User talk:UnitedStatesian/Archive 7

Re: Featured topic candidates/Briarcliff Manor/archive1
Please stop making revisions to this page. The only way that topic becomes a featured topic is if 10 of its articles are either featured articles or featured lists. Articles can't simply be removed as you did here to make it have 2/3 featured articles.-- 十八 10:18, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

Frogs port
I noticed that all of the selected pictures at Portal:Frogs/Selected picture are identical. Not sure why this is the case, as each separate selected image page should have a different image, rather than the same one. North America1000 21:56, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
 * don't know either, I'll check it out. Thanks for the heads up.  UnitedStatesian (talk) 21:57, 30 April 2019 (UTC)


 * I noticed that you're working on it. While you're at the pages, would you mind removing the word "Description", and if present "Photo credit: name" for the image credit? It would really help out. At MfD people are complaining a lot about incomplete matters in portals. Regardless, since you're already working on the pages, it would save me the time of having to go and then make the corrections after you perform the fixes. North America1000 01:49, 1 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Also, please consider holding off on portal page moves. I just spent around two hours or so fixing Portal:Mesopotamia after your series of page moves of Portal:Ancient Near East to the Mesopotamia portal, and it's very tedious. The subpage formatting was all mussed up. North America1000 01:52, 1 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Could you please consider holding off on what appears to be your planned move of Portal:Library and information science? Again, other page moves you have performed is breaking portals. Sorry, and it's really not my thing to tell people what to do (hence the "please consider"), but I'm concerned at this point that in the process of breaking portals, you are also making them much more susceptible for nomination at MfD. Some users don't look into the history of portals at MfD, often only basing !votes upon what's immediately seen. I also don't want to have to spend hours performing fixes after hasty portal page moves. Hope you understand. North America1000 01:59, 1 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Sorry to inundate, but your page move of the main Creating Portal:Ancient Near East/Key topic page and its subpages to Portal:Mesopotamia/Key topic and those subpages has left all 21 entries broken, with redlinks reading, "Portal:Ancient Near East/Key topic/Layout". So, I'm going to fix this now too. Please stop moving pages around if you're not going to fix them in the process. North America1000 02:15, 1 May 2019 (UTC)


 * , thanks for cleaning up my mess; I unexpectedly got called away mid-cleanup or would normally have spent the hours needed to do it on all the portals myself (as I did previously for Portal:Business, Portal:Human sexuality, Portal:Mathematical analysis, several others), and will do it more quickly on any future moves. I think your concern is overdone, as none of the post-move Portals has been brought to MfD while the cleanup is in process.  I still think moving to a broader topic is a good idea, and think a move to Portal:Libraries is the one that makes the most sense to do next.  Are you ok with my doing that, along with all the necessary cleanup, given my above commitment? UnitedStatesian (talk) 10:58, 1 May 2019 (UTC)


 * I would prefer for the portal to stay as Portal:Library and information science. It's a broader topic in this format, whereas changing the topic to the narrower Library portal will lessen it's scope. The proof is in the categories:


 * Select [►] to view subcategories


 * Select [►] to view subcategories


 * At MfD, people are more for the broadest scope stuff staying around, and are eagerly wanting to delete narrower scope stuff. North America1000 11:08, 1 May 2019 (UTC)


 * I disagree; the categories are not a good indicator of scope. We have had libraries for nearly 3,000 years; both of the sciences are much more recent inventions.  And information sceince overlaps with Portal:Information technology, which goes against WP:POG's prohibition of redundancy. I will eventually take it to MfD at its current name. UnitedStatesian (talk) 11:24, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Nb. I have declined the G6 for the Portal:Libraries page again, as this is not non-controversial, in my view. I have commented at Portal talk:Library and information science, which is the preferred arena, so others can see what is occurring, and for the chance for others to opine. North America1000 07:42, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Page moves

 * I don't have time right now to address the Libraries matter. I have spent around 10 hours of my editing time now fixing the errors you have created all over the place by your page moves, and I am still finding more. You did not update the links on many, many of the pages, which I have been working on. At this point, your page moves are significantly disrupting Wikipedia. For example, at Portal:Monarchy, it was all lit up with red links on the main portal page after your page moves. This is not how Wikipedia is supposed to work. So, I have to request that you please follow the instructions at WP:MOVEPORTAL and have an administrator perform the page moves, because I will not be able to continuously spend hours fixing the hundreds of errors you have been creating. North America1000 14:06, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * OK. UnitedStatesian (talk) 14:09, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I restored that Royalty cat at Portal:Monarchy, in part because most of the content in the actual portal is about Royalty. You simply changed the title of the portal, but it was changed from Portal:Royalty, which most of the content is about. These page moves are also causing problems in that you're trying to change their topical scope too much, and way too fast. North America1000 14:19, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * If Royalty is under Monarchy (it is) and Royalty's full tree can be viewed by clicking on the arrow next to Royalty (it can) what is the value of repeating the entire Royalty tree a second time? UnitedStatesian (talk) 14:23, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Go look at the subpages I have been fixing. The content is mostly about royalty, royal subjects, palaces, etc. There is very little about actual governance. This is another reason why the page moves are very problematic. You're changing the topical scope, but not adding additional content to subpages about the more specific topic. Readers go to the page and it's full of information about royalty. It would be misleading to omit the Royalty category at this time per all of this. People will see only the Monarchy category and wonder why it is not particularly matching the content of the page, other than in a subcat amongst many. North America1000 14:35, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Take a look at Portal:Monarchy/Featured biography, the subpages of which I am fixing right now per the page moves you have performed; a bunch of red links. The portal's focus is on royalty at this time. Changing the name does not change all of the content. North America1000 14:39, 1 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Are you going to be able to fix the errors at Portal:Frogs/Selected picture, or per WP:MOVEPORTAL, should I post the request at Requested moves/Technical requests? North America1000 14:54, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * That was not a problem created by the move: when it was at Portal:Frogs and toads it had a single selected picture repeated every time. UnitedStatesian (talk) 14:57, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * All right. After spending hours fixing hundreds of errors you created, it's kind of easy to assume. At any rate, hopefully you're not angry or anything. You haven' thanked me or anything for the serious time I have spent to fix your errors. You don't have to, of course, it's just different. If it were me, I'd be thanking a person and helping out to correct my own errors. North America1000 15:03, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, thank you. I have been helping out too of course, and am happy to fix any errors you bring to my attention if you give me a chance to. UnitedStatesian (talk) 15:06, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Hey, thanks, just trying to let you know that I'm not much into ordering people around and all of that. Difficult to express exactingly in short notes, and I'm getting tired at this time. North America1000 15:10, 1 May 2019 (UTC)


 * After your page moves, almost all of the subpages listed at Portal:Zoos/Selected picture and Portal:Zoos/Selected article are broken with red links instead of content. North America1000 15:29, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅ Note: Portal:Zoos/Selected article/3 never existed. UnitedStatesian (talk) 15:39, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Listing here to denote, in the event you can chip in to fix errors. At Portal:Human sexuality/Selected article, all of the listed subpages are broken after your page moves. North America1000 15:38, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅ Via a hack; I will go back and do the real correction within 24 hours. UnitedStatesian (talk) 17:13, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Portal:Tamils/Selected article and Portal:Tamils/Selected biography: all broken. North America1000 15:51, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅ UnitedStatesian (talk) 17:07, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * All broken: Portal:Hellenism (religion)/Selected biography and Portal:Hellenism (religion)/Selected article
 * ✅ UnitedStatesian (talk) 17:07, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Cats in the Sandbox
Hello, and thanks for the tip. I noticed I'm now listed as having pictures from Wikimedia Commons. Is there a fix for this? Thanks Davidlwinkler (talk) 13:51, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't know; suggest you go to Help desk. UnitedStatesian (talk) 17:58, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Much obliged. Thanks (talk) 08:28 May 2019 (UTC)

Softwin
Hiya, I noticed you previously WP:PRODed Softwin. I had nominated it for deletion. If you are interested, please chime in at the article. --Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 15:53, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Portal: Geophysics
UnitedStatesian, thank you both for starting this AfD and for ending it. I wasn't very satisfied with the portal, and the comments inspired me to do better and think about what I want this page to do. I would like to respond to your plea to not waste time on a portal.

Geophysics is a big subject. Every year, about 25,000 scientists attend the American Geophysical Union meeting, and the range of subjects is mind-boggling. Based purely on the number of articles, the subject would easily merit a WikiProject, but I doubt it would attract enough editors to make it thrive. For me, this page is a sort of personal WikiProject, a way of showcasing the breadth and depth of the subject. I don't intend to spend a lot of time on it, but I have some ideas for making it better. For one thing, it's fun to add all of the Geophysics news stories that Wikinews overlooks.

I recently helped Ansel Adams, a page with 550,000 pageviews per year, achieve GA status. I just raised a stub, Primulaceae, to DYK status because it has been around since 2002 and has sister pages in 56 Wikipedias. Next, I am working to raise Momentum to GA status - it is level 3 vital and has 630,000 views per year. But sometimes I choose to do something that fewer people will see because it gives me satisfaction.

And in the final analysis, if we were only motivated by practical concerns, would any of us be editing Wikipedia? RockMagnetist(talk) 17:07, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Please STOP moving portal pages
You are still moving portal pages around, but breaking previous, non-automated versions of the portals in the process. Then, nobody can change the portals back to the pre-automated format without having to first go through your errors. This really needs to stop. I understand that you want the portals to be properly named, but breaking previous versions is not the way to go about it. North America1000 08:41, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Portal:The Bahamas/Selected article - All Broken
 * Portal:The Bahamas/Selected biography - All Broken
 * Portal:The Bahamas/Selected picture - All Broken
 * it broke because you reverted it to the multi-page version, NOT because I moved it: at the time of the move it had no errors. UnitedStatesian (talk) 13:42, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Some users are actively reverting automated portals to non-automated versions, and broken pages significantly impedes the process, creating more work for those who are performing the reversions. If you aren't going to fix the subpages after page moves, then please post your requests to Requested moves/Technical requests, rather than leaving broken subpages in place. North America1000 22:25, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
 * As I said before, It was a single page portal when I moved it, so there were no subpages for me to fix. UnitedStatesian (talk) 22:28, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Please Move Draft:Portal:Autism to Portal Space
Construction has finished and it is ready to .... well..... ready to portal :) -  Nolan Perry Yell at me! 14:18, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
 * done, now at Portal:Autism. UnitedStatesian (talk) 14:36, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

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Order of Nigeria

 * Thanks not quite saved yet, but hopefully that is the outcome.  Thanks for your excellent work as well. UnitedStatesian (talk) 14:20, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

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please move my GLAM pages back to what they were
Hi, I noticed that you changed the names of the pages in my GLAM page for the Harold B. Lee Library. I understand the desire to include punctuation in the URL, but please change it back. Changing the name changes the URLs, and I have directed students to the old URLs. I would prefer that they don't find broken links from those URLs. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 16:48, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Hey sorry about that; I believe I have just now recreated all of the pages without the period so they work, but if you see any other issues, please let me know.  Happy editing! UnitedStatesian (talk) 18:06, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I made the pages you missed into redirects. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 19:28, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

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Nomination of Portal:Adele for deletion
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Discussion at Talk:Sea
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Portal short descriptions
Would it save time to put the standard short description into Portal maintenance status, as has been done with Disambiguation, rather than adding it to each page? Using noreplace would allow it to be overridden for individual portals. (Example in Disambiguation page short description.) Also, would Wikipedia portal be a better description? Certes (talk) 14:19, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
 * The update is one click, so does not take that much time. And almost every portal has already had an SD added, so I don't think it is worth the effort to change the Portal maintenance status code. UnitedStatesian (talk) 14:23, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

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While I appreciate the effort in your recent edit to the lead section of Portal:Trains, the editors involved in WP:Trains have come to consensus some time ago that the text included on the portal is better than the lead section of the train article. There is a comment at the top of the section's source code that asks editors not to transclude the article lead there. Thanks! Slambo <small style="color: black;">(Speak) 10:44, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

User:Durova/Triple crown winner's circle
Hi there. Can you explain whether this edit of yours was made by Durova's request, or for some other good reason? Thanks, AGK  &#9632;  00:01, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
 * userspace redirects are not normally categorized with R to project space. Feel free to revert if you disagree with the blanking.  UnitedStatesian (talk) 03:22, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Keller Rinaudo has been accepted
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Speedy deletion nomination of DaVita Inc.


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WikiProject X Newsletter • Issue 14
Newsletter • June 2019

Updates: I've been focusing largely on the development side of things, so we are a lot closer now to being ready to actually start discussing deploying it and testing it out here.

There's just a few things left that need to be resolved:
 * A bunch of language support issues in particular, plus some other release blockers, such as the fact that currently there's no good way to find any hubs people do create.
 * We also probably need some proper documentation and examples up to even reference if we want a meaningful discussion. We have the extension documentation and some test projects, but we probably need a bit more. Also I need to be able to even find the test projects! How can I possibly write reports about this stuff if I can't find any of it?!

Some other stuff that's happened in the meantime:
 * Midpoint report is out for this round of the project, if you want to read in too much detail about all the problems I've been running into.
 * WikiProject Molecular Biology have successfully set up using the old module system that CollaborationKit is intended to replace (eventually), and it even seems to work, so go them. Based on the issues they ran into, it looks like the members signup thing on that system has some of the same problems as we've been unable to resolve in CK, though, which is... interesting. (Need to change the content model to the right thing for the formwizard config to take. Ugh, content models.)

Until next time,

-— Isarra ༆ 21:43, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Camarotoechia contracta has been accepted
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Draft:Thurston Hopkins
Hi. Regarding your edit, on Draft:Thurston Hopkins... I had a significant draft article written and another editor later created Thurston Hopkins. Thurston Hopkins is not as complete as Draft:Thurston Hopkins. I have been intending to initiate some kind of merge, I have seen it described somewhere how that is done where acknowledgement is given to the prior draft; I have a bookmark for that somewhere. Please can you undo the redirect so that I can seek help with making the merge happen. I made a change to the article today such that would indicate that I intended to continue work on the article, as stipulated in the CSD instructions. Thanks.-Lopifalko (talk) 17:36, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
 * all the previous work can be found in the history of the draft; for any edits that copy material from the draft's history to the article, just put "copied from Draft:Thurston Hopkins" in the edit summary. UnitedStatesian (talk) 20:00, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: HiSmile (June 29)
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Tagging empty categories
Hello, UnitedStatesian,

Please remember when you tag empty category with Twinkle to send a notification to the category creator. You can easily set this in your Twinkle Preferences for CSD C1 tags (look for "Notify page creator when tagging with these criteria:" and include C1). I was recently brought to ANI with a complaint from an editor who had created a category that he had not been notified before the category was deleted so this is the now standard procedure for all CSD tags if you haven't already been doing it.

Thank you for your hard work! Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 03:16, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
 * thanks so much for the heads up; updated my Twinkle preferences just as you suggest. UnitedStatesian (talk) 03:22, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

New Page Review newsletter July-August 2019


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Your support for new climate change project?
Hi Are you maybe interested in adding your own name in support on the climate change project proposal? Just wondering

Thanks! Cadar (talk) 08:06, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
 * afraid I am stretched thin by other areas of WP. But I support your excellent efforts as a non-member! UnitedStatesian (talk) 19:58, 5 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi I do understand what you mean, I'm finding myself very busy these days as well. I haven't even looked at the climate project for a couple of days.
 * Having said that, if I understand correctly, then editors can support the creation of a project without having to also commit to working on it. You possibly know more about it than I do, but if that's the case, could you just add your name as a supporter, and by all means state you won't be able to commit to it? It would be most appreciated
 * Thanks! Cadar (talk) 23:05, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

ATA 100 Changes
Your changes to the entry for ATA 100 were quite destructive and removed useful reference information that changes extremely rarely. ATA Chapters are a specification for organizing information, similar to the Dewey Decimal categories that are enumerated on that topic's entry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=ATA_100&type=revision&diff=904136364&oldid=899557435

I would appreciate the return of what was built here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.225.34.165 (talk) 23:00, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

Cross-wiki article soft redirects
Cross-wiki article soft redirects are invitations to those who are able to make translations. Otherwise there are just red red links. Peter Horn User talk 19:31, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I am of the opinion that the redlink is actually more inviting to prospective article creators. UnitedStatesian (talk) 19:57, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
 * A mere red link makes for a lot of research and time to find the corresponding article in the original language. It took me a lot of time. Time saving compromise would be for example Émile Henricot (fr:Émile Henricot) counterweight handbrake (de:Wurfhebelbremse). That way a would be translators will be able to find the French or German language language texts immediately without wasting much, if any, time.  Peter Horn User talk 20:22, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Provided it's not overused in any one article, I'm happy with the idea of a red link with the interwiki blue link in brackets for the reasons you suggest. Bermicourt (talk) 20:25, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
 * On second thought, the soft redirects are in some cases linked to many articles. To provide a blue link to another language in each one of these articles is, again, a lot of work. One can't win. Soft redirects would save work and time in many cases. Peter Horn User talk 20:37, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
 * There is, as in → Émile Henricot. Once the article exists at English Wikipedia, the link to French will vanish. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 16:35, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

Your personal question from AfD Portal:Climbing
I am a software developer with an interest in rock climbing. I have joined the English Wikipedia because I saw the poor state of climbing articles on this site. It is even worse than on the German Wikipedia, which I read, but don't contribute to. When I looked at the climbing related WikiProject I saw its portals had been deleted twice because of low quality and lack of maintenance. A centralized hub is important for the improvement of a topic. Plain boring lists of links that you can hover over are nice and all, but that is not how people do things outside of this website (If a UX designer would see this, he would shoot himself in the head).

So I decided to join and make one myself. One that is visually engaging, acts as a guide to the most important climbing topics, but is also automated so it can function without requiring an active editor at all times. And as you said, you have no problems with its quality, so maybe I did a good job. I have tried to incorporate the concerns of those people who were adamantly against portals in these RfCs about their future. Sadly, it gets deleted anyway on a backwards "Miscellany for deletion" technical page that apparently nobody reads besides the same three editors who vote delete on all portal entries (No offense intended). If this goes through then I will probably leave this project. I don't think I want to continue working on it if this is how things are done around here. This is not supposed to be a threat meant to influence the deletion vote, hence I posted it here. I hope this answered your questions. Hecato (talk) 08:19, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your thoughtful response.  I would encourage you, even if the Portal is deleted, to continue to contribute to the articles on climbing and in any other areas that interest you, and not to read the narrow discussions related to the Portal namespace as hostile to high quality treatment of the subject in all the other ways that are possible on Wikipedia.  UnitedStatesian (talk) 12:51, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi Hecato, hope you don't mind me butting in here too.

First, it's great to see a skilled and enthusiastic editor such as yourself joining wikipedia. Welcome!

However, regardless of the outcome of the deletion discussion, I would strongly advise against making a portal your main thing. Portals on Wikipedia are a backwater which get abysmally low page views. There are many reasons for that, which I won't rehearse here, but I can absolutely guarantee that a climbing portal will not be a significant exception to that pattern. So no matter how good a job you do on the portal, you would be extremely lucky to get its readership up to even one tenth of the readership of the head article Climbing.

Climbing got an average of 237 daily pageviews in the first half of 2019. One tenth of that is 24 views per day, which would put the climbing portal at #338 out of 904 portals. That would place it ahead of most country portals, and ahead of other sports portals such as Portal:Golf and Portal:Tennis. The latter two are sports with a mass spectator following, which climbing lacks, so the chances of overtaking them are very low.

It seems to me that the real issue wrt en.wp's coverage climbing is that the head article Climbing is in poor shape. It has been assessed as start-class, but it's really barely beyond a stub. Improving that head article would do far more to boost readership of climbing topics than any portal could possibly achieve.

You say that our concern is the poor state of climbing articles on this site. To put it simply, if the articles are poor, then make them better. You can do that my editing them yourself, and/or by collaborating with other editors through WP:CLIMBING. But making a portal, no matter how good a job you do, won't improve a single article.

Hope this helps. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 14:19, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Dear user BrownHairedGirl As it so happens I already have that many pageviews pageviews for Portal:Climbing (Daily average: 29). I assume you are going to change your vote to "keep" now? Hecato (talk) 14:29, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh dear, oh dear, oh ear.
 * The pageviews for the last 6 days are distorted by the edits which you have made, by your own views of it, by those of other editors to whom you have advertised it.
 * So that figure of 29 is mostly noise, and utterly useless as evidence of long-term readership. You claim to be a software developer, which is a role which requires at least basic mathematical skills, so I have no doubt that you were well aware of that distortion before you chose to try to base an argument on it.
 * And in any case, I never set a pageview target.
 * So I want to make a sincere apology for my welcome to you. I mistakenly described you as skilled, whereas you have just revealed yourself to be a childish eejit, on whom I wasted some of time explaining some context only for it to be used for a smartarse trolling comment.
 * That sort of juvenile idiocy is not welcome at all. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 14:55, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I must be mistaken, but did you not say 24 views per day was a goal I could not reach because it would put me on par with such portals as Golf and Tennis? And since you have explained so kindly in the deletion discussion a portal needs to have a breadth of subject and large pageviews (both of which are measured by pageviews apparently). What am I to make of this? All the metric we have is pageviews and those say my portal must be good. If this one metric we have is not usable then the deletion discussion must be aborted by all means, do you not agree? Hecato (talk) 15:06, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
 * @Hecato, before you comment again, you should read this. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 15:28, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I have no interest in your personal insults, it is clear to me at this point that it is impossible to change your mind. You use policies when they suit you and you ignore them when they don't. User UnitedStatesian was at least intellectually honest. Hecato (talk) 15:33, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
 * By the way, if I needed any more convincing to leave this project, this discussion I just had with an Administrator was it. Hecato (talk) 15:46, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
 * @Hecato, I change my mind when the facts change or when a significant new interpretation is revealed. But if you ever want to change my mind, don't play games.  I have a very low tolerance for tricks like misrepresentation and tendentious statistics. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 16:28, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
 * User:Hecato - User:BrownHairedGirl is specifically saying that she doesn't tolerate the misuse of statistics. She wasn't referring to the proper use of statistics.  People who are knowledgeable in statistics, and I think that BHG is one, know the difference.  I am perhaps even more intolerant of the misuse of statistics.  I have forgotten all of the higher mathematics that I learned in college, but I haven't forgotten statistics, or high school math.  Robert McClenon (talk) 02:49, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

DS Alert - climate change
NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 02:02, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Comments
Just sending this FYI to everyone recently in the topic area who doesn't have one in the last 12 months. And before I posted here, I sent one to myself too. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 02:02, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of Portal:Explosives for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether Portal:Explosives, a portal you have made significant contributions to, is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The page will be discussed at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Explosives until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the page during the discussion, including to improve the page to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the deletion notice from the top of the page. North America1000 08:20, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Elimination of fraternities at Williams College (July 21)
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Portal:Punjab, Pakistan
You may wish to delete Portal:Punjab, Pakistan. Yours aye, Buaidh  talk contribs 18:38, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Done, thanks! UnitedStatesian (talk) 18:43, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

Hey
This probably constitutes edit warring. I had just removed exactly that pointless description, because it was pointless. Why did you restore it? Perhaps more pointfully, what could be done to the script to help you notice that you're re-adding exactly the same thing that you or someone else added, so you don't accidentally engage in edit wars? WhatamIdoing (talk) 05:38, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
 * sorry about that, and you are correct, there is nothing in the script to identify a re-add. I would suggest if you come across a short description that is problematic, rather than deleting it, you change it to none; this will ensure the script does not identify it as missing and create the risk of a re-add.  I have done that on the Universities list.  UnitedStatesian (talk) 15:42, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
 * That ...doesn't seem to work the way I think you intended it to. For one thing, your edit on Wikidata is probably a violation of Wikidata's rules on labels.
 * Could there maybe be a system by which all the WikiProjects get processed one day, generic labels never get added, and then everyone agrees to just leave them alone after that?
 * Or maybe that's not a good idea. It might help if I understood what the point of adding this template to non-mainspace pages is supposed to be.  (I know what it does .  I don't understand why anyone would possibly care, outside the mainspace.)  WhatamIdoing (talk) 03:28, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I have reverted the Wikidata edit, though I know of no rule that the edit violated. Because non-mainspace pages are visible using the WP mobile app, short descriptions are used on them; in terms of process, I would suggest you contact WikiProject Short descriptions so any suggestions you have can be considered by a broader audience. I note that no other wikiPorject has contacted me to raise an issue with "Wikimedia subject-area collaboration" as a short description on a WikiProject. UnitedStatesian (talk) 03:36, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Have you read d:Help:Label? Don't pay too much attention to the "proposed" template at the top:  Wikidata is slow to formally adopt rules, but these are the ones that are enforced by that community.
 * It appears that there are four hundred of these pointless copies of Wikidata's non-descriptions of WikiProject pages. I wish you would stop doing that.  Improving descriptions is good; copying poor ones between projects is not.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 04:55, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
 * We obviously disagree. Happy to listen to a third opinion if you feel strongly enough to solicit one. Of course I am not going to intentionally edit war if you want to remove all the edits I made. UnitedStatesian (talk) 05:00, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I refer you to this thread. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 10:47, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I am well aware of the thread; I think its pretty clear conclusion is that "Wikimedia subject-area collaboration" is an improvement over no short description at all (especially in cases like WikiProject Furry where the title alone is unclear), and any editor is welcome to further improve the short description; the fact that in 400 cases no editor has done so shows me that short description is actually pretty good. UnitedStatesian (talk) 11:44, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Hamiltonian group action (August 1)
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"Mrs. Obama" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Mrs. Obama. Since you had some involvement with the Mrs. Obama redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. UnitedStatesian (talk) 12:52, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Just saw this. I made the redirect 10 years ago and therefore don't remember making it so I have no comment on it but I appreciate you letting me know. FlyingLeopard2014 (talk) 20:07, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Armenia portal


A tag has been placed on Category:Armenia portal requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the category has been empty for seven days or more and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion.

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Ethiopia portal


A tag has been placed on Category:Ethiopia portal requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the category has been empty for seven days or more and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 01:29, 24 August 2019 (UTC)


 * It feels really weird to leave you, UnitedStatesian, these templates. You know the routine, the empty categories sit for a week and if they are still empty next Friday, they will be deleted. If you can use them, fill them up! Thanks for not only tagging categories but creating them, too. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 01:35, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
 * No worries, and again, you're very welcome. UnitedStatesian (talk) 03:43, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Asking for assistance with public company article
Hello UnitedStatesian. I am employed by a communications firm, and I have been working since May 2019 to improve a draft of an article for a client, Resideo, a public company operating in the smart-home technologies marketplace. In response to feedback from Wikipedia reviewers on previous drafts, I have made improvements on sourcing and, I believe, I have removed all promotional language that may have been biased. I researched other company pages created as a result of spin offs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Corporate_spin-offs) and used them as inspiration for the Resideo article structure. Before I resubmit this for approval, I would appreciate any feedback from you that would further improve the article or any comments you have on the subject's notability. I understand I am working in a conflict of interest/paid editing situation, which is why I am asking for your help. Here is a link to review it in the draft space: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Resideo Nellie04 (talk) 19:08, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Template:WikiProjectCSBTasks
I was trying to help, but I'm not sure I was suppossed to do what I did. I was writing like it was a talk page instead of a template. I noticed that you edited the template before I did. Is there something I should have done differently here/or a checklist of some sort before adding to it? Clovermoss (talk) 14:17, 31 August 2019 (UTC)≥
 * Update: It's been fixed by . The comment/signature didn't belong on the template. Clovermoss (talk) 22:40, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

cat keys
I don't know anything about categories..... should global warming also be a cat key? Of is it automatically includd as a sub cat of climate change? NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 10:42, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Template:WikiProject Trains
Hi, re : please note that TF_2_QUALITY is not a yes/no parameter - all non-blank values are treated as "yes". Removal of values for  has also caused problems. All that you have done is move pages like Talk:Aberdeen railway station from and  (which both exist) to  and  (which do not exist). Please revert your changes and test thoroughly before reinstating. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 20:47, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Reverted. Will continue testing. UnitedStatesian (talk) 21:54, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
 * -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 22:23, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

New Page Review newsletter September-October 2019
Hello ,

Instead of reaching a magic 300 as it once did last year, the backlog approaching 6,000 is still far too high. An effort is also needed to ensure that older unsuitable older pages at the back of the queue do not get automatically indexed for Google.
 * Backlog

A proposal is taking place here to confirm a nominated user as Coordinator of NPR.
 * Coordinator

Why I Hate Speedy Deleters, a 2008 essay by long since retired, is still as valid today. Those of us who patrol large numbers of new pages can be forgiven for  making  the occasional  mistake while  others can learn from  their 'beginner' errors. Worth reading.
 * This month's refresher course

Do bear in mind that articles in the feed showing the trash can icon (you will need to have 'Nominated for deletion' enabled for this in your filters) may have been tagged by inexperienced or non NPR rights holders using Twinkle. They require your further verification.
 * Deletion tags

Please be sure to look for the tell-tale signs of undisclosed paid editing. Contact the creator if appropriate, and submit the issue to WP:COIN if necessary. WMF policy requires paid editors to connect to their adverts.
 * Paid editing


 * Subject-specific notability guidelines' (SNG). Alternatives to deletion
 * Reviewers are requested to familiarise themselves once more with notability guidelines for organisations and companies.
 * Blank-and-Redirect is a solution anchored in policy. Please consider this alternative before PRODing or CSD. Note however, that users will often revert or usurp redirects to re-create deleted articles. Do regularly patrol the redirects in the feed.

Regular reviewers will appreciate the most recent  enhancements to  the New Pages Feed and  features in the Curation  tool, and there are still more to  come. Due to the wealth  of information  now displayed by  ORES, reviewers are strongly  encouraged to  use the system now rather than Twinkle; it  will  also  correctly  populate the logs.
 * Not English
 * A common issue: Pages not in English or poor, unattributed machine translations should not reside in main space even if they are stubs. Please ensure you are familiar with WP:NPPNE. Check in Google for the language and content, and if they do have potential, tag as required, then move to draft. Modify the text of the template as appropriate before sending it.
 * Tools

Stub sorting, by SD0001: A new script is available for adding/removing stub tags. See User:SD0001/StubSorter.js, It features a simple HotCat-style dynamic search field. Many of the reviewers who are using it are finding it an improvement upon other available tools.

Assessment: The script at User:Evad37/rater makes the addition of Wikiproject templates extremely easy. New page creators rarely do this. Reviewers are not obliged to make these edits but they only take a few seconds. They can use the Curation message system to let the creator know what they have done.

is now patrolling certain categories of uncontroversial redirects. Curious? Check out its patrol log.

Go here to remove your name if you wish to opt-out of future mailings. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 22:15, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Mining portal


A tag has been placed on Category:Mining portal requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the category has been empty for seven days or more and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 01:15, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

First "Current events" posting
Greetings UnitedStatesian, Tonight I posted for first time to here. I checked Portal:Catholicism News and the C.E. posting did appear immediately. That Transclude selected current events works great! Thanks for your help setting that up. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 02:36, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
 * You are very welcome . Thanks for all your good work on the Portal. UnitedStatesian (talk) 15:36, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Please support the Sustainability Initiative!
Hi UnitedStatesian, as a member of WikiProject Climate Change, I would like to invite you to support the Wikimedia Sustainability Initiative by adding your name to the list of supporters. Thank you, --Gnom (talk) 18:49, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

cats
re - thought that was in the "hidden text" part - didn't notice it was showing. ty. — Ched (talk) 09:03, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Regarding draftpages
Hi, could you explain a little more about your edit, please? I know that I have to alter wiki-linking and photos and such enough so they don't get 'counted' in wiki-usage until they go live, but I thought categories weren't part of that. If you know of a guideline regarding this, that would really help out a lot. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 16:57, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Sure, thanks for the question.  The relevant guidance is at WP:USERNOCAT; let me know if you need anything else. UnitedStatesian (talk) 16:59, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Regarding process for pages for organizations
Hi, I created a page Draft:Reverse Logistics Association, which was recently deleted due to inactivity. I hadn't made any edits, because I was still waiting for a response to questions I tried to ask. The standard for notability requires outside mention in significant sources, as I recall. While I understand the relevance of this threshold for individuals, it seems to me that for organizations, there could be other standards of notability. Magazines and websites are filled with profiles of individuals. Organizations don't receive that kind of media coverage, because people wouldn't want to read them. People already know what the most significant organizations in their field are.

I looked at the other professional organizations that are related to the RLA, and none of them presented evidence to meet the stated threshold of notability. I'm not saying all of those pages should be taken down, I'm just saying the RLA is actually more notable than them. The RLA is regularly quoted as being authoritative about the state of industry in places like the Wall Street Journal. If the WSJ thinks so highly of an organization as to ask its opinion on things, that is a lot more evidence for notability than the other organizations have provided. If academics cite the organization's information in their research, that's another strong piece of evidence of the stature of the organization, and much more important than a short profile article in some other publication. An organization should be judged by what it does for the people in its area/industry/whatever, by the value it contributes.

I would like to make this argument to someone, but I can't figure out how to accomplish that. I know that all of you volunteers can't respond to everyone's questions. But I've written something like this on other editors' pages, and never gotten any suggestions, so any suggestions you can make would be appreciated. Thanks Rontl (talk) 01:55, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia, and for your questions; I see you have already requested it be undeleted, which is the first step. Once it is, if you point me to where you asked your questions, or if you don't mind re-asking them here, I will try to be as helpful as I can as you edit the draft.  Best, UnitedStatesian (talk) 02:04, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for reinstating my draft!

My submission was rejected because an editor felt it didn't meet the standard for notability. The definition of notability is "significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources." I am working to collect more coverage about the RLA, which I will add to the entry. However, there are already cites in the draft of the RLA being quoted numerous times in places like the WSJ and Forbes. Those publications have come to the RLA for information, and quote what it has to say, and these publications are clearly "published, reliable, secondary sources."

The quotes in those sources have apparently been dismissed as "passing mentions." Having the Wall Street Journal ask the organization for information is not a "passing mention." Wikipedia and Wiktionary don't have definitions of "mention in passing," but Collier's says "If you mention something in passing, you mention it briefly while you are talking or writing about something else." The RLA is not being mentioned in passing in the cites I have provided; it has been actively sought out by the authors of these articles for its expertise. The journalists' whole point of quoting the RLA is to convey to the readers the information from the representative of the group. A mention in passing is would be "there are many supply chain organizations, such as the Reverse Logistics Association, INFORMS, and the Council of Supply Chain Management Professionals who all..."

Since these quotes are clearly not mentions in passing, is the problem that I just don't have enough of them to be "significant?" If that is the case, how many more are needed to be "significant?"

Or, is the problem that "significant coverage" is interpreted to mean long articles strictly about the article’s subject? I know that the ones I have so far are only short quotes, not long profiles, but Forbes and the WSJ don't do long profiles on organizations. I could understand the relevance of long articles for individuals, movie stars, companies, or products. But for non-profit trade groups, that seems like much too high of a bar. The WSJ writes articles about new companies all the time, because people want to learn about new companies and new products. But they don't write long articles about new trade groups, because nobody cares about a brand new trade group, because they haven't done anything yet. And there isn't any need to write long articles about established trade groups, because everyone in that industry already knows about the group, which is going about its work.

My final issue is the fact that virtually none of the articles about peer trade groups come close to meeting the standard my article is being held to. On the list of Trade Groups, where my article would be classified, there are many related to logistics, at the bottom of the page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_industry_trade_groups_in_the_United_States

If you look at all of those pages (and I have), very few of them even bother to offer evidence that they meet the definition of notability, and those that try don’t meet the standard my article is being held to. My draft has, to me, more evidence of notability than any of those other trade group articles. And if my article doesn't have enough, than neither do those articles, and they should all be deleted, too. But I don't want theirs deleted. I just want mine to join theirs. I have the Wall Street Journal and Forbes quoting the RLA as a reliable source. To me that's proof that it is an organization being an accepted authority within its field.

I may be tilting after windmills here, but it seems to me that there is evidence of significant coverage, not just in passing, and that the peer trade group articles have not met this standard, and yet those articles are allowed, while mine is not. So, to summarize my questions Thanks again. Rontl (talk) 18:38, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
 * 1) Since my evidence is clearly from "published, reliable, secondary sources," and these quotes are “not just passing mentions”, how much more do I need to have to amount to “significant coverage?”
 * 2) Specifically, how many more quotes do I need in the WSJ, etc., to add up to “significant coverage”?
 * 3) Why is this article being held to a different standard than the articles about similar organizations?
 * thanks again for your questions and continued work. "Significant coverage" can be tough to understand, but it comes down to this: quotes from a trade association's people in an article that has a different subject (such as Reverse logistics itself) do not qualify as significant coverage, no matter how many of them there are; the trade association itself has to be the subject of the article.  Think of an article headlined "Acme Corp's CEO, others, single out RLA as the most powerful lobbying force on Capitol Hill": that would probably qualify (if in a reliable source, and resulting from the source's independent reporting, not regurgitation of a press release).  As to your question of the apparent inconsistent standards, that is unfortunately a fact of Wikipedia; eventually articles that do not meet the standard and are not improved will be deleted, but in the meantime we want to prevent new articles from being added that do not meet the standard. Happy to look at any sources you uncover and give my comments.  UnitedStatesian (talk) 03:35, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

WikiProject status
Hi, re and many similar edits: why are you putting  at (or close to) the bottom? -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 19:10, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
 * thanks for the question. Where the WikiProject has a sophisticated layout with tabs or boxes, like WikiProject Doctor Who, my fear is that the status template at the top would detract from the aesthetics of the Project page and thus make it likely the add would be reverted.  But if you or any other editor feels the placement is ok at the top, please feel free to move it there. Best, UnitedStatesian (talk) 19:14, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Companies listed on Investors Exchange


A tag has been placed on Category:Companies listed on Investors Exchange requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the category has been empty for seven days or more and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 01:43, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Rakuten US (September 24)
<div style="border: solid 1px #FCC; background-color: #F8EEBC; padding: 0.5em 1em; color: #000; margin: 1.5em; width: 90%;"> Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by AngusWOOF was:

The comment the reviewer left was:

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.


 * If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Rakuten US and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
 * If you now believe the draft cannot meet Wikipedia's standards or do not wish to progress it further, you may request deletion. Please go to Draft:Rakuten US, click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window, add "db-self" at the top of the draft text and click the blue "publish changes" button to save this edit.
 * If you do not make any further changes to your draft, in 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
 * If you need any assistance, you can ask for help at the [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&preload=Template:Afc_decline/HD_preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=Draft:Rakuten_US Articles for creation help desk], on the [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AngusWOOF&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&preload=Template:Afc_decline/HD_preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=Draft:Rakuten_US reviewer's talk page] or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

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Notice
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Topic Ban Request: TakuyaMurata. Hasteur (talk) 23:54, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

G13
Please be more cautious and do your due diligence before adding G13 tags. I had literally contested the addition of it no less than 2 hours prior to your re-adding it. Praxidicae (talk) 16:11, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
 * thanks for the note, and sorry about that. I will do so. Best, UnitedStatesian (talk) 16:17, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

Sandbox categories
Thanks for your prompt action here. I'm usually aware of this problem but simply forgot. As I'm just working a section at a time through a near-stub, I shouldn't have copied them over in the first place. Sjwells53 (talk) 12:34, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Redirects is draft space
Re draft:Sumantomondal/sandbox which was a redirect to draft:Parvaaz (band) and several similar. I take the view that redirects in draft space are harmless and can be left until the clap of Doomsday. It is a waste of your time tagging them and of an admin's time deleting them. Indeed a redirect from draft space to mainspace is useful as a record of a draft being accepted. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:33, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I agree that when the title matches, at least closely, draft-to-mainspace (and draft-to-draft) redirects are fine and I have not CSD'd them. But erroneous titles, on the other hand, pollute the searchbox when it is used to search for drafts by titles, and should be deleted.  UnitedStatesian (talk) 01:30, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

excellent
good stuff getting userspace out of insect and other categories - well done ! JarrahTree 05:23, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
 * thank you very much, always nice to get good feedback. UnitedStatesian (talk) 05:25, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

WikiProject X Newsletter • Issue 15
Newsletter • September 2019

A final update, for now:

The third grant-funded round of WikiProject X has been completed. Unfortunately, while this round has not resulted in a deployed product, I am not planning to resume working on the project for the foreseeable future. Please see the final report for more information.

Regards,

-— Isarra ༆ 19:23, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Portal:Central America
Just to let you know that User:Guilherme Burn, undid your redirect saying that Central America isn't part of Latin America. It is part of Latin America, so I undid him twice. He undid my redirect both times. So you will have to nominate this portal again.Catfurball (talk) 21:23, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Nobody undid the redirect. It was a portal created from a redirect. What's the problem with that? This is a portal with single-page layout that I consider as an important case study for automation tools. As I said in the edit summaries it's okay to make it a redirect again, per MfD or merge proposal.Guilherme Burn (talk) 23:33, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

MfD nomination of Portal:Universities
Portal:Universities, a page which you created or substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; you may participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Universities and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You are free to edit the content of Portal:Universities during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Nemo 16:23, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Category was emptied
Someone else removed the Category:1980s murders in Finland category from Raumanmeri school shooting (although the student was too young to be charged) Hugo999 (talk) 03:11, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I think the issue is that none of the sources call this a murder, and so putting it in those categories constitutes original research. UnitedStatesian (talk) 04:52, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

RE: Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Brutto (band) albums
The category got emptied, so there's no way for me to contest the deletion. You can go on with it, thanks. 3RDRANGER (talk) 22:36, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

2019 US Banknote Contest
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Climate change - PLEASE HELP - maintenance categories & templates
Greetings! Thanks for the help at the WikiProject with all the under-the-hood things!

We could really use your help designing some tools to help with a major wikignome campaign.

THE PROBLEM

Across the Eng Wikipedia there are a bunch of things that link to "climate change". I think I heard 4000-5000 or something like that. As you may know, the article with that title has just been renamed Climate change (general concept), because its content is about any climate change, from any cause, at any time in Earth's history. The vast majority of incoming links really mean the modern-day climate change humans are experiencing, i.e., the content now at global warming.

THE GOAL

Is to go through all those links so they point at the right article (Climate change (general concept) or global warming).

DETAILS AND HOW YOU COULD HELP

This raises all sorts of questions, such as leaving behind a piped link with different text that makes sense; maybe leaving an invisible comment explaining why it was changed and by who etc; how to handle such links in other editors talk comments. But those things are all details.

For starters, we need a good way to keep track of this effort. Since I was once a programmer I thought "that's what code is for!" Do you think this would work?


 * Create a maintenance category for "contains a link to 'climate change'", and two sub cats "unchecked" and "verified"
 * Someone pulls the right lever so every page with such a link is placd in the unchecked sub-cat
 * Auditing begins
 * An editor looks at each link and do what is needed (more details to be determined later)
 * Before saving, editor changes the sub-cat from "unchecked" to "verified"

QUESTIONS

Is that a sensible approach?

Could you help set it up?

Once that basic structure is in place, the next round of questions would be "what tools exist to make working on any given article efficient? But I'll save that for later.  Right now we just need to create some lifejackets so we don't drown in the simple fact that there are so many pages to keep track of.

Thanks for reading.... and if there's anyone you can think of who might be good to recruit on the design and coding side, please share!

NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 19:46, 30 October 2019 (UTC)


 * I don't think this is necessary. I did a spot check of what links to climate change (you can see them at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Climate_change), and almost all of them actually relate to global warming, so do not need to be fixed; the handful I saw that did need to be fixed I took care of. Any others that are mistargeted can be fixed over time as editors come across them. UnitedStatesian (talk) 14:17, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
 * True, its a lot better than it was, now that the former article "climate change" became climate change (general concept) and the title phrase became {{NoRedirect|Climate change]] and targeted to global warming. As part of the RM we promised to go through them anyway. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 15:31, 31 October 2019 (UTC)