User talk:Ulysse Nardin Digital

April 2024
 Your account has been indefinitely blocked from editing because it has been used for advertising or promotion, which is contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia. Also, your username gives the impression that the account represents a business, organisation, group, or web site, which is against the username policy.

If you intend to make useful contributions instead of promoting your business or organization, you may request unblock and a username change. In your reasons, you must: To do this, post the text  at the bottom of your talk page. Replace the text "Your proposed new username" with your new username and replace the text "Your reason here" with your reasons to be unblocked.
 * Disclose any compensation you may receive for your contributions in accordance with the paid-contribution disclosure requirement; and
 * Convince us that you understand the reason for your block and that you will not repeat the kind of edits for which you were blocked; and
 * Describe in general terms the contributions that you intend to make if you are unblocked; and
 * Provide a new username.

Please note that the new username you choose cannot already be taken and in use by another account. You can go here to search and see if the username you'd like to choose is available. If the search returns that no global account with that username exists, that means it is available to be taken.

Appeals: If, after reviewing the guide to appealing blocks, you believe this block was made in error, you may appeal it by adding the text  at the bottom of your talk page. Replace the text "Your reason here" with the reasons you believe the block was an error, and publish the page. 331dot (talk) 08:35, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Are you employed by Ulysse Nardin? 331dot (talk) 11:29, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

I apologize for being frank, but you need to learn more about our policies if you think that promoting this company's products is "in strict accordance" with policies. 331dot (talk) 11:33, 30 April 2024 (UTC):Hello,
 * Thank you for restating the above and below!
 * As my message above clarifies:
 * - I do not receive any compensation for my contributions
 * - I understand that my username seemed like it carries commercial purpose, and therefore requested to change it
 * - The contributions I am intending to make do not have any promotion/advertising in them and are targeted at updating incorrect and outdated information. They are duly referenced with open and public sources and do not carry any promotional meaning.
 * - The new username is provided above
 * Thanks a lot for reading my request and taking those objective factors into consideration to withdraw the block. Ulysse Nardin Digital (talk) 12:07, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Please place new comments below earlier comments. Please answer my question, are you employed by Ulysse Nardin, yes or no? 331dot (talk) 12:14, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
 * As mentioned above numerous times, I do not receive any compensation for contributing to this article and my contributions are not related to my employment. Ulysse Nardin Digital (talk) 12:22, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
 * If you are not going to directly answer questions posed to you, it is doubful that you will be unblocked. 331dot (talk) 12:25, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello and thank you for being frank! As you may clearly see from the changes I've made, no product was ever promoted. All the information that I have added to the article is purely factual and referenced with open sources. As someone who knows Wikipedia policies much better than me, I am sure you already came across numerous articles about luxury brands (eg: Patek Philippe, Audemars Piguet, Hermes...) that describe their products, their features and the prizes or other milestones related to them. The goal of my contributions is to factually inform and educate the audience about the product's features and other objective details without appealing to emotional or persuasive language, emphasising benefits, comparing it to competitors, or any other element that may be regarded as "promotion". From the logic you are currently appealing to, even a mere mention of the product's name in the context of an article can be considered "promotion", leading to blocks. Ulysse Nardin Digital (talk) 12:20, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Please see other stuff exists. It could be that these other articles you have seen are also inappropriate and we simply haven't addressed them yet. This is why each article or draft is judged on its own merits and not based on others that themselves may be inappropriate. As this is a volunteer project where people do what they can when they can, it is possible for inappropriate articles to get by us. We can only address what we know about. If you want to use other articles as a model or example, use those that are classified as good articles and have been vetted by the community. 331dot (talk) 12:27, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your quick answer, however, the point of my message was not that it is appropriate to base your contribution on other articles. The point of my message was that the info relating to the company's awards, products, history etc. that I had added is purely factual and objective. There are no promotional or commercial elements: prices, comparisons, persuasion or emotive language, emphasis on benefits etc. If mentioning the brand name or the factual features of its products is considered "promotion", then the whole article cannot exist on Wikipedia. However, if it is allowed to share facts and update incorrect information, I believe my unblock requests needs to be tolerated. I do not understand why any private information, such as the status of my employment or any other details about me, need to be provided to justify this request, even though my explanation seems exhaustive. Ulysse Nardin Digital (talk) 12:41, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
 * This is not the place to just tell about the existence of a company's products, what it considers to be its own history, or awards it has gotten. Wikipedia articles are for summarizing what others say about the company and what makes it meet the definition of a notable company.
 * Awards do not contribute to notability unless the awards themselves merit articles(like Nobel Peace Prize or Pritzker Prize or Academy Award). 331dot (talk) 12:44, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
 * You are welcome to make a new request for someone else to review(not me or Yamla), but as I said, unless you are prepared to be open with us and directly answer our questions, it is doubtful you will be unblocked. 331dot (talk) 12:45, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks again! I did exactly what you wrote about: added information about the important milestones in the history of the company that make it notable (Guinness World Record Book, GPHG Academy Award, first time use of silicon) and the notable products / their features (like the Freak watch or the Trilogy of Time). Factually and objectively. All with references to open, external sources. Furthermore, I corrected information that was wrong or outdated.
 * At no point I have promoted any products, put out any commercial information, or spoke about the products for the sake of simply mentioning their existence, which you would be able to see if you checked my modifications.
 * It is unfortunate to be accused of things that did not happen and not being able to continue contributing on Wikipedia, despite the fact that I am not doing this as an Ulysse Nardin employee and neither receiving compensation. As well as to spend numerous hours justifying something that I did not do, without any evidence (except for the username, which I immediately requested to change).
 * All the best and thank you for your time! Ulysse Nardin Digital (talk) 13:51, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
 * All I've asked is that you be open with us and answer our questions. That you don't wish to do so is disappointing. You don't seem to understand that "promotion" means something very different on Wikipedia than most people consider the term to mean.  Here, promotion is not limited to selling something or talking it up; it includes merely telling about something.  Wikipedia is not the place to just tell about something or to merely give facts.
 * You say "despite the fact that I am not doing this as an Ulysse Nardin employee"- Wikipedia does not know when you are "on the clock" at work or "off the clock" at home. Any paid relationship with a topic must be disclosed- this includes general employment, and does not require that you be specifically paid to edit or asked to edit.  That is a Terms of Use requirement and not negotiable.  If you are unwilling to disclose this, this is indeed the end of the road for your Wikipedia career. As I said, if you think I have gotten this wrong, you can ask for another review. 331dot (talk) 15:14, 30 April 2024 (UTC)