User talk:Urbanchirk

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Hello, Urbanchirk, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions.

I notice that one of the first articles you edited appears to be dealing with a topic with which you may have a conflict of interest. In other words, you may find it difficult to write about that topic in a neutral and objective way, because you are, work for, or represent, the subject of that article. Your recent contributions may have already been reverted for this very reason.

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Kronospan
Please note that it is not acceptable to copy and paste text from the Kronospan website into the Wikipedia article on the company, for both reasons of copyright and neutrality. Wikipedia articles are not to be used for promotional purposes. (See here for more detail on this.) Thanks --88.104.46.22 (talk) 10:54, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Draft version of Kronospan
The usual protocol is to draft the revised version in your own user-space. For example you could create User:Urbanchirk/Kronospan and draft the article there (to create that page just click on the red-link in the previous sentence and it will take you to the blank page where you can copy and paste the current version to use as a start). I would be happy to comment on your draft version and will leave comments on your talk page.  Velella  Velella Talk 10:55, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

I have copy and pasted the current version and would be very greatful if you could make some comments. Thanks Urbanchirk (talk) 12:20, 5 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Your latest version is very like (perhaps the same as ?) the version on the main article space that I severely edited. The main issues are :


 * 1) Much material is lifted directly from the Kronospan web-site - this is unacceptable as it is direct copyright violation.
 * 2) Heading such as "About us" indicate a strong degree of ownership . Nobody "owns" the article on Kronospan, and writing as if it does is designed to attract editors armed with scissors.
 * 3) The list of products (and the list in general) need both substantial shortening, a bringing together of the various product lists and having some explanatory text against each items. Consider - is this thing that Kronospan sells encyclopaedic - for most I would guess not. How about just the major product headings. Items without an explanation  are going to be incomprehensible
 * 4) Avoid text about internal management stuff - the H&S paragraph stands out like a sore thumb - bear in mind this for an external audience that probably couldn't care how safe Kronospan's workers are . I would delete the who paragraph.
 * 5) The environmental credentials section looks very much like boasting - again other editors will savage that. There is also a strange dichotomy with lists of environmental credentials and then, in a totally separate section, a well referenced list of environmental problems. All the environmental issues need to be brought together - perhaps Kronospan worked towards its current credentials because of past problems ?( and I'm not even sure whether the Press picked up the discharge of high ammonia levels from the water storage ponds below the wood stacking area)
 * 6) It is probably worth looking at some other manufacturers sites such as Solutia or Kellogs - both sites not far from you to see some better (but not good) examples of articles.
 * 7) Avoid phrases such as "...Kronospan serves the UK.." - this is salesman talk not encyclopaedia talk.
 * 8) The sentence which includes "...investment in decontamination technology.." doesn't actually make sense to me. What landfill waste is re-used by whom ?
 * As a very general rule try re-drafting it imagining that it is being read by a young teenager living perhaps in Samoa or some other location many thousands of miles from Chirk who knows nothing about wood products, "modern" kitchens or anything that Kronospan might consider important. I would be happy to comment on further iterations. Regards.  Velella  Velella Talk  12:54, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

I have looked at this section and in particular the references provided and have looked in detail at the certification schemes referred to. As far as Wikipedia goes I don't think any of the references stand up to scrutiny. I am sure that the certification is correct (although we don't need reference numbers etc. in Wikipedia) but I couldn't find that the backed the assertions made. Looking at certification of use of sustainable forests, the PDF file seems to show that there is an exemption in force until December 2012. The Blue Green reference is to another company working with Kronospan - this is a primary source in Wikipedia terms and Wikipedia requires reliable secondary sources. After all anyone could go to a friendly company and have them write something nice. I am sure that this is not the case with a reputable company like Kronospan but Wikipedia does require wholly independent sources. What I have put below therefore no longer has any sources and if included in the article is at risk of deletion as un-sourced. Area there no reputable sources from the quality national press or a listing on an Environment Agency site for example? This is my version of your original above

Kronospan claims that all products made at Chirk can be traced to a sustainably managed UK forest and are Forest Stewardship Council (FSC) certified.

The company also claims that its chipboard products are carbon neutral, that it recycles 300,000 tonnes of waste wood and that 97% of its waste is either recycled or recovered for energy.

Regards.  Velella  Velella Talk 09:53, 16 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I have replied also on the article talk page. The tl;dr version is: Kronospan are not really notable for anything other than their history as serial polluters, and organisations that create articles about themselves as page holders/puff pieces should expect to take the rough with the smooth. Keristrasza (talk) 18:14, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Looking for nice things
Unlike most of the people editing the Kronospan page, I don't work for them, but even I can find a few nice things that they could say. (Kronospan, you're paying the wrong people to write it /wink) How about:
 * A subsidiary of the the company, Kronospan Forestry Ltd., manages over 1000 hectares of sustainable forests in the south-west of Scotland. This includes both young forests as well as mid-age plantations offering greater wildlife diversity. In 1999 the company joined the Forest Stewardship Council scheme, which ensures that sustainable practices are used. In 2003 Kronospan was one of the first organisations to sign up with the Carbon Trust in Wales for a pilot programme to manage carbon emissions. Kronospan also works with Business in the Community Wales (BICW) which aims to address key social issues in the most deprived rural and urban areas of Wales.

Refs
etc. Keristrasza (talk) 19:14, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of User:Urbanchirk/Kronospan


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