User talk:Universalsuffrage

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 * The source that you've offered indicates that you still don't quite understand no original research. Wikipedia uses secondary sources to report on what the best available secondary sources have concluded; Wikipedia doesn't put together information from primary sources to make a new argument.  If you want to use primary sources to publish your ideas, Wikipedia isn't the place to do that; if secondary sources are available, feel free to share them.  In this case, your argument seems to be that if one call wasn't made, then no calls were made, which doesn't seem reasonable, and I haven't been able to verify that basic premise because I don't feel like hunting through a lengthy sound file for it. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 00:19, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Not really, in this case my basic argument is that one shouldn’t be blocked for stating facts, I had not asked for insertion of that information, I've just commented on a talkpage, and stated what I've stated. I'd agree that it was done inappropriately, but if you review the recent discussions we had, you'll notice that I've met nothing but insolence, if not open insult which comes in company of such defamatory libels that editors involved like to spew there.


 * I've stated repeatedly that I'm not interested in conspiracy (beg your pardon) gibberish, certainly not as we discuss some disturbing issues that have absolutely nothing, I'll reiterate it again, absolutely nothing to do with label that seems to be so dear to editors involved. There is no decency there whatsoever; person tries to fuel decent discussion and ends up locked out with no valid argument whatsoever? That place is like a rabbit hole, honestly.


 * Well, I'm deeply thankful for the time you've invested into reviving request above, but you could clearly see what was written in the comment. It was stated 'some of the alleged calls were never made' (to turn such sentence into 'no phone calls were made' doesn’t seem reasonable either). I'm also puzzled by your interpretation of what was my intention since you seem to imply that I had an aim to add something to the article while it was nothing but a comment. Again, I'll admit, the edit was made with deep sarcasm, but such approach should be more understandable if you review those hostile and hastily closed discussions we had there. As per secondary sources, there are some, more than few actually, but they don’t meet high standards we have there and I have no desire to pursue that venue anyway.


 * Either way, it doesn’t affect factual accuracy of my statement and people should not be banned from editing because of factually accurate comments they make out of article main space. It's obvious that those well established editors there don't want any discussion and I'm not sure why would broader adminship accept such behavior which is, in my opinion, not only contra productive, but in direct contradiction with some of the very basic principles we have here, those welcoming five pillars included. Universalsuffrage (talk) 01:14, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * That isn't even sort of a reliable source.  -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 01:41, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Eh, it's the very same evidence you would get if you had time to download and review original reference. In other words, it comes directly from U.S.D.C. in Eastern District of Virginia; you can hardly go more reliable than that and just to let you know, that reference is in heavy usage elsewhere on Wikipedia. Universalsuffrage (talk) 01:53, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you ever wonder why people don’t know these things? Universalsuffrage (talk) 01:55, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The details of the September 11 attacks have been widely reported upon. Therefore, if this is a significant detail that belongs in an encyclopedia article on the subject, you will have no trouble verifying it from a newspaper, not just a heavily biased web site. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 12:37, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

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