for comments. The Literate Engineer 23:48, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

Welcome back?
I hope that I have the honor of welcoming you back. Mackensen (talk) 10:02, 22 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Come back, shane, come back! Ah, and are you still in Boston?  +sj +  19:47, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Bureaucratship
I'm letting you know that I've just nominated myself for bureaucratship for the second time. If you didn't care to know about this, I apologize for the inconvenience. Andre ( talk ) 02:38, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/European Union member states at the 2004 Summer Olympics
You might be interested to have a look. Regards --Pgreenfinch 15:37, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

You're missed
For your many contributions, of course, and also your excellent level-headedness. I hope to see you back soon. If you happen to read this anytime soon and feel like coming back for a brief moment, User:The Singing Badger is up for adminship. You and I both offered to nominate him/her for admin once (in fact, I think you offered twice), and right now there is some opposition. I never go ask people to vote on a candidate, but I thought in this case it might be appropriate to let you know, since you had intended to nominate Badger once upon a time. :-) Anyway, there my tale's told, and now I'll be going.  Best regards as always, Jwrosenzweig 17:59, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Popups tool
Congratulations on being made a bureaucrat! I thought you might like to know of a javascript tool that may help in your editing by giving easy access to many admin features. It's described at Tools. The quick version of the installation procedure for admins is to paste the following into User:/monobook.js: // User:Lupin/popups.js - please include this line

document.write(' ');

popupAdminLinks=true; Give it a try and let me know if you find any glitches or have suggestions for improvements! Lupin 02:35, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Wikijunior Solar System Needs You
Danny Wool has challenged us to get Wikijunior Solar System out to hurricane evacuees by October 32005. This is going to be tough!

You expressed interest in WikiJunior. Would you be willing now to join the push to get Wikijunior Solar System completed?

--SV Resolution(Talk) 16:00, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Requests for arbitration/Template/Workshop
You, or any Wikipedia user, can contribute your suggestions and comments to the /Workshop page of any active arbitration case. Comments on evidence or proposals can help in understanding the import of evidence and in refining proposals. Proposed principles, findings of fact, or remedies may be listed on /Proposed decision and form part of the final decision. Fred Bauder 19:38, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Advisory.
Please be more careful when closing V/AfDs. On reexamination of Missy Palmer's VfD, it was 5/2 in favor of merging, and the two keep votes were from an IP with one edit and, at the time, the other voter did not have more than 100 edits. Thank you, and have a good day. - A Link to the Past (talk) 22:33, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Welcome back!
I saw you made some edits recently. It's good to have you back. &amp;rarr;Raul654 06:10, 17 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Indeed, welcome back, and nice quotation, too. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 05:18, 19 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Yay! Mackensen (talk) 11:50, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Requests for adminship/Halibutt
Since you have supported me during my RfA, I wonder if you could review and comment on the RfA for Halibutt, the first person I have nominated myself. There seem to be a heated debate and votes of experienced, unbiased editors would be appreciated. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 16:58, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

I would like to express my thanks to all the people who took part in my (failed) RfA voting. I was both surprised and delighted about the amount of support votes and all the kind words! I was also surprised by the amount of people who stated clearly that they do care, be it by voting in for or against my candidacy. That's what Wiki community is about and I'm really pleased to see that it works. As my RfA voting failed with 71% support, I don't plan to reapply for adminship any more. However, I hope I might still be of some help to the community. Cheers! Halibutt 05:10, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

detectives, inc
Is there a reason you blanked Detectives, Inc? For now I am removing it from "candidates for speedy deletion," but feel free to blank it again if you meant to do so. Thanks, – ugen64 06:36, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Never mind, I just made it the redirect you had before. – ugen64 06:37, 8 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Hiya. Actually, the reason for it was because of my stupidty, or, to be fair, carelessness: I wrote up an entire article before noticing that I'd not only gotten the very title wrong (adding a comma where the logo doesn't have one) but on top of that, forgetting the period in "Inc."! As Bugs Bunny would call me, "What a maroon!" So, I can see creating a redirect from "Detectives, Inc." (with an incorrect comma but otherwise spelled correctly, and which someone might reasonably type in) but not so much from "Detectives, Inc" (which is just my sloppiness -- ironic, given how I dot my "i"s and cross my "t"s with the copiously annotated research).
 * Anyway, thanks for going there and for caring. I love putting these articles out into the ether, and it's nice to know someone's reading them. -- Tenebrae 15:16, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Fresno, Tolima
hi, don't want to start any kind of edit war, but this town already has an article at Fresno, Tolima, so the article Fresno (Tolima) is in the wrong name and it is simple usless information so it should be deleted, and without any sort of merging as it is completely usless, you might want to see the articles talk page, cheers. --mexaguil 02:11, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Cool--mexaguil 02:16, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

AFD & Speedy deletion
If you're going to speedy-delete a page, please check that there is no open WP:AFD on the subject. I've just spent a while clearing up deleted but unclosed AFDs, of which three or four had pages deleted by you. - SoM 13:57, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Babel
Could you consider adding this template to your userpage? It is very helpful in case translators are needed and such.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 15:11, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Semi-protection
I saw you just reverted vandalism on George W. Bush, and wondered what you thought about the proposals to curb what's going on there. If you have time, check out Semi-protection policy, and weigh in (there's something of a large discussion page, so be prepared. For a quick run-through of what's been said and done, see #rehashing) Hope to see you there. - Mys  e  kurity ( have you seen this? ) 22:00, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you
for the revert to my user page. - Taxwoman 22:34, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Player squad templates
Hi - I was wondering why you changed the first-team squad in Arsenal F.C. from using the existing set of templates to the alternate, non-template format? I personally disagree with it, not just because using templates is good practice, but it takes up more space on the page and adds irrelevant information (is a player's previous club(s) really relevant to the article about Arsenal?). But then, I don't want to arbitrarily revert it as you may have a compelling reason (or it might be a work in progress), so I'd thought I'd ask your opinion first. Qwghlm 20:07, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
 * OK, cheers. I've reverted it back. Qwghlm 08:29, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Sorry; I will. HolyRomanEmperor 21:17, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Do YOUR thing
I'm done with Hwang Woo-Suk. Have at it. WAS 4.250 17:51, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Royal Victoria Order in Canada
In Aug 2004 you posted a question on the Royal Victorian Order's talkpage about its use in Canada. For the postnominal letters you asked about I think it must have been a typo. In Canada we use the same Royal Victorian Order as in Great Britain, however we only use the first three classes (Memeber, Lt, Commander) whereas in the UK there are 5. This is due (probably) to the Nickle Resolution which (sort of) prohibited Canadians from getting honours which included the use of titles like Lord, Sir or Dame.

For more info see the official page

http://www.gg.ca/honours/nat-ord/rvo/index_e.asp Dowew 03:22, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Feliz Navidad


'''Ugen64, O.K., so you don't believe in Santa, but I still want to wish you and your loved ones all the happiness in the world and the best new year ever. Your friend, Tony the Marine 06:11, 20 December 2005 (UTC)'''

Happy New Year
(Feliz Año Nuevo)



'''I wish you all the happiness in the world and remember, if an injustice is ever committed against you or one of your articles, I will always be by your side. Your friend Tony the Marine'''

Userboxes
As an administrator, can you please undo Kelly Martin's userbox massacre? It's clear from the RFC that there was no consensus for this. Firebug 01:00, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

IRC logs
Please do not post public logs (or portions of logs, or conversations, etc.) of conversations on the wikipedia IRC channel. I've deleted the portion you posted on Kelly Martin's RFC (personally I don't care, but...) - if you restore it, I know several admins who would probably block you on sight for "trolling" or "privacy violation" or "being a jerk" or whatever...

Cheers! – ugen64 17:30, 1 January 2006 (UTC)


 * There's no rules about it: IRC channel quotes


 * And it really is relevant. -- Mistress Selina Kyle  (  Α⇔Ω ¦  ⇒✉  )  17:36, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

No need to be mean-spirited
Was that your intention? Cheers, El_C 17:46, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

AMA
Hello, you are receiving this message because your name is on the list of members of the Association of Members' Advocates. There is a poll being held at Wikipedia talk:Association of Members' Advocates for approval of a proposal for the revitalisation of the association. You are eligible to vote and your vote and input are welcome. Izehar 22:32, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Proteus and Glenys Kinnock
I don't think you're being entirely fair in putting all the blame on me for Proteus' departure. I have been in dispute with him over Glenys Kinnock in which I have been entirely civil despite receiving some rather uncivil responses. This is a collaborative project and all users have to accept that their opinions may not be shared and work with those with different views; if Proteus is unable to do that, then I'm very sorry but it's his problem and not mine, and if you're saying that I should not have maintained my disagreement then that's the equivalent of saying "No-one shall, whatever their reason and however justified they are, take and maintain a stance in disagreement with Proteus in case he has a hissy fit and refuses to edit any more". I also note that I am not exactly the only person whom Proteus has had a go at recently.

On the subject of the Glenys Kinnock article, I believe that including the title 'Baroness Kinnock' would violate NPOV, in particular Undue weight. The practice of referring to the wives of Barons as Baronesses has practically fallen into desuetude, and Glenys Kinnock does not even use the title "Lady Kinnock". The only Google hits for "Baroness Kinnock" are Wikipedia and its mirrors and there are no books which I have found which do so either. I want to suggest a compromise by having 'Lady Kinnock' in bold in the lead sentence as this is a standard usage and fair even though it is a title she does not use. Please let me know what you think. David | Talk 13:39, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

John Hall
Do you really think Hall's FG miss needs to be mentioned in what is now a fairly short article? After the game, I don't know that many people looked back on that as a big deal. Just asking. J1729 20:08, 19 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Good point. The claim that he had his most accurate season was a little bit of a sloppy edit of the fact that 2004 was his previous best season.  I'll save it for when I feel like doing a re-write of the entire article.  J1729 20:22, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

AMA Coordinator Election
Dear AMA Member,

You are entitled to vote in the AMA Coordinator election, set to begin at midnight on 3 February 2006. Please see the pages on the election and its candidates and the procedure and policy and cast a vote by e-mail!

Wally 11:37, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

1.0 Collaboration of the Week
Hi, I noticed you signed up as a member of the Version_1.0_Editorial_Team, which is looking to identify quality articles in Wikipedia for future publication on CD or paper. Recently, a 1.0 Collaboration of the Week was created to work on essential topics that are in need of improvement, which will ultimately go in a release version of Wikipedia. You can help by voting, contributing to an article, or simply making a comment. Thank you for your support. :) Gflores Talk 08:04, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Your userpage was briefly delisted by a rogue admin
You have a userbox Template:User UN which links your userpage to United Nations Wikipedians. There is currently a movement to ban userboxes from Wikipedia which are shared and which create Lists of Wikipedians. Certain admins have taken it upon themselves to preemptively sabotage and/or delete such categories and template. Here is the incident report which reported damage to yours, in which hundreds of userpages were delinked from categories without the users' knowledge. They have been stopped, barely, and the damage reverted— for now.

There is a Userbox policy poll, which if passed, will make required by policy the damage done to categories and templates such as User UN/United Nations Wikipedians. If you do not want this to happen, I urge you to vote Oppose. in the poll. Support is currently running at about 66%, and your vote could make the difference. It is said to require 75%-80% to be deemed reflective of consensus.

Thank you,

StrangerInParadise 23:39, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Katelyn Faber
Could you weigh in at the bottom of the Talk Page for Katelyn Faber regarding the inclusion of an image of her? User:Tufflaw, who unsuccessfully tried to have the entire article deleted back in December 2005 insists on censoring/deleting it for extremely specious reasons, and I've been asked to gather a consensus. Please read the bottom two sections of that page. Thanks. Nightscream 18:43, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

William Greenfield
Brookie here - you might like to see the revamped above article that you got going a while ago. Brookie :) - a will o' the wisp ! (Whisper...) 16:49, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note - I have the British Dictionary of National Biography on CD - so if you need any data shout and I'll send you it. Brookie :) - a will o' the wisp ! (Whisper...) 08:02, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Walter Giffard
I have given this the once over as well! Brookie :) - a will o' the wisp ! (Whisper...) 13:31, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Speedy delete
Please take a look at discussion at Talk:University GIS Programs. I don't want to revert your decision to speedy delete, but this is contested. This list of links was dumped into the Geographic information systems article. User:Rcc105 didn't create the list of links, but rather was attempting to clean in up, firstly by splitting it into a separate article. Let's please give some time to work on cleaning it up, and feel free to put up at WP:AFD. But, I disagree with speedy deletion. --Aude ( talk | contribs ) 00:53, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Block
Hi Ugen, I didn't completely follow your query, but in brief, he's been posting long quotes on Talk:Talmud, supposedly from the Talmud (whether they're all genuine or not, I don't know) out of context with no scholarly sources, alleging inter alia that they're racist. He was asked many times by the editors on that page to stop, but he didn't. I posted a warning to him on March 21 that he was being disruptive and risked being blocked if it continued. So far as I'm aware, he did then stop. However, I saw today that he had created an article that consisted only of the same quotes. He was therefore blocked for reposting the material. Note that it's not because it was POV. It's because it was unsourced, provocative, had arguably turned into trolling, and he ignored the warning. If he feels the block is unfair, he's welcome to e-mail me to discuss it. Cheers, SlimVirgin (talk) 23:33, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject: Gamecruft
I've decided to create a WikiProject devoted to discussing what articles qualify as gamecruft, and what do not. Contact me if you are interested, or have questions. - A Link to the Past (talk) 07:58, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you
I appreciate you very much for looking into the matter and your insightful comments. thanks zadil 09:28, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Welcoming IPs
I just tend to think it's a bit more friendly to welcome someone before telling them off, at least in the first case. Sfnhltb 15:59, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Version 1.0 "Release Version Qualifying"
Hi, I'm interested in your feedback on Wikipedia talk:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Release Version Qualifying. It's essentially an idea to use a process similar to WP:FAC to identify and handle articles and lists that would go in a release version. Maurreen 19:31, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

WP 1.0
I thought since you are interested in this project you might be interested to see a CD version of en now exists see Wikipedia-CD/Download & 2006 WP CD Selection. This is being discussed on the 1.0 project pages but progress breeds enthusiasm so I thought I would let you know. --BozMo talk 09:07, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Situation of administrator abuse
Hi, I'm in a potentially awkward position with an Administrator. I have read the Wiki pages on dispute resolution but I'm still not sure how to proceed.

The Admin ContiE has a personal grudge against me for reasons I do not fully understand. He has been this way since I began frequenting wikipedia.

I have done work improving the furvert article. He has basically gone on a crusade against any edit I make. He controls every furry category article and several others ruthlessly. He is an iron fist and bans anyone he edit wars with. I had uploaded pictures and he deleted them with no talking. He seems to believe I am every person he has had an edit war against. He is always using personal attacks, calling me troll without reason. I uploaded them again and he voted them for deleted, but to his surprise the person who runs the images, thank you Nv8200p, found they were acceptable once I tagged them properly. Just recently he removed both the images without himself discussing it in the talk page (unless he was the same person who discussed only one) with the edit here  Then ContiE assumed bad faith, added his constant insult of troll in the talk page. It appears on a completed different wiki, a comedy one in all things, somebody else stole my username and I believe this was Conti himself and uploaded them. ContiE showed it as his reason. While vandalism like his, I would revert and mention it, he would ban me permanently if I undid his edit. That is why I am asking admins for help. He holds a couple of accounts on wikipedia and I think they are administrators so I have to be careful who I tell about this. Arights 06:26, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Help with image
How are you my friend? I have a friend who is an artist. His name is Antonio Broccoli Porto. He started a User page User:Antonio Porto. He uploaded this image which is his personal work of art and he would like to upload it in his "talk page". The problem is would like somebody to fix the copyright tags for him. Here is a copy of the e-mail which he sent me in regard to that issue:

"I'm lost on that... could you do it for me ...I appreciate it tremendously What is your address in the States I would like to send you some Post cards of my work..." Antonio - Original Message - From: Nmb2418@aol.com To: porto@studioporto.com Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 9:25 PM Subject: Re: question

Hi, Antonio (mi tocayo), I see that you're having trouble with the image of "Bomba". These people in Wikipedia do not know that you are the owner of the copyrights to that image so, they might delete it. To avoid that, go here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Image_copyright_tags#For_image_creators and follow the instructions. Once you have posted the proper "tag", then you can insert it into the page that you want (if you like, I can do it for you, but first you must let these people know that it's your work by posting the "tag"). If you ever come to Arizona, you must let me know. Tu Amigo, Tony Santiago"

So, I was wondering if you could help me out here. Tony the Marine 06:51, 14 April 2006 (UTC) (P.S. I made an atempt to place the right "tag" with an explaination but, I'm not 100% sure that I did it right)


 * Thank you for checking it out. Your friend Tony the Marine 01:15, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Georges Clemenceau
Hi there, just thought I'd tell you that I've done my best to clarify the role of Clemenceau during the Paris Commune, as per your request of 2003! Surprised no-one did it before now. Any questions, please don't hesitate to ask, the Commune is one of my papers this year so I should be able to help you out with any questions! Rusty2005 15:54, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Fish userboxes
Hi Ugen64,

I thought you might be interested in two new fish userboxes. Here's one for fish User:UBX/Fish owner and one for Bettas User:UBX/Betta owner If you're interested in help with making any other userboxes, let me know and I'll see what I can do. Cheers, Rfrisbietalk 00:16, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Copyright abuses
Hello, this message is because of your comments opossing Ta bu shi da yu admin here. Because of the abuse of authority of Ta bu shi da yu, Tens of thousands of images have been deleted by a small handful of wikipedians, citing "fair use".

Would you be interested in joining a group on wikipedia which counters the heavy handed tactics of the copyright police. We can't fight them on my own. User talk:Ed g2s has began deleting fair use image on every person's user page and on several other pages, inspired by WP:FUC which was written by another paternal copyright policeman with absolutly no legal training and little understanding of copyright law. Ta bu shi da yu created the WP:FUC page and was responsible for deleting hundreds of Time magazine covers and refused to stop even after Time magazine sent an e-mail allowing wikipedia to use the images.

We stared this page, with this purpose: User:Travb/Misguided and heavy handed tactics of some admins regarding copyright

Please tell others about this project. The paternal copyright police are well organized and are intoxicated with their own trival power here on wikipedia. Like most authoritarian personalities, these misguided copyright fanatics have finally have overstepped the bounds of good sense and restraint, when they began deleting tens of thousands images from wikiusers' pages. Only a large number of wikipedians will stop this abuse. Travb 13:45, 17 May 2006 (UTC)