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Proposed deletion of Green energy in the Caribbean
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Speedy deletion of Paradise Bay Resort
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Speedy deletion of File:Resort windmill 784x191.JPG
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 * I don't want you to think I'm picking on you or anything, but you seem to misunderstand what Wikipedia is and how it works. It is not the place to post your personal observations, essays or opinions, not is it a place to promote your business. And I'm not really sure what you were trying to do with the file that had all that text attached. Beeblebrox (talk) 02:26, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

File:Resort windmill 784x191.JPG listed for deletion
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Recent edit to Visa policy of China
Hello, and thank you for your recent contribution. While the content of your edit may be true, I have removed it because its depth or nature of detail are not consistent with our objectives as an encyclopedia. I recognize that your edit was made in good faith and hope you will familiarize yourself with what Wikipedia is not so we may collaborate in the future. Thank you! Marvellous Spider -Man 10:22, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

Helsinki
Hi there, my utmost apologies to your unpleasant experience in China, and I am interested to know more about the details of the incident so we can reflect the most up-to-date information available. I would be very grateful if you don't mind providing me any of the information listed below:


 * You mentioned that you and your wife were travelling from HK to Helsinki with stopovers in Ningbo and Shanghai-Pudong. Did you originally plan to arrive at Shanghai-Pudong overland or by air? (AFAIK there is only one daily flight between Ningbo and Shanghai which leaves early morning)

Answer: we planned to have a meeting in Ningbo and go by train to Shanghai for our connecting flight to Helsinki the next morning


 * I assume you hold a passport issued by one of the developed nations. Were you interrogated by Chinese immigration on the same level as your wife was? From your description I sense that Chinese immigration was particularly interested in her situation rather than yours.

Answer: Indeed, my wife was thoroughly investigated and her camera and tablet were copied. The questions asked were clearly from a "suspicion" point of view.


 * You mentioned that Chinese immigration inspected the contents of her electronic devices, did they do the same to yours?

Answer: no, I was treated with more respect as well.


 * Do you and your wife have any trouble leaving China via Shanghai?

Answer: They told her that they would send her back to Hong Kong. I asked help from a Chinese friend, who came to the airport and signed a guarantee that we would leave the country within 24 hours. They also sent a limousine to escort us to our hotel.


 * And finally, were you and your wife able to get your passports stamped with the wordings "24-hour stay permit" or anything similar?

Answer: yes.

Since this policy was in force for as long as I can remember, the only explanation at this point is that due to the 2016 G20 Hangzhou summit, security has been over the roof in the Yangtze River Delta region, especially in Zhejiang and Shanghai and every airports throughout the region. Reports by HK-based media show that China has banned Indonesian, Malaysian and Thai nationals to travel to the Pearl River Delta in tourist groups under the special visa-free regime since early August just to keep them away from Hangzhou (or anywhere nearby), so a Thai national showing up without a visa in a place less than 150km away from Hangzhou is definitely a red flag to them. Also, as Ningbo is not the most popular point for transit (most locals prefer Shanghai for international flights), it could also be that the local immigration has a poor understanding of the rule and, thanks to the summit, kept an extra eye on your wife so they can make sure that you guys are good to go (although that's unlikely since these people are rigorously trained to serve foreigners). Chinese embassies are generally useless on this issue (and pretty much everything else) and many rules that are in force simply do not exist anywhere on the internet except Timatic (believe me, many have tried SO HARD to find an official source other than Timatic).

Without the help of my Chinese friend we would have had to return to Hong Kong and would have lost our tickets to Helsinki as well. This is heavy duty and to prevent others to have this experience I placed the edit. It should not have been removed. This had nothing to do with the G20 in my opinion; the officers said that the 24 hour visa does not apply to small places like Ningbo. But they were not sure at all. We were held at the airport for a very long time and they were always calling to -likely- supervisors. Again, you may edit my experience but it is important that it is there. We do not want others to suffer!

While Wikipedia has a strict "WP:NOT" policy and people enforce it rigorously, you are most welcomed to discuss the incident in greater detail on travel websites such as Flyertalk's China forum. There's a dedicated thread for transit in China and its most recent questions/developments from other users which can definitely be of help to others. (This is not an advertisement of any sort, it's just a website I usually use.)

I do apologize again for my disturbance and solicitation. Feel free to delete my post, reply it here, or post on Flyertalk. Once again, thank you for your contribution to the page.C-GAUN (talk) 13:43, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

Answer to Helsinki
Thanks for your reply. Based on your response, I assume the problem was because of the following reasons: Although your edit was made in good faith, Wikipedia does NOT allow personal anecdotes unless they are documented through a reliable source (which means that personal blogs are also out of the question). This is especially true for the editors of the visa section where most of the infos were gathered from sources published by the governments or Timatic (which was maintained by the airlines and the government). Due to the fact that no similiar incident has been reported before and after yours and errors had been made by both sides, I consider this an isolated incident but will keep a close eyes to the policy in the future.C-GAUN (talk) 22:43, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Your Ningbo-Shanghai leg, which was done by train. was NOT technically in compliance with the 24-hour transit rule. Based on Timatic information, TWOV only applies to passengers travelling by air for all legs of their journey, and the airline check-in staff in HK should have never let you on the plane (they usually don't) as the Chinese government will impose a huge fine for air carriers transporting passengers not holding correct documents (and it looked like they dodged the bullet this time as the Chinese officials eventually let you in).
 * The G20 issue: Like I said in the previous comment, a Thai national showing up in a medium-sized airport close to Hangzhou without the visa is a HUGE concern prior to the G20 summit, regardless whether he or she is in compliance of the TWOV policy. China took the security measures very seriously and discouraged all Thais, Indonesians and Malaysians from visiting during the summer, and there were numerous news reports about it. Your response also highlighted this fact, as the officers threatened to sent HER back to Hong Kong and basically left YOU untouched. Also, the fact that you are able to get the 24-hour stay permit meant that the rule was indeed in place, and the immigration knew (or eventually found out) about it but they didn't want your wife in the country anyway as the whole team would get fired and some people would end up in jail (yes, they would) if they screwed up and let the wrong people get to Hangzhou. (Institutionalized racism also played a role in this incident which explained why you got fairer treatment than your wife did.)