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Thanks for Lady Meng Jiang
Thanks for looking over Lady Meng Jiang and moving the image. It does indeed make more sense to have her lovely self at the head of the article. But it would make even more sense to have one which is from a Chinese source. So if you have found one in your work on the Great Wall, would you think about getting it up on Wikimedia? I'll keep looking myself, of course, but so far I haven't had time or luck in finding one which is out of copyright.

By the way, I still have a little more material to add to the Meng article, esp. from the Waldron book, so it would be helpful if you looked it over in a while to see if it makes sense.

I'm trying to make the article useful both to users who just want to know the story but also to people who want more depth and complication. This is why I have separated the sections into "Legend" and then modern background.

All the best. ch (talk) 16:37, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Good work on the expansion of the article, ! If I recall correctly, Haiyan Lee's "Tears That Crumbled the Great Wall" has some illustrations from the ROC era, which should be out of copyright already. I don't have those sources on hand right now, so I'm afraid I can't help you there. I will keep a look out though, keep up the good work! _dk (talk) 16:46, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Sotheby's
Hello. I could be losing it. But I really think the pic adds a touch of class. Maybe wait for the next person to delete?zzz (talk) 20:08, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi, with respect, I really think the picture is very irrelevant (even forgetting that it's from 2010), why put a picture there under the "Impact" section if the picture shows no impact? Moreover, what does an image of people sitting at a mall exhibition sponsored by Sotherby's add to the understanding of the protests? It adds nothing to the article. _dk (talk) 20:15, 14 October 2014 (UTC)


 * The section talks about business. HK business is very high-value, as people are likely to forget. And the luxury sector has apparently not been hit. The pic illustrates this, with an aura of calmness and business-as-usual.

But if it actually just looks ridiculous, on the other hand, then delete. zzz (talk) 20:23, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

"people sitting at a mall exhibition sponsored by Sotherby's" - Is it not actually even Sotheby's own building? That really is ridiculous, then. My mistake. zzz (talk) 20:33, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Correct, the building is actually The Landmark (Hong Kong). Cheers. _dk (talk) 20:37, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

That 9/11 truther...
I'm confused, I'm seeing a mixture of simplified and traditional characters. Is this supposed to be a common occurrence in Hong Kong or something? -- benlisquare T•C•E 13:48, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
 * My personal opinion is that this confused presentation points towards the mainland being behind this certain group. I don't think 9/11 truthers are too common in HK, but these are unusual times. _dk (talk) 14:29, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Democracy & freedom of speech
What do you think about the hypocrisy & abuse of democracy? I may not agree with you, but I will defend to the death your right to make an ass of yourself.” - Oscar Wilde — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.188.208.97 (talk) 02:05, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
 * What do you think about Wikipedia's core policies? Because if you don't agree with them, you may as well leave. _dk (talk) 12:17, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

You may redefine Wikipedia's core value "the free encyclopedia that only Underbar dk can edit." Are adding facts & bracket-ing text with sources/links kind of vandalism? Well, this is typical way the main stream media suppress freedom of speech. Wikipedia is belong to you, Wikipedia may as well put Ads. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.188.208.97 (talk) 12:49, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I am not the only one who removed your WP:POV pushing. Seek consensus for your edits, and at the moment you don't have it. _dk (talk) 13:32, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

2014 Hong Kong Protests
As you were a participant in the move request at Talk:2014 Hong Kong protests, I wanted to inform you that the move has been proposed again and can be found here.--Yaksar (let's chat) 19:48, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

The Yellow Umbrella of Peace and Love

 * Thanks, ! I must say the feeling's mutual - your edits in that article is a source of level-headedness that can be hard to come by in such a contentious and complicated topic. :) _dk (talk) 16:00, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Hoi Fut Tin Hung
I made comment; you can decide to reply or not reply. --George Ho (talk) 02:22, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the notification . I have the page on my watchlist so I am aware of the discussion. _dk (talk) 02:24, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

Your definition of "notability"
What's your definition of notability? In the edit summary, you removed some content for being not notable. However, WP:N refers to only article topics. --George Ho (talk) 23:38, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
 * We routinely remove content for not being notable, see some examples in 2014 Hong Kong protests by your fellow editors. In this case, the article is vague and doesn't even describe how the poll was conducted. ETToday is also a shit source. _dk (talk) 01:04, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I have discussed your ways of defining "notable" as an example in WT:Notability. --George Ho (talk) 02:06, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

PAD incompatibility
Considering that PAD makes millions of dollars a day, has scores of millions of users who play several times a day, that the game isn't going to launch under Android 5.0 is a significant issue, and the article as presented is inaccurate. PAD does not play well with ART, relying upon Dalvik to parse properly. In short, once one allows the upgrade to 5.0, all those millions of PAD players are suddenly S.O.L. So... not only is the article inaccurate as you keep reverting it to, but for the sake of decency, people DESERVE to know that it's not going to run under 5.0. What's your problem with my edit? JT (talk) 02:29, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Simple. At the very least, don't sign your edits as you would on a talk page (That means no tildes like this ~ ). Then try to find a WP:reliable source that backs your statement, since the threshold for inclusion on Wikipedia is WP:verifiability, not truth. In short, we don't provide warnings for readers unless other sources did so beforehand. I hope this helps. _dk (talk) 02:35, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Cite provided. Feel free to fix the formatting if you like, and that would be appreciated. I'm not a Wiki addict, and never will be. Just interested in truth and facts. Gracias. Ciao. JT (talk) 02:39, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
 * It is not relevant to the long term discussion of the subject of Puzzle & Dragons to point out an incompatibility with a single new version of an operating system that will eventually be patched. Do not add it to the page, again.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 04:49, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Our new friend
I see you've already filed a request for a sockpuppet investigation. We tried communicating with him nicely but he doesn't seem to respond apart from reverting our reverts again and again. So... Have you considered bringing the case of our edit-warring friend to WP:AN3? I want to, but my computer is under repair now and it's rather inconvenient for me to make long edits using my iPad. Would you like to help? Thanks. LDS contact me 03:43, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I would like to see how the sockpuppet investigation goes first, if he is guilty of sockpuppetry he will be blocked anyways. And if we only go after one account he will just come back with a new one. _dk (talk) 04:20, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the thanks
Hi _dk, thank you for the Photographer's Barnstar and kind words. Just trying to report the happenings to a wider audience. Thank you for your contributions to the protest page and photo organisation! Citobun (talk) 06:44, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:SayanoUta.jpg
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Should we start a discussion seeing if we should add an option to the infobox for proposed banners/flags?
I feel it is for the same reason historic people can have images of artists paintings for their articles? As long as we note it, of course. Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed
 * No, no, no. Irrevocably no. _dk (talk) 03:13, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I'll probably start a consensus. I can see your reasoning for Eastern Wu, etc. but the flag image I put on the page for the Yuan dynasty actually is a popular and famous modern flag used for the Yuan dynasty. It wasn't some random person who made that Yuan flag. I've seen it used in popular culture.  And also, if we ever come across some ancient drawing of a battle between sides and one side has a flag depicted, would it be reasonable to get a workshop user or anyone who could do it decently to draw one up on like gimp or something? Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed
 * And why do you always root for making pages ugly? It's not like I put pictures of Dynasty Warriors characters on pages. And I'm still not over the fact we came to a consensus for renaming pages to "Guanqiu Jian and Wen Qin Rebellion".  I still can't read that without that being awkward as hell. Seriously who talks like that?  But in all honesty all I ever really wanted to do was to make these pages more appealing.  Our Red Cliffs article is our only great article and the rest of them are alright at best. Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed
 * You can start a discussion on the Yuan dynasty talk page and see how your views are received there. _dk (talk) 04:21, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
 * And have you and Lds be the ones to immediately say 'no'? And have all those who wide your bandwagons agree with you like ever other discussion? No way. I'll start a proposal discussing the matter in relation to all infoboxes sometime in the next week or two. Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed
 * Right, everyone who disagrees with you is in a bandwagon. Your choice. _dk (talk) 09:18, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Would you know how to convert lunar months to any modern named months?
Isn't it possible by converting, per se, the Battle of Dongxing was fought in the 12 lunar month of 252. Can't this be converted to a date in the Julian calender and then that could be used to identify the month (if it would have been December, etc)? Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed 21:48, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 * There are online converters that do this, like this one from the Academia Sinica. In this case though, the sources only mention the 11th lunar month as the time Wei launched its attack, and that corresponds to the time frame from 18 December 252 to 16 January 253. _dk (talk) 23:40, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 * And then do you have any idea for whatever this is depicting? Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed 00:01, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Hmm... good catch on the Red Cliffs painting. Wasn't sure what I was thinking. You can read Chinese right? If so, can you attempt to trace the author? I'm sorry. Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed 00:02, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
 * And for the red cliffs painting, if it's used on a .edu website it's likely to be in public domain. I just really need to find out who the author is etc. Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed 00:10, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
 * The Zhao Yun image is depicting Changban. It's the same picture as the one in that article right now. _dk (talk) 00:27, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
 * So was that a no to helping find some sort of info on that painting? It's a damn good one and it's not unreasonable to believe there is a high chance it is public domain. Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed 00:29, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
 * They're from a 2005 book illustrated by Robert Ingpen. This is found by searching the book title given on the .edu page you found the painting at. _dk (talk) 00:36, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay I'll consult you next time before uploading. Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed

Public domain question
Okay, so are these images in public domain? For example, this Taishi Ci one. . Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed 20:06, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Seems to me the books were published in 1909. Since we don't know who the artist is and when/if he or she had died, and public domain requires that "all non-photographic works enter the public domain fifty years after the death of the creator", it's a grey area. _dk (talk) 21:48, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
 * If they were born in 1909 then they would be dead most likely. It was 105 years ago. Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed 02:27, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I thought all works pre-1921 did not qualify for the 50 plus years? Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed 02:28, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Check PD-China _dk (talk) 04:48, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Why do you two oppose everything I do?
Everything I do. I joined the project when I was like 11 and yeah I was immature and made fake citations every now and then and I understand why that made me look bad. But I'm 16 now and I have come to realize that you two don't want me to do anything.

When I made the three rebellions in Shouchun into separate articles, you two forced the page to be renamed into a new name that was grammatically incorrect.

You two revert almost every change I make. (excluding the last Red Cliffs image I truly just made a mistake)

And the picture on Dongxing? Don't we aim to improve each page? It's not like it isn't good. If you could do better than do it. Because I sit here contemplating whether or not I should retire from the project again all because I get the feeling I'm not wanted.

I mean no harm because I truly look up to you two but I just wanted to clear things up? Sorry if this came out all rant-like. I'm just trying to sort things out. Best regards. Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed 23:28, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Look, I appreciate what you've been trying to do. We all have our strengths and weaknesses. I suggest you focus on what you're good at. Despite and me seeing eye-to-eye on many things, we are not working in tandem to get rid of you. _dk (talk) 02:30, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Eric, you don't seem familiar enough with the project to understand its rules and how it works, and you aren't very receptive when your mistakes are highlighted to you or even corrected for you in some instances. As dk said, we are not trying to force you out of the project, but some of your actions (e.g. edit warring on Gan Ning) are clearly going against the community's rules and norms. Calling us names such as 'dictators' won't be of any help to dispute resolution.   LDS  contact me 03:19, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I understand how you two view things and the intent behind it now, but as of now it's not really a matter of taking sides rather more it is a matter of you two make decisions and that decision goes unless acted upon by multiple users which is yet to happen. It's also something to do with the way you two go about and view things. For instance, when we created the three rebellions we had to change the name to First Rebellion in Shouchun etc because you insisted on lower-casing the R in "Rebellion" and then to avoid it you had a consensus to change the name to Wang Ling Rebellion, etc.  Which I don't know how that got pass because my Grammar Police-mind is going batshit insane just saying it. It's so grammatically incorrect.... Anyway we oppose each other in many ways and you guys never made an attempt to guide me or to aid in what I do. Honestly, I'm willing to forget everything we had warred about in the past. Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed 05:00, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

Would you mind translating the map on Conquest of Wu by Jin?
I can only read Xiapi and Wang Jun but nothing else. Cheers. Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed 21:14, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Along the top river, from left to right:
 * Red characters (Jin officials): Wang Rong, Wang Hun, Sima You
 * Black characters (Location names): Xiangcheng, Shouchun, Xiapi
 * Along the middle river, from left to right:
 * Red characters (Jin officials): Du Yu, Coordinator Jia Chong, Hu Fen
 * Black characters (Location names): Xiangyang, Jiangxia, Xiakou
 * Along the bottom river, from left to right:
 * Red characters (Jin officials): Wang Jun and Tang Bin, Wang Jun
 * Blue characters (Wu officials): Lu An, Sun Xin, Lu Jing, Yu Bing, Zhang Ti, Zhang Xiang navy, Sun Hao
 * Black characters (Location names): Ba commandery, Badong, Jianping (Mount Wu), Xiling, Jiangling, Baqiu, Wuchang, Xunyang, Jianye _dk (talk) 21:58, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed 00:30, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
 * In your translation, please swap the locations of Lu An and Sun Xin; Jiangxia and Xiakou; Zhang Ti and Zhang Xiang navy. Thanks. _dk (talk) 02:23, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed 03:09, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
 * And turn Zhang Ti and Zhang Xiang navy back to blue, please. _dk (talk) 04:25, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Oops Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed 06:18, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Would it be okay for me to make templates like this for appropriate articles so long that they have sufficient and relevant content?
User:Kamek98/Template:Campaignbox Sun clan It would make navigation and it would compliment the Campaignbox Three Kingdoms template already in each article. Thank you. Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed 00:32, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Also, another question. Are any of these fair game? Any ones, for example, Wuzhang plains if it is public domain, that need modern day structures removed I can do with healing and cloning on GIMP. Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed 01:00, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
 * The pictures are not fair game unless you can find the original photographer/illustrator. Looks to me that the owner of the website found those images elsewhere. About the template, if we do it that way, some articles would have two (or three) campaignboxes that has roughly the same content. I'm aware that the Sengoku period battle articles use this route, but I don't think it is as effective for the Three Kingdoms period. Cheers. _dk (talk) 01:22, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I see. I was wondering because some of the photos are black and white and look like they are from the late 1800s to early 1900s. I guess I'll work on the campaignboxes in my userspace and test them in previews on the actual pages with saving to see how it looks. But I can do that some other time. And I found where the images like that Taishi Ci one are from. They're from the Zengxiang quantu Sanguo yanyi (增像全图.三国演义.上) edition of the Qing print and I believe the illustrator must have died more than 50 years ago; unless they drew the pictures in their teenager years. For instance, say the edition was released in 1912 when the Qing fell.  Now lets say the illustrator was 20 at the time. If he lived to be 70 (which is around the time people start croaking I guess) he would have died in 1962. 50 years later it would be 2012. But the only date for a Qing dynasty edition would be 1906 (although I don't know if thats the Zengxiang quantu Sanguo yanyi? Maybe Mao Zonggang drew these in an earlier edition in the 1600s or 1700s?) and I doubt the person who drew these would have been as young as 20 in 1906.  Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed 01:29, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
 * That's why I said it's a grey area. Sure common sense would say that copyright should have expired already, but it's not conclusive evidence. I personally will not object if you upload those, but at your own risk. Zengxiang Quantu is the illustrated edition published in 1906. _dk (talk) 01:35, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay I think'll upload them. If they get taken down then at least we know it isn't public domain. Cheers. Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed 01:44, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I've also seen them used in Moss Roberts's edition of the book although they did not have the same writing on it (the pictures were the same) and for instance, the one used in Sima Yi's article is one of them and that has been uploaded since 2006 and no has cared yet. Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed 01:50, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
 * The year is 1888. I just found an identical one on Lu Meng saying the year was 1888. Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed 03:01, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

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So
What is your opinion about moving the three rebellions in Shouchun to Wang Ling's Rebellion, Guanqiu Jian and Wen Qin's Rebellion, and Zhuge Dan's Rebellion? If we go by most common usage when a definite name can not be determined aren't we suppose to go by that most common usage? I know the DW games are very BAD to use as references but they seem to be the most influential transmitter of the event.

A few years back when the RM was made (and when I was young and reckless, although I still am––just less now) an IP said that using Zhuge Dan Rebellion, for example, is what is preferred over possessive. Although understandable to fluent English speakers such as myself it is a faux pas in the English language. The actual preference is definitely possessive over noun adjunct. In fact, I only use attributive (I speak English as my first language and I take AP just sayin' haha) when saying things like soda can, garage sale, etc.

This still bares the question about the lower case or capital r/R. In my own opinion, not only is using a lower case r in a proper noun (because it is a historical event, such as Battle of the Bulge instead of Battle of the bulge) awkward–– but I also find it unreasonable because the most popular/frequent usage is capital. Although it shouldn't matter much because the term is collectively a proper noun.

I'm not trying to nag you into it but I just want you to consider my reasoning and tell me what you think.

Oh, and what a shame about the Yellow Turban Rebellion drawing. It's actually pretty good. If it does get taken down I'll probably end up working on doing one (that wasn't completed in 5 minutes just for the sole purpose of prettying up the Battle of Dongxing) over the course of the next few weeks or at least once my midterm exams are finished and I move onto my next semester of school.

Cheers. Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed 02:58, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
 * No opinion. _dk (talk) 03:37, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
 * All right. Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed 11:37, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Han Dynasty population
Was the population of the Eastern Han significantly smaller than that of the Western Han? Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed 19:58, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
 * From the Three Kingdoms article, Eastern Han had 56,486,856 in AD 156, and Western Han had 57,671,400 in AD 2. Not much of a difference to me. _dk (talk) 21:35, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

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reinserted World War II statement in Three Kingdoms article
The editor's statement that it was based on subjective was his own subjectivity. Numbers and statistics cannot be called subjective in this case. Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed 21:55, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Song dynasty painting
Thanks for the correction! Upon further inspection, especially the style of hats worn by the officials in that painting, I should have known better that it was a Song-dynasty painting and not a Yuan-dynasty one. It's a cool painting. I hope to find it another home in another article. ;) Cheers. Pericles of Athens  Talk 10:56, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
 * No problem! Perhaps a future Government of the Song dynasty or Military of the Song dynasty modelling the seminal work you did a few years ago would be a good place for the painting! It's good to see you around again :) (This is deadkid_dk, hope you still remember me lol.)  _dk (talk) 14:00, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Who could possibly forget the deadkid, especially with that morbid memorable name? ;) -- Pericles of Athens  Talk 21:32, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

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Square dancing DYK nomination
For your contributions to the expansion of Square dancing (China) I have added you to the DYK nomination because I think you deserve the credit. Are you OK with that? Daniel Case (talk) 19:43, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the honour, all that I did was merging content from Guang Chang Wu and making wikilinks - they are tiny efforts compared to your contributions in completely rewriting the article :) _dk (talk) 21:16, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Conditionals.
My recent edit has been reverted. I am about to change it back, but not before providing some explanation. It is a question of grammar.

"Xunzi holds that man is naturally inclined towards selfishness, and that if this inclination is not curbed, human societies would devolve into chaos."

These verbs are incompatible. Both

"Xunzi holds that man is naturally inclined towards selfishness, and that if this inclination is not curbed, human societies devolve into chaos."

and

"Xunzi holds that man is naturally inclined towards selfishness, and that if this inclination were not curbed, human societies would devolve into chaos."

are correct, though not equivalent. The first emphasizes a presumed necessary implicature, and the second emphasizes that devolution into chaos is counterfactual to the observed reality. I think the first is better. At any rate, the sentence as I found it ("is not curbed… would devolve") is simply incorrect.

Regulov (talk) 14:05, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Square dancing (China)
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Battle of Red Cliffs FA
Hello deadkid, this is Ling.Nut. Hope everything is going well for you! Sandy is apparently reviewing all old FAs or something. Do yo feel up to looking at Battle of Red Cliffs to see if it's still up to snuff, or if anything new can be added? I haven't looked deeply at the page in years. &bull; Serviceable&dagger;Villain 09:28, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Long time no see, man! I can think of a few areas to expand on...but I don't think I will have the time and energy to do anything to that article. Best wishes, _dk (talk) 09:31, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Just now changed my username to something less negative. If you ever think of stuff to add on and possible sources for it, pls email me, same email address. Thanks! And hope all is well... &bull; Arch&sect;Reader 09:33, 3 May 2015 (UTC)