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AfD
I already said I have a draft and that Tornadoes of 2015 should just be made a section at Tornado because it has no information. Please read the entire AfD before saying things like that. Dustin ( talk ) 21:05, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Cells
"Revert unhelpful edits; unknown cells are never darkened in that manner; a simple "Unknown" will do ." That logic is completely unfounded and simply makes no sense. Provide further justification. Further differentiation of "unknown" cells from other cells is helpful, so your logic does not reasonably apply. The template exists for a reason. Dustin ( talk ) 01:27, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Please respond. Dustin ( talk ) 06:11, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

If you do not respond or elsewhere, I will revert you. That is the only way to garner a response if another editor fails to respond in situations such as these, so please just respond. Dustin ( talk ) 19:13, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I really don't care to sit here and argue with you about a simple matter. It has been a standard and simple practice to just put a simple "Unknown" as a temporary placeholder. Using that template does nothing but draw attention to cells that have no information, so there is no since in it. You made a change, it got reverted, and I explained why. There you go. United States Man (talk) 19:24, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

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Winter storms essay created
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Oklahoma City – Moore tornado
From NWS Norman - The tornado formed in southwestern Oklahoma City and dissipated in Moore. Here is a permalink: http://imgur.com/rJZ38Bp. I thought you might find it helpful. Dustin ( talk ) 02:51, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. I had already figured that it was probably about that track, but it is nice to have a visual. United States Man (talk) 02:57, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

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Tornado lists
I understand why you have concern with regard to the totals in the template, but I would rather use the most accurate total even if it is inconsistent with what the other parts of Wikipedia say. I noticed that Wikipedia's list for the month of February 2014 still uses Storm Reports (which is only a preliminary source of information), so perhaps, if you would be willing, you could update that to use Storm Data then see if the template is different? Dustin ( talk ) 01:56, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

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You keep accidentally reverting my edits! Be more careful.
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Rudeness
I was not being rude by reminding people to remind people to keep to the topic per wiki rules, since the topic in question had already been disrupted by Dustin stating he was going to be away for a couple of days. While Brenden's job is unusual the PHS page is not the page to discuss it with him - his user page is.Jason Rees (talk) 22:33, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Rude or not, I don't appreciate you calling me disruptive. That extremely minor subdiscussion about me possibly losing internet access only had three comments. It was just minor and I doubt another word would have been said on the issue after United States Man's comment, so your interjection was unnecessary in my honest opinion. Dustin  ( talk ) 22:35, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
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Revert of Typhoon2013
I disagree with you that such an edit is unhelpful. It seems ludicrous that we should have a chart which extends into the future. That's a bigger issue than certainty that the storm will exist etc. in any given circumstance, so as a result, I find it preferable to wait until the actual current time is 00:00 UTC. That was hours ago now so this specific instance no longer matters, but for future reference, I hope you will understand my position. Dustin ( talk ) 02:47, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

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The finals for the 2015 Wikicup has now begun! Congrats to the 8 contestants who have survived to the finals, and well done and thanks to everyone who took part in rounds 3 and 4.

In round 3, we had a three-way tie for qualification among the wildcard contestants, so we had 34 competitors. The leader was by far in Group B, who earned 1496 points. Although 913 of these points were bonus points, he submitted 15 articles in the DYK category. Second place overall was at 864 points, who although submitted just 2 FAs for 400 points, earned double that amount for those articles in bonus points. Everyone who moved forward to Round 4 earned at least 100 points.

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 * , second in Pool A, took fourth overall. He tends to focus on articles about cricket and military history, specifically the 1640s First English Civil War.
 * , from Pool A, was our highest-scoring wildcard. West Virginia tends to focus on articles about the history of (what for it!) the U.S. state of West Virginia.
 * , from Pool A, likes to work on articles about British geography and places. Most of his points this round were earned from two impressive accomplishments: a GT about Scheduled monuments in Somerset and a FT about English Heritage properties in Somerset.
 * , from Pool B, came in seventh overall. RO earned the majority of her points from GARs and PRs, many of which were earned in the final hours of the round.
 * , also from Pool B, who was competing with RO for the final two spots in the final hours, takes the race for most GARs and PRs—48.

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I think you could have instantly resolved much of the issue with these infoboxes by just adding an alias to the main template. Dustin ( talk ) 17:39, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
 * – Well, by doing it this way, I can also correct other errors that I find and add the injuries if they are not already listed. United States Man (talk) 17:47, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay. That's understandable. If you wouldn't mind my asking, how do you know which articles have infoboxes with broken parameters? Thanks! Dustin  ( talk ) 00:49, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
 * – I noticed that User:Alakzi had been the one to shift all of the old tornado infoboxes to Template:Infobox storm back in May, so I am just going through that list of articles that he edited using AWB to see which ones I need to hit. Otherwise, I wouldn't have had a clue about where to start. United States Man (talk) 01:01, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks for changing the storm infobox parameter to casualties! I've been thinking of doing it for a long time but have simply been too lazy to follow through with the necessary changes to all the articles attached to the template. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 18:08, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Commas in 1k pressures?
Haven't seen you for a long time now. But, why in the Atlantic infobox for Ida, there's no comma but 17E has? This is since both storms are monitored by the NHC. However the WPac infoboxes, monitored by JMA, we don't use commas as we follow them (as shown in Dujuan's infobox and analysis). Yes, I know that we use commas if we are already in the thousands digits but I just wanted to confirm. Typhoon2013 (talk) 21:12, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
 * That is an oversight by me that I will fix. I just feel that it looks better, but I suppose it doesn't matter one way or the other. United States Man (talk) 21:17, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Updating of timeline boxes
I hate to say it, but you demonstrate a bit of hypocrisy when you act like it isn't a big deal to prematurely increment the dates, see someone revert that edit, then follow up by reverting that edit back to the prematurely updated state. The general goal is that at 0000 UTC the date will be incremented, so since it will be incremented anyway at that time, you say there is no benefit in reverting edits incrementing the date after 21Z but before 0Z. I disagree with the reasoning there, but I still understand it. Going in and reverting someone who reverted such an edit back to the premature state goes back on what you originally seemed to be implying, that it isn't such a big deal... right? Also, you aren't going to make anyone less likely to revert your revert by issuing commands such as "Do not revert". That makes me want to revert in all honesty. I don't mean to cause problems, and I don't question that you may have good intentions, but I do question your reasoning. I believe that I am not the only one who holds this stance (based on certain edits I have seen). Dustin ( talk ) 23:42, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Just to keep you in mind, are you still following what Dustin said? About updating timeline boxes after 00Z? Because it seems like in your latest edit about this in the 2015 PHS article, you edited at 23Z. Typhoon2013  (talk) 00:08, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
 * - Just to keep you in mind, Dustin V. S. has not ever been, is not currently, and will not ever be the timeline police (or the police of anything else for that matter - I hate to say it and don't mean anything malicious, but he comes across that way sometimes). Anytime after the 2100z advisories is fine for updating the timelines, as they will certainly last until the next day (because another advisory to state otherwise will not be issued until the NEXT day). I don't know what the big deal is, it looks to me like it is just easier to update them when every thing else is updated at 2100z. The only occasion of waiting would be for a weak storm that has an intermediate advisory coming out at 0000z that may be declared a remnant, but even then, the NHC usually waits until 0300z (or the next full advisory time) to declare it dissipated. So, once again, I fail to be convinced of the problem of updating them when it is convenient (as long as it is after 2100z, it shouldn't be a problem). Thank you, United States Man (talk) 01:56, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
 * It isn't fair that if someone undoes your change/increment of the timeline day (or a change made by someone else, 90% of the time being an IP) with the intention of reapplying the change at 0000Z, you will revert. If it's not a big deal, why can't you trust anyone? Dustin  ( talk ) 02:18, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Where do you pickup that this is a trust problem? This is not a trust problem, this is a common sense problem. I don't care when you or anyone else updates these timelines, but if I happen to be around at 2100z, I will update them. The problem I have with someone changing the timelines back after they have been changed is that it makes absolutely no sense. It is useless to undo a change to something that will inevitably be changed in about two and a half to three more hours anyway. If I or anyone else go ahead and change them, I don't see why it is such a big deal. And before you ask why it is such a big deal to me to change them a little early, it goes back to what I said about convenience for me. If you want to wait until 0000z, then great, but I don't like being jumped on for something that doesn't matter. United States Man (talk) 02:26, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
 * However what's the point of timelines? Do we need timelines at all? Typhoon2013  (talk) 02:41, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Funny you say that seeing as how you have a rather large one in your userspace. But yes, I think they are a very helpful part of the article. They conform to policy (as far as I am aware) and I don't see what is to be gained by removing them. That seems to me like a bit of a way around what I have been saying. "Well, we'll just take them out. That way USM can't update them at all." (Just joking here...8P) United States Man (talk) 02:51, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh ok. Also yes, I have a huge timeline in my userspace and I am kind of like an agency and classify storms by myself (Example: as shown there, I classify/think that Mekkhala is a cat2 typhoon). I am just really addicted to storms and I joined wiki to help out. Typhoon2013  (talk) 03:01, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

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Geostationary images for the EPac (or Atl)???
Sorry I have been leaving 3 messages in your talk page in a week, which is pretty unusual to do to a user like you. Seen your comment btw about the geostationary image in the 2015 PHS article. I really don't know where to put this message because I believe that we need everyone like Meow, JR, Cyclonebisikt etc to 'make a vote' on this. So the question is, why don't you like Geostationary images? Well I am a person who edits most on the PTS articles and we use Geostationary images for current TCs like Dujuan. So I decided why not the EPac nor the Atlantic? Typhoon2013 (talk) 02:40, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't care about the messages (makes me look more popular), but to me that image appears to be of less quality that the one that was already there. If you can get a consensus on the Project talk page, I wouldn't be vehemently opposed to it, but as of right now, we should keep it as is. United States Man (talk) 03:10, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok I'll start making a consensus in the Project talk page and while I am doing that, I'll just put these '< !-- -->' around the geostationary image file name beside the current image in the infobox just in case. Typhoon2013  (talk) 03:20, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
 * There's nothing wrong with using the geostationary images while the storm is active. Sure the IR variant is less than stellar, but it's only a temporary visual meant to show a relatively recent state of the storm. The higher quality images return when the storm dissipates so the quality concerns are alleviated then. Only caveat is that they only provide extra value if they are updated frequently. Otherwise the (usually) daily images from MODIS would be preferred. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 03:30, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
 * and US Man (if it's alright to call you that), I started a consensus thing in the Wikipedia talk:WPTCs. Just saying. Typhoon2013  (talk) 02:37, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2015 is now in the books! Congrats to our finalists and winners, and to everyone who took part in this year's competition.

This year's results were an exact replica of last year's competition. For the second year in a row, the 2015 WikiCup champion is. All of his points were earned for an impressive 253 featured pictures and their associated bonus points (5060 and 1695, respectively). His entries constituted scans of currency from all over the world and scans of medallions awarded to participants of the U.S. Space program. came in second place; she earned by far the most bonus points (4082), for 4 featured articles, 15 good articles, and 147 DYKs, mostly about in her field of expertise, natural science. , a finalist every year since 2010, came in third, with 2379 points.

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