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Question from Annika59 (19:40, 22 April 2024)
Hello, hope you are doing well. I have read all the initial Wikipedia policies. I have done some edits as well to practice and memorize the policies. The community has been very helpful as well. I want to learn to source editing. It seems to me some sort of a programing language, I don't know what it is called. If you can guide me regarding it, I will be very grateful. Thank you. --Annika59 (talk) 19:40, 22 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello -- honestly, I think the best way to learn how the markup works is to simply have a look at it when you're editing (most things, like text and links, are fairly self-explanatory if you look at the code and the finished article alongside each other). You might want to have a look at this help page, which has some of the basics on it.
 * You'll see a few templates (in pointy brackets, like this:  -- those each have their own documentation, which you can find by searching for Template: and then whatever is after the bracket but before the first | (so "Template:sfn" in this case). Generally speaking, you don't have to do too much with those to be able to do most things. UndercoverClassicist T·C 06:24, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello, Thank you so much. I would try to learn as much as I can, and ask you if anything henders. Thank you. Annika59 (talk) 01:03, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

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DYK for Anactoria
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RFA2024 update: phase I concluded, phase II begins
Hi there! Phase I of the Requests for adminship/2024 review has concluded, with several impactful changes gaining community consensus and proceeding to various stages of implementation. Some proposals will be implemented in full outright; others will be discussed at phase II before being implemented; and still others will proceed on a trial basis before being brought to phase II. The following proposals have gained consensus:

See the project page for a full list of proposals and their outcomes. A huge thank-you to everyone who has participated so far :) looking forward to seeing lots of hard work become a reality in phase II. theleekycauldron (talk), via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 08:09, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Proposals 2 and 9b (phase II discussion): Add a reminder of civility norms at RfA and Require links for claims of specific policy violations
 * Proposal 3b (in trial): Make the first two days discussion-only
 * Proposal 13 (in trial): Admin elections
 * Proposal 14 (implemented): Suffrage requirements
 * Proposals 16 and 16c (phase II discussion): Allow the community to initiate recall RfAs and Community recall process based on dewiki
 * Proposal 17 (phase II discussion): Have named Admins/crats to monitor infractions
 * Proposal 24 (phase II discussion): Provide better mentoring for becoming an admin and the RfA process
 * Proposal 25 (implemented): Require nominees to be extended confirmed

Question from Clive.tyesi on Calcium carbonate (06:29, 10 May 2024)
what is the aim of this investigation --Clive.tyesi (talk) 06:29, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Arthur Fulton (sport shooter)
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Arthur Fulton (sport shooter) you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Arconning -- Arconning (talk) 14:22, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

History of Christianity
I humbly ask (beg?) for any input you might be willing to give, especially on the high and late Middle Ages sections, after extensive rewriting of this page, that might help make it FA quality. Please. And thank you. Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:23, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Tiger PR
I listed tiger for peer review. Would appreciate a through review to prepare it for FAC. LittleJerry (talk) 13:59, 15 April 2024 (UTC)


 * What are your plans? I feel like it would be better if you reviewed it at PR than FAC. LittleJerry (talk) 23:37, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello -- I'll try to give it a look. UndercoverClassicist T·C 08:42, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello. Just want clarification if you intend to "nitpick" at PR. I think it would be better served there as there isn't a timeline. Thank you. LittleJerry (talk) 23:46, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from Annika59 (00:48, 11 May 2024)
Hello, hope you are doing well. I wanted to know, how to do cleanup of page like Alise Willoughby? Such pages have a few references, and there structure doesn't follow the conventional formate of Wikipedia articles. Kindly, guide me in this regard. Thank you. --Annika59 (talk) 00:48, 11 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello -- there are a few things that I would be looking at if overhauling the article:
 * Format: we don't generally use bold text outside subheadings and the subject's name in the first sentence. The list with bold starters like "Started racing" should be rewritten as continuous prose, in paragraphs. Elsewhere, wikilinks should be removed from subheaders.
 * Grammar: there are a number of incomplete sentences: these should be reworked into full sentences.
 * The "Note" asides, if considered helpful, would be better as footnotes: we don't generally use "editorial" asides in the body text of an article.
 * The list of titles is quite oddly formatted, and seems very long: I would try to work out which of these were particularly important, and which could be summarised, joined together or left out (given that she was a world champion at the time, for example, is it particularly notable that she also won a district-level competition in Minnesota in 2004?).
 * Referencing: quite a lot of the statements in the article have no apparent source: the ideal is that everything in an article can be referred to a reliable, independent source.
 * I hope this is helpful. You might want to take the article to Peer Review to get some more input on it, perhaps once you've had a go at these things. UndercoverClassicist T·C 10:56, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot. Most appriciated. Annika59 (talk) 18:45, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Arthur Fulton (sport shooter)
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Question from Br42092 (05:03, 17 May 2024)
How do I create a page about a business --Br42092 (talk) 05:03, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Homeric Hymns
The article Homeric Hymns you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Homeric Hymns for comments about the article, and Talk:Homeric Hymns/GA1 for the nomination. Well done! If the article is eligible to appear in the "Did you know" section of the Main Page, you can nominate it within the next seven days. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of The Morrison Man -- The Morrison Man (talk) 19:44, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from Under the unacknowledged on Marriage law (18:12, 9 May 2024)
Hello. What must be updated about this page? --Under the unacknowledged (talk) 18:12, 9 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Perhaps the laws in some countries have changed -- particularly around same-sex marriage, for instance? You'd have to do a bit of research to find out, but looking out for statements referenced to older sources and checking if they're still valid would be a good start. You might also look around in the news for headlines like "X legalises same-sex marriage". UndercoverClassicist T·C 21:03, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Wace in Rome
Hi there. I'm getting ready to upload some photos of sculpture in the Capitoline Museums, and in the course of preparing references and descriptions I've been looking at the old catalogue of the collection edited by Stuart Jones and published in 1912. The descriptions in that catalogue were written by various members of the British School, and although the entries are not individually credited, the Roman portraits were apparently the work of Wace (see the preface, p. iii). That was news to me, so I turned to your article, where I read this in the Early Academic Career section: "Wace worked briefly as a librarian at the BSR between 1905 and 1906, supported by a grant from the British government to allow the BSR to catalogue its sculpture collections." What is the intended antecedent of the possessive "its" in this sentence? The British School? The British government? Neither makes any sense: the BSR does not have an extensive sculpture collection, and obviously Wace did not catalogue the sculpture held by British government in the various museums in the UK. The principal source cited is the DNB article, and if you read the whole paragraph there carefully, I think you'll see that when Gill writes "to work on the catalogue of the [sic] sculpture collections", he is referring to Stuart Jones's project to catalogue the Roman municipal collections in the Capitoline Museum and Palazzo dei Conservatori. (See also Wallace-Hadrill, The British School at Rome: One Hundred Years (London 2001), pp. 27–28.) This could probably do with a little clarification. Cheers, Choliamb (talk) 14:02, 19 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Thanks -- I hadn't twigged about AWH's BSR volume, but it does clear up what wasn't particularly clear to me from the other sources -- adjusted the article to better clarify Wace's work and the nitty-gritty of the timeline. UndercoverClassicist T·C 18:24, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * On another note, and at risk of being forward, I've got George E. Mylonas up at FAC -- if you get a moment, would appreciate your thoughts. UndercoverClassicist T·C 18:27, 20 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I've been pretty busy, but I gave it a quick read, made a couple of minor corrections, and added a few comments to the FAC page.


 * I'm leaving one further note here, since it concerns a small point of style and is not worth cluttering up the FAC page. It is generally considered good editorial practice not to mix monotonic and polytonic Greek in the citation of the single work, as you have done in your listing of the Acropolis article in the 1980 volume of the Praktika of the Athenian Academy, where the title of the article is polytonic but the title of the journal is monotonic. It's one thing to mix polytonic citations and monotonic citations in the same article, if the works cited were originally published under different systems; but it is another thing to mix polytonic titles and monotonic titles in the same citation, since every publication was originally either one or the other. Whether or not to convert polytonic titles to monotonic when citing older Greek scholarship is a question that comes up constantly for academic publishers in classics and archaeology. Basically, there are two choices: (1) Preserve the accentuation of the original publication, or (2) convert everything to monotonic. The first option is more historically accurate, but it inevitably leads to the appearance of inconsistent accentuation in a work that cites many different Greek sources, and it's also more time-consuming, because publications that appeared during the changeover period in the 80s and 90s must be checked in order to determine which system they used. The second option is easier, saves time, and guarantees consistency, but at the expense of slightly misrepresenting works published more than a few decades ago, although admittedly not in a way that makes any real difference. Both approaches are perfectly defensible. Almost all Greek publishers are now exclusively monotonic (as is Greek WP), but the practice among Anglophone academic publishers varies depending on the policy of the press and the preferences of individual editors and authors. (Not surprisingly, classicists tend to be on the conservative side of this issue.) Whether intentionally or not, you adopted the first option: you used polytonic in the titles of Mylonas's publications when they were published that way, but monotonic in the names of 21st-century websites that were published in monotonic (e.g., Πρόσωπα της Εταιρείας: Mυλωνάς Γεώργιος in note 11 and Τακτικά μέλη της Ακαδημίας Αθηνών κατά σειρά εκλογής in note 82). That seems perfectly fine to me, EXCEPT for the inconsistency in the citation of the 1980 article. The Athenian Academy was still publishing in polytonic in 1980, and that's the accentuation you use in the title of the article, so I recommend that you change the title of the journal to polytonic as well (= Πρακτικὰ τῆς Ἀκαδημίας Ἀθηνῶν). The alternative is to change everything to monotonic, but there should be no mixing and matching within any single citation. Choliamb (talk) 11:21, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * This is all very good sense: slightly complicated by the fact that the Archaeological Society still publish (at least sometimes, and at least until very recently) in polytonic. I've tried to respect that: where a title was originally written in polytonic, I've tried to carry it through, although those titles are also often given in all-caps in the original and I don't have a great intuitive grasp of which accents go where (despite the best efforts of some very wise people to teach me the equivalent rules in Ancient Greek a long time ago!) hanged the 1980 title, with thanks. Other replies to follow on the FAC page. UndercoverClassicist T·C 19:27, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * This is extremely kind: thank you, Iazyges. Good to see you back around the place. <b style="color:#7F007F">UndercoverClassicist</b> T·C 19:36, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from TX2SBIGGESTFAN on Draft:TX2 (Evan Thomas) (03:42, 25 May 2024)
How do I create a section to write a new topic about this ariticle in? --TX2SBIGGESTFAN (talk) 03:42, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Begging bowl
I have Robert Schumann up for peer review, and if you happen to have time and inclination I'd value your comments. Natch.  Tim riley  talk   18:08, 24 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Will certainly take a look. <b style="color:#7F007F">UndercoverClassicist</b> T·C 10:06, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Nonmetal FAC #9
Are you able to comment on this nomination(?); there's no obligation. Thanks, Sandbh (talk) 03:33, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

TFA
Thank you today for Beulé Gate, "about the last major monument to be uncovered on the Acropolis of Athens, and indeed one of its last classical structures to be built. Constructed from the dismembered remains of the Choragic Monument of Nicias, the Beulé Gate was built to fortify the Acropolis in the Late Roman period, fiddled around with over the ensuing centuries, and rather ignominiously buried under an Ottoman cannon emplacement until 1852. Its discovery -- complete, as all good nineteenth-century archaeology was, with frankly irresponsible quantities of gunpowder -- led to celebration in France, indignation in Greece and a new hat (and possibly new trousers) for Kyriakos Pittakis."! -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:58, 29 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Gerda! Hope all's well with you. <b style="color:#7F007F">UndercoverClassicist</b> T·C 07:19, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * check out story and places, and you know ;) - how about you? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:09, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Narwhal
Hi. You've reviewed both of my FACs, so I was hoping you'd take a look at the peer review before the FAC later this month. I'd appreciate a critique of the prose, as that was the main reason for my last FAC failing. Wolverine XI  ( talk to me ) 10:00, 12 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello, can you please go over Narwhal as I plan to nominate it on June 1st? Will you please? Your feedback would be of great importance. I think it would be better if you posted your main concerns on the PR rather than the FAC. This reduces the chances of the article failing to hit the mark. Thanks for your time, Wolverine XI   ( talk to me ) 04:59, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from SMSIndigo (13:28, 29 May 2024)
I am editing correct information on Colors Kannada Wiki Page. But some sources are counting it as wrong and removing my edits. Please help me out. --SMSIndigo (talk) 13:28, 29 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello -- I don't know the specific situation here, but a few general things that tend to come up when this sort of thing happens:
 * Have you included the sources for the information you are adding? If not, any editor might remove it, as everything on Wikipedia should be cited to reliable sources.
 * If you have, is there a dispute about the reliability of the sources? For instance, sources which are self-published, are made by someone close to the subject at hand, or which have been judged to be unreliable might be treated as suspect and removed.
 * If you are adding material which is well sourced and reliable, it might be a good idea to open a discussion on the Talk page and tag the editors who are removing it, to see if you can establish why. If you can't agree between yourselves, there are a few (usually not decisive, but sometimes helpful) options, like agreeing to seek the view of an uninvolved editor, or to start a wider discussion to try and find consensus.
 * <b style="color:#7F007F">UndercoverClassicist</b> T·C 07:28, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

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DNP and BNP
I see Mylonas was promoted. Congratulations. Sticking this here since the FAC is closed, and it's more of a general point anyway. Most of the Neue Pauly supplemental volumes, including suppl. I.6 with the mini-biographies of classical scholars, are also available in English. In the Mylonas article you've cited the German version:



Nothing wrong with that, but the English version would probably be more helpful to most en-Wiki readers. Here's [https://referenceworks-brill-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/display/db/pse6 a link to the English suppl. I.6] via the Wikipedia Library; and here's the doi for the Mylonas entry by Panagiotopoulos:. Something to keep in mind for the future, since you're certain to refer to it again given the kind of work you do. Choliamb (talk) 13:59, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Consulting your advice on an academic's article
Good day! I've been loving your focus on the often neglected coverage of historians and archaeologists. I was thinking of following your footsteps down the line with Frederick Seguier Drake, but I am unsure what to do to get it to FAC-ready shape. I feel like I have exhausted all sourcing available, but I realize you might know other methods or places to look for coverage on academics, and what else might need to be shaped up about the article before its ready for that. Thank you very much for your time! Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 03:18, 3 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Just looking quickly at that article, I don't notice any obituaries -- have you had a look at journals in the field (JSTOR?) around the time of his death? . For archaeologists, you can often get good information about when they excavated at a certain place from the publications of their excavations. It does look from Google Books like much of the bibliography is in Chinese, which is pretty insurmountable for me but may not be a problem for you.
 * When I put in my first academic FAC (Panagiotis Kavvadias), I was advised to look particularly at the "legacy" section (i.e., to make sure that I had one): why was this person important in their field? Has their work had any impact, started any debates, been accepted or been criticised by the academic community? <b style="color:#7F007F">UndercoverClassicist</b> T·C 06:27, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Alan Wace
The safest time to run things at TFA is when they've recently been promoted ... would July 13 work for you? - Dank (push to talk) 05:34, 4 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Yup, works well! I'll put together a blurb but I'm never sure exactly where they're meant to be written? <b style="color:#7F007F">UndercoverClassicist</b> T·C 06:25, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * WP:TFAR isn't necessary, but for people who use TFAR, the blurb goes there. Otherwise, the blurb always goes on the talk page of the FAC nomination page. Feel free to write one, but I reserve the right to fiddle with it (and you can fiddle back). - Dank (push to talk) 13:44, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Brill: I've put something onto the Alan Wace FAC talk page. Very much just a first start. <b style="color:#7F007F">UndercoverClassicist</b> T·C 15:25, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Enormously helpful, thanks. - Dank (push to talk) 15:32, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm going to make a couple of edits ... if it's too much, you can revert, but I've found that using too many foreign or technical terms, no matter what the subject matter is, tends to draw scrutiny from the Main Page folks. - Dank (push to talk) 13:48, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Okay that's more or less it (except that now the blurb is one sentence too short ... anything you want to add?) - Dank (push to talk) 13:53, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Added something. Another option could be something about textiles? <b style="color:#7F007F">UndercoverClassicist</b> T·C 14:07, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Sure if you like, but what you added is great too. Thanks for tolerating my style ... it's really nothing more than guesswork based on past experiences. - Dank (push to talk) 14:13, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

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Cist grave
Hello, I've seen you made the redirect Cist grave but it loops back in on itself. Could you fix the redirect? <span style="color:#f80;font-family:'Cascadia Code',monospace">mwwv  converse ∫ edits  16:27, 10 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Oops! Now goes to the right place (Cist). <b style="color:#7F007F">UndercoverClassicist</b> T·C 16:32, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

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DYK for Arthur Fulton (sport shooter)
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Your GA nomination of Robert Alexander Neil
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DYK for Homeric Hymns
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