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Since you dabed the page please fix incoming links to Battle of Beijing
Cheers. 16:23, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reminder. It is done. _dk (talk) 17:04, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

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The Bugle: Issue LXIX, November 2011
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Troublemaker singled out
I think we've isolated the IP address (User talk:80.42.236.54) of the anonymous editor who has been adding lots of unreferenced content to Three Kingdoms articles. Please do help to keep an eye on his contributions. Thanks. Lonelydarksky (暗無天日) contact me (聯絡) 13:27, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Chinese fitness dancing
Awesome! Thank you. I will eventually add more, and an ogg video. The trick is doing it without objections. Just taking the shot without asking could lead to hundreds of women in similar outfits chasing me down the road to music. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 10:36, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. I had it easy, being part of a tourist group they literally took no notice of us :D _dk (talk) 10:42, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * No notice? Very fortunate. In a street battle between a group of bloated tourists and 100 fit Chinese women, it would have been over in seconds, leaving a debris field of broken sunglasses and camera parts. By the time one hears "Return to the bus! Fall back in squads!!", it's too late. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 10:53, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * In my case we didn't even have the luxury of a bus, the driver was on his break. No wonder the tour guide was on such high alert that day as he covered our flanks! Silly me, taking everything for granted! _dk (talk) 10:59, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

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The Bugle: Issue LXXI, February 2012
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no time

 * Don't really have time to edit, unfortunately. :-) Ling.Nut3 (talk) 11:27, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Same here. I might even have to abandon my wiki drafts and cast them into the wild :( _dk (talk) 17:17, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

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Xiapi Order of Battle
I found the same info in a book from my library. I do not wish to start an edit war because I think you and me could get along nice. The book was not published by a "famous author", so I wish for you to tell me why the order of battle is unreliable? That author has documents. Thanks man.

Kamek98 (talk) 17:30, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Then you'll need to provide the information on the book you got the information on. Author, title, publishing company, year, ISBN, page numbers, etc. _dk (talk) 00:54, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Conquest of Shu by Wei
No thanks? I've been busting my rump off trying to make an image for that! With all respect. I can haz you make one? Thanks Kamek98 (talk) 01:30, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Uh, thanks for the effort? _dk (talk) 06:51, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

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The Bugle: Issue LXXII, March 2012
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Factual accuracy?
I have a feeling you're going over everything I post and defying accuracy. I am not stupid. I have read my sources. Would you like me to leave Wikipedia because of my "bull"? Would that satisfy you? I'm not feeling very welcome here on this site. I'm trying to keep peace, thanks in advance. --Eric 01:27, 25 March 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kamek98 (talk • contribs)

Oh, yeah, and Jieting, I just reread some documents and found my mistakes. Just one or two mistakes makes me a bad person? --Eric 01:29, 25 March 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kamek98 (talk • contribs)
 * It's clear you don't read Chinese, so where are you getting your information from? Without that kind of transparency I find it hard to accept your edits, especially when they run counter to what I read in the Chinese sources you "referenced". As I've said, you need to come clean. _dk (talk) 09:10, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, I don't read Chinese, from the Records of Three Kingdoms has abstracts everywhere, like for example Dynasty Warriors uses abstracts of Records of Three Kingdoms in the officer biographies, translated. I know you are just gonna say "that's a game." SO why would I put it there? ROTK does too. I also have numerous translated documents my grandpa translated himself. He's Chinese. --Eric 15:37, 25 March 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kamek98 (talk • contribs)
 * If Dynasty Warriors and RoTK are where you are getting your information from, you could at least put those in the References section instead of trying to deceive us by suggesting you found it within the Records. And I've told you that you need to cite your sources, including publisher information, ISBN, and page numbers if applicable. If you're afraid that I'll just retort with "that's a game", then, for pete's sake, DON'T USE THOSE AS SOURCES. With all due respect to your grandfather, he's not doing a good job either (unless he happens to be published, but then you need to give out details of his publication too). _dk (talk) 20:03, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Notes to Three Kingdoms
Hey check this out:

http://books.google.com.sg/books?id=hnqaIfBARmkC&pg=PA1003&dq=Moss+Roberts,+Three+Kingdoms,+Notes+to+Three+Kingdoms&hl=en&sa=X&ei=DldwT7SvDIeqrAf4q6WhDg&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Moss%20Roberts%2C%20Three%20Kingdoms%2C%20Notes%20to%20Three%20Kingdoms&f=false

I believe this is the source (Moss Roberts' book) that User:Kamek98 appears to be using when he added orders of battle to Revolt of Tianshui, Battle of Jieting, and Battle of Wuzhang Plains. I found some inaccuracies for Wuzhang Plains and changed them, but decided to retain them for now since I'll be busy in the next few days. Maybe we can get EkmanLi to help check those edits?

Cheers,
 * Lonelydarksky (暗無天日) contact me (聯絡) 11:59, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I have my doubts, and I'll probably go to the library to check in the next few days. EkmanLi is more versed in Chinese sources though, I believe. _dk (talk) 16:13, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I've removed the orders of battle he added because I'm starting to seriously doubt the credibility of his edits based on what he did at Battle of Dongxing.   Lonelydarksky (暗無天日)  contact me (聯絡) 14:56, 27 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I am not done with the order of battle. Of course it's not accurate. --Eric 00:23, 27 March 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kamek98 (talk • contribs)

Leung Chun Ying
Hi there, I didn't mean to humiliate Mr. Leung, but there's really a concern by most Hongkongers that Mr. Leung's future ruling plan would be a high-effiency but despotism government. Mr. Putin in Russia is a similar example, I think. What's your view?

21:03, 26 March 2012 (Hong Kong Time) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.168.182.179 (talk)
 * My view doesn't matter. Wikipedia isn't the place for personal opinions and political advocacy. _dk (talk) 16:02, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Maps
I'm just trying to make maps. You are very difficult to get by you know. Did I say I was done? --11:27, 27 March 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kamek98 (talk • contribs)

You've got mail
Lonelydarksky (暗無天日) contact me (聯絡) 12:00, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

3K
I've thought about it and I'm deciding to apologize for pulling a Cao Shuang on you and User:Lonelydarksky. How about a deal: I cite my info and (if I actually was truthful with my sources) you guys help if the info was weak and you improve images I make if they suck. --Eric 21:50, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't see why we should have to strike a deal with you for you to behave properly: all Wikipedians are expected to play by Wikipedia's rules, and which include providing cited reliable sources. That said, a good starting point for Three Kingdoms research online is de Crespigny's online publications, where there are some maps you can look at while reading the proper history. For mapmaking advice, The WikiProject Maps can help you better. _dk (talk) 08:26, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Life is far, far too short and too resource-poor to play manipulative games with people & try to be clever. It's much better to make friends. Making friends doesn't always help... but people who are so self-centered that they have to use an apology as part of a game always end up with nothing in the end (though they sometimes gain a few things for a short while).Ling.Nut3 (talk) 03:26, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Nice life lesson. That needs to go on Wiki Quotes. --Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed 00:30, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Zhong Hui's invasion of Hanzhong
Hi, I just thought I would let you know I need some help I my new project for the Conquest of Shu by Wei. Right now I just published Zhong Hui's invasion of Hanzhong. --Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed 00:30, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not going to give articles a chance if they're copies, and worse, completely misinformed. _dk (talk) 20:05, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Do everyone a favour by reading Content forking, thanks. _dk (talk) 20:07, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
 * How about we start a new work in progress page for it? That information could be lost and needs time to grow. Thanks. --Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed 00:55, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * No information is lost, all you had to add were either wrong or redundant. _dk (talk) 01:33, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Han Zong
Please fix my errors. Thanks. Han Zong. --Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed 20:36, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Sun Quan's campaign for independence
I would like you to assist me in this project ---> Sun Quan's campaign for independence. Thanks.--Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed 22:12, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

I would like you to know that I am moving Cao Pi's invasions of Eastern Wu to Cao Wei's invasions of Eastern Wu and adding Shiting. The conflict goes with the whole idea.--Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed 00:54, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I would like you to stop. Lonelydarksky agrees with me. _dk (talk) 05:47, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok. But I was thinking doesn't the whole Establishment of Wu go onto 228? So how is my idea bad? --Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed 15:19, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * You're talking as if Sun Quan always had the emperor's throne in mind, and that this is something he aimed for since 222. We don't know (and probably will never know) if this is true, but his proclaimation as emperor doesn't have much to do with the establishment of Wu (since it is already established when it declared its independence in 222) and more to do with Sun Quan wanting an equal footing with his rivals. 229 wasn't an end goal, in my opinion, it was just an opportunity Sun Quan saw when he realized Eastern Wu is secure enough for him to do something like that. I believe de Crespigny goes into this. _dk (talk) 16:23, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Li Meng
Hey man. Sorry to bother you, but Li Meng did indeed die in 192 or 194. When Dong Zhuo was killed by Lu Bu in May 192, Li Meng went on to serve Li Jue. During the events of either 192 or 194, Li Jue executed him. Where did you get 195 from? Thanks. --Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed 16:55, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * There actually is no record of when he died that I know of, Hou Han Shu only mentioned that "Li Meng was killed by Li Jue later on". I should not have reverted you but should have removed the whole mention of which year he died. Maybe I should ask you where you got 192 or 194. _dk (talk) 17:12, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, I found the reference for 195. _dk (talk) 17:40, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * What would that be? Dynasty Warriors (smh) says he was executed when Li Jue attacked and burned Chang'an. But if you google li meng death some says he died in 194. Sad though that there is no official histories stating trustworthy death dates for Li Meng and generals of such. Thanks for the answer though dk, cheers!--Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed 21:19, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Look at the Li Meng article. _dk (talk) 21:55, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Dropping in to say hi
Hey, DK, been a long time. Not even sure if you'd remember me, but we got the 3K project going a long time back along with Ling.Nut. Guess it didn't work out so well in the long run, but it's good to see you're still keeping an eye on these articles. Points for dedication, mate, seriously. Just thought I'd see what the old articles looked like now. Red Cliffs is still FA, which made my day. Take it easy, though, eh? I burned out after a year and a bit. How you keep going is beyond me. Keep it up, though. Need somebody making sure the facts remain the facts. ;) The Cake is a Lie T /  C 05:18, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
 * 'Course I remember you, pal. I ain't as hard working as I used to be, with real life catching up to me and all, but thankfully there are newcomers lightening my load :) Hope everything is going well with ya. _dk (talk) 06:37, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Certainly is at this point in time. Good to hear you're not carrying it all on your own. Cheers, mate. :) The Cake is a Lie  T /  C 16:39, 19 April 2012 (UTC)