User talk:UnderAdvice

Well, one of the trickier aspects of describing pioneering companies in IT is the "BG" effect. Today's young shavers tend to regard anything that is not Googleable in under a second, as pre-history. Indeed there is a hinterland emerging in the early years of the internet pre-google where very little hard online reference exists; and it's getting tougher getting references from retired colleagues like the late Guy Kewney.

I was moved to contribute on the USP page as this is/was a genuine pioneer that existed long before Google became the assumed fount of all knowledge, and number of firsts - like the original banner ad server (circa 1992) - are simply not listed anywhere on current search engines.

This is my first substantive effort with Wikipedia, so please bear with me as I fumble along.

UnderAdvice (talk) 11:15, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Meetings Review


A tag has been placed on Meetings Review requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about an organization or company, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

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Nomination of USP Networks for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article USP Networks is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/USP Networks until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. Toddst1 (talk) 17:36, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Response to Todd
Hey Todd. Now others that were poised to contribute are nervous to get involved with this listing as a direct result of being unnerved by your recent un-wiki-like outbursts over the blackout and trigger-happy approach to the task, anticipating another pre-emptive deletion. However, USP has demonstrably been a pioneer of several aspects of the commercial internet in the UK and Europe - and since this goes back a way to pre-1993, it will take a little time to marshal all the contributors and sources. We are talking life before Google here. Please be a little more patient. UnderAdvice (talk) 18:39, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Forget the unblock, I don't think I am ever likely to be reconciled with the way a US ("we invented the internet") dominated Wikipedia interacts with British ("we invented the www") company history. But I was so astonished when I saw Toddst1 comments when I went to try and discuss the original deletion, that I took the opportunity to copy the relevant pages. Which includes:

This user [Toddst1] is boycotting Wikipedia editing for the time being over the unjust and one-sided international blackout on SOPA. Please consider signing this protest against the blackout.

I'm taking this matter somewhere where we can get proper discussion going. Judging from other stats and comments ("You seem to attract the kooks") on his page, Todd does not shrink from contention... UnderAdvice (talk) 11:49, 24 January 2012 (UTC)