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Andy Lau or Chow Yun Fat
Hello, dk. Perhaps they've changed the script, but I'd read that Chow Yun Fat will be cast as Liu Bei, not Zhou Yu. Are you certain of his role? Gamer Junkie 13:06, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay then, if that's what they've gone with. I noticed Takeshi Kaneshiro is also set to join the cast.  I think he's the guy who portrayed Samanosuke Akechi in the Onimusha games. Gamer Junkie 13:06, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your correction to Sun Tzu
I think I clicked the wrong button and saved a past version I was looking at that reverted back the Sun Tzi. I went back a couple of versions to find his picture which is Sunzi.png. I thought I had opened a new version of the article to correct the picture's name but must have goofed. Thanks, Ronbo76 06:15, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem. _dk 07:08, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

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Re: Planetarian: Chiisana Hoshi no Yume
I saw that at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Visual novels/played, you, Moogy, and SeizureDog have "played" (can't really play a kinetic novel...) this game before and I was wondering if one of you could help with the in-universe information. Chiefly: Setting, Characters, and Themes, which is currently not there. Since Key's made 6 games, and two are already GA, (Clannad soon to follow; Little Busters! is excluded for the time being), my main focus now is on building up Planetarian and at least getting Tomoyo After: It's a Wonderful Life out of the stub stage it's been in since it's creation. So, if you could please contribute to the in-universe (and possibly the out-of-universe) information on Planetarian, it would be greatly appreciated.-- 十  八  10:30, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

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Buddhism in HKG
Re: "rv. 6 million buddhists out of 7 million people in hk?" I've edited the religion section again to further clarify.. I've left your figures regarding "authentic" Buddhism but to answer your question - yes, there are around 6 million Buddhists out of 7 million people in Hong Kong according to Buddhism by country (unless that is also incorrect). Also, your figure of 500,000 Christians out of a population of 6,864,000 is only around 7% and not 10%. Cheers, TCB007 06:20, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Those are not my figures, I just reverted to the last version. I'll leave the discussion to the more knowledgeable people. _dk 10:21, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Needing Help With Photo Copywright
Hi once more, I have a question about a recently uploaded photo that I want to use for Liuhe Pagoda of China. The article lacked any picture, and it really needs one, considering that it is one of the greatest Song Dynasty (or any) Chinese pagoda standing today.

The image is found at this link here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Liuhe_Pagoda.jpg

If you would be so kind, I'd like to have you or somebody else verify the copywright license (it's some random American guy's vacation blog pic). In the meantime, I have given it the GFDL presumed tag, but if I do not verify the copywright stuff, it will be deleted in 7 days!

Thanks for your help, --PericlesofAthens 06:18, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Weichi/Yuchi
I've seen a number of places where it was asserted that 尉遲 is pronounced Yuchi and not Weichi, but I've never seen a verifiable source cited for that proposition. Do you have a citation to a source? --Nlu (talk) 16:37, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

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Dingjun
I want to thank you for your help on the Battle of Mount Dingjun. It still has a long way to go, but you made it what it is. I'd do more on it, but I haven't a clue where to look for information...any suggestions? --Cao Wei 03:19, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Rafe de Crespigny's work is a great source. Thanks for the compliments. =) _dk 05:57, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

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Help appreciated
I appreciate your help in cleaning up Category:People of the Three Kingdoms. It's a messy category, and it happens to be not the strong part of my Chinese history repertoire, so I do hope to be getting more help from you. Thanks. --Nlu (talk) 17:55, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. I'm just glad somebody is taking care of that mammoth of a category. _dk 18:02, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

As it turns out, Category:Han Dynasty people related to the Three Kingdoms is probably getting a little too large itself, and at some point, I'd like to split it further. Do you have some thoughts on how to do so? (I am currently considering splitting it into such categories as Category:Dong Zhuo and associates, Category:Yuan Shao and associates, &c.) Thoughts would be appreciated. --Nlu (talk) 21:06, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * If you're splitting it like that, then it would lead to things like Category:Liu Bei and associates, which, when combined with Category:People of Shu Han, would be a bit confusing...I think. _dk 22:01, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Perhaps, and that's why I'd like your thoughts on it. However, there can simply not be such categories as Category:Liu Bei and associates and Category:Sun Quan and associates, as both are likely to be subsumed under Category:People of Shu Han and Category:People of Eastern Wu, respectively.  (That's not quite true of Category:Cao Cao and associates, however.)  --Nlu (talk) 23:51, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Here's a wild idea, what about having Category:People of Cao Wei under Category:Cao Cao and associates? _dk 06:06, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think that's a good idea, because there were a lot of people of Cao Wei who had no associations whatsoever with Cao Cao, personally. (Under this organization -- which, as you pointed out, has its problems -- I envision Category:Sun Jian and associates and Category:Sun Ce and associates to be separate categories, for example.  --Nlu (talk) 07:47, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Maybe we can just make Category:Dong Zhuo and associates, Category:Yuan Shao and associates, etc. and leave Liu Bei, Cao Cao, and Sun Jian alone. _dk 08:55, 8 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Perhaps. When I get a chance I'll see whether that whittles the category down sufficiently.  Thanks.  --Nlu (talk) 14:42, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

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Help for Personages of the Three Kingdoms
Hi, I'm new and I need your help in reorganizing and re-editing the list of Personages of the Three Kingdoms. Some of the links there are wrongly linked to other articles and some of the wrongly pronounced names appear twice in the list as the correct and wrong pronounciations. I would greatly appreciate your help for this matter. Also, I don't feel that there is a need for People of the Three Kingdoms as it is quite similar to Personages of the Three Kingdoms. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lonelydarksky (talk • contribs) 11:23, 12 April 2007 (UTC).
 * I'm sorry, I'm busy preparing for exams and shouldn't be editing for a while. Until then, best of luck. _dk 10:02, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Han Dynasty people related to the Three Kingdoms
After I whittled down Category:Han Dynasty people related to the Three Kingdoms as I indicated, there were still over 200 article. I think I'll have to go with the categories associated with Cao Cao, Sun Ce, and probably Liu Bei and Sun Quan, despite the potential confusion, to cut it down to <200 and hopefully <100, if not <50. --Nlu (talk) 19:15, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * You have my support (spiritually). _dk 22:51, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * :-) --Nlu (talk) 22:57, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

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Three Kingdoms (and Chinese history in general)
Hi, i'm aware that you and Nlu have been active in maintaining Three Kingdoms-related articles and other articles relating to Chinese history. There are a few propositions i'd like to make but i don't want to have them up for discussion on the talk page of Manual of Style right away because 1. it's a long and arduous process and 2. few people frequent that page. So i hope to get a consensus among active contributors before i put my propositions in motion.

Well for now, i have just two things in mind:
 * 1) No pinyin within the article (see Lü Bu). i say it looks ugly and inconsistent with majority of Chinese-related articles.
 * 2) A certain template to go at the top of Three Kingdoms-related article that warns of the easy confusion between fact and ficiton. Hopefully it would put off casual editors from changing the history.

i just feel that up till now we have all been working relatively alone. It might be good to have regular discussions among active and responsible contributors, for both technical and moral supports. Cheers! --Plastictv 16:49, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I support your suggestions whole-heartedly, and I'm glad you found your way back to editing :) _dk 14:24, 23 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks! It's nice to be back. i have created the template: Template:Three Kingdoms warning. Please take a look and let me know if you think the wordings are okay. Cheers! --Plastictv 06:27, 24 April 2007 (UTC)


 * It's nice...but I don't think it adequately explains why fact and fiction could be easily muddled in those articles. _dk 08:42, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * i get what you mean. Hmm... do you have any suggestions? --Plastictv 06:21, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * i've just changed the wording slightly. See if it's okay now? Cheers! --Plastictv 06:28, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * It's great! _dk 10:15, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Wait, let me get this straight...is this template to be used on all Three Kingdoms-related articles? If so, it might be a bit of an eyesore for well-established articles.... _dk 02:48, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

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eavesdropping...Three Kingdoms
Hi y'all,

I'm just eavesdropping here, but glad I did... The Three Kingdoms articles are in a pretty bad mess... tons of fiction mingled with fact.. little or no context in many articles, etc. I'm sorta thinking about the possibility of a Three Kingdoms WikiProject... but I'm too busy to do much until August.

I think every article should have a consistent layout.. facts first, a discussion of the fictional aspects later, clearly delineated....

As for the template proposed above (this is where the eavesdropping comes in).. I know I'm a newcomer to this conversation &amp; should respect the views of others, but I'm not sure I would want it atop every 3K article.

Anyhow, I see you've done tons of excellent work on these articles... kudos!

Later -- Ling.Nut 04:46, 27 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Wow, I've been thinking about a Three Kingdoms WikiProject as well! and you took the words out of my mouth as well. I would be really happy to help if the project comes to fruitation. :) _dk 04:57, 27 April 2007 (UTC)


 * At the moment I am working on Battle of Red Cliffs. There's gonna be a John Woo/cast of thousands of Hong Kong/Taiwan pretty faces movie about it in 2008, and I wanna get at least that article and maybe one or other main ones to FA before that.... I just started working on Red Cliffs and have made good progress but it still needs much work... collaboration, anyone? I've already been able to have a long-term and very successful collaboration w. Maowang on the Taiwanese aborigines article, and am looking to repeat the success... -- 05:21, 27 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes...I have that page on my watchlist and I see you're doing some very good work on it :). I'll try to contribute every so often. _dk 05:27, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

(undent) OK. See ya 'round then... --05:28, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Image:Changbanzhizhan.png
Hey, Image:Changbanzhizhan.png has Xiakou south of the Yangtze. Should be north of it, right?? -- Ling.Nut 20:35, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Chinese geography isn't my forte...I only cropped and translated from this image here Image:Chibizhizhan.png. _dk 03:03, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Eighteen Songs of a Nomad Flute Cai Wenji
Good job on the Cai Wenji's poem! Next time when you move images from one page to another, it is polite to inform the contributor. I will take it as you like them so much you could not resist :-) user:kosigrim
 * Ah, sorry about that. I was just being bold :) _dk 03:04, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Where did u learn to be 'bold'? It does not fit to your culture :-), to my impression... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kosigrim (talk • contribs) 18:33, 7 May 2007 (UTC).

new page could use help
Hey I just started Using straw boats to borrow arrows to link to Red Cliffs. It's a bare-bones page that could use help, if you are so inclined. Ling.Nut 03:25, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't know....couldn't this information be incorporated into the main article? _dk 04:27, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
 * If so, it wouldn't be in the Red Cliffs article; probably in Zhuge Liang... I made it separate because it's such a famous story (like the Empty Fort Strategy, but I can definitely see the logic of merging it into Zhuge Liang. Either way is probably OK; right now I'm trying to focus on Red Cliffs.... I dunno if anyone else would have any opinion on that question... Ling.Nut 11:08, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

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Chancellor of China
Last of the Han gives Cao Cao's title as "Lieutenant Chancellor" (not Chancellor), but states that he had complete power over the imperial government (sources in Red Cliffs; search for the word "unquestioned").... Thanks for the help today!!! Ling.Nut 16:10, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
 * In Sanguo Zhi, Biography of Cao Cao it states in 208: "Summer, June, the lord [Cao Cao] became chancellor" (夏六月，以公為丞相. ) Maybe it's the difference in translations, but I've always had the impression that 丞相 translates to Chancellor. _dk 17:50, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
 * In fact, To Establish Peace says "In the summer, in the sixth month the positions of the Three Excellencies were abolished and the posts of Imperial Chancellor and Imperial Counsellor were restored. On the day guisi [9 Jun] Cao Cao was appointed Imperial Chancellor." _dk 17:54, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

alternate image for Battle of Red Cliffs?
...so following in your footsteps, I've made an English version of the map of Chibizhizhan: Image:Chibizhizhan eng2.png. OK to replace current map?

.. and boatloads of thanks for your contributions, you have really added a ton of value to the article!

thanks Ling.Nut 02:55, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * You forgot to label Wulin, mislabeled Baqiu, and misspelled Hanjin. My original intention was to separate the Battle of Changban and the Battle of Red Cliffs...but I guess this is fine. _dk 04:26, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Err, okay, I see what you're doing with Baqiu. I still suggest using the name "Baqiu" though, since the texts at that time almost always call the place Baqiu. _dk 04:51, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * de Crespigny has Baqiu as Hanchang... but  am changing... remembered Wulin ten seconds after I turned off computer... Ling.Nut 08:43, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Also.. yes.. between 1969 and 2004 de Crespigny stopped using the term "Lieutenant Chancellor" and started using "Imperial Chancellor." Ling.Nut 08:56, 2 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Map shows Changban only incidentally; intended to show retreat...
 * Thanks! Ling.Nut 09:13, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks for your good work! _dk 17:55, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Forbidden City
Hey, I've been working on Forbidden City recently, and I wonder if you could take a look at the present state of the article? Any suggestions for further improvement is appreciated. If you could make any edits, that would be even better. Thanks, Sumple (Talk) 07:23, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

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milhist peer review for Battle of Red Cliffs

 * Milhist peer review request; dunno if anyone will respond....
 * I will be away from Wikipedia for about a week...
 * WikiProject Military history/Peer review/Battle of Red Cliffs
 * Ling.Nut 03:49, 7 May 2007 (UTC)