User talk:Uriel1022

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Alumni of West China Union University


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Happy (late) Candlemas!
Dear Uriel1022,

Perhaps it's a little tradition to send you a greeting at each major feast. Hope you don't mind. I have nothing much to share except that I am writing about the ... Jingjiao Sanwei Mengdu Zan. I hope to publish it somewhere in Lent and get it on DYK for Easter. If not possible, then I get it on DYK for Pentecost or Trinity Sunday. You can literally "watch me work" at User:TheLonelyPather/sandbox3.

Some fun *Easter* eggs (haha) I found while I was cruising through mountains of sources:
 * Jingjing, the Jingjiao monk translator of the Sanwei Zan, helped translate some Buddhist sutra into Chinese before working on the Gloria. Hence the ... flavourful language (and perhaps even spicier theology?).
 * There is a metaphor of "boat" in the Sanwei Zan. Very likely something borrowed from Manichaeism.

Finally, I am again seeking your opinion on the proper name of this potential article. I am now inclined to call it Jingjiao Sanwei Mengdu Zan, but that's not an ideal English title. Moreover, there is not a conventional English name for it–every author I've come across has their own favourite name / translation for this piece. I've also thought about calling it the "Nestorian Gloria in Excelsis Deo", but it is slightly misleading in two ways–Jingjiao is not entirely Nestorian, and this piece does not have a tight resemblance to the Latin Gloria in excelsis.

Hope everything's well on your side. I keep you and others who study and illustrate the faith in my prayers. Cheers, -- The Lonely Pather (talk) 23:47, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Happy Easter!
I talked to a priest and he allowed me to pick whoever you want, since I haven't been confirmed. The answer is of course Mary Magdalene (and perhaps St John the Evangelist, as these two go side by side in the Easter Litany of Saints, pretty nice). Attached is a photo of the relic, taken at La Madeleine. To me Mary Magdalene symbolises a very human way to repent, love God, and declare his might.

Cross Temple, Fangshan is on a good track to FA. But I might need to postpone Sanwei Mengdu Zan indefinitely. We shall see.

Many best wishes to you, and Happy Easter. Cheers, -- The Lonely Pather (talk) 08:16, 31 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Finally you got your own Christian name, I'm happy for you. If you combine them, Jean-Marie, maybe too French? I hope all is well with you, and Happy Easter! Uriel1022 (talk) 16:02, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Jean-Marie is very much acceptable! I celebrated my Holy Week at many great places, including La Madeleine, the Canterbury Cathedral, and of course the good ole' All Saints, Margaret Street. Do be assured that this Anglo-Catholic is tiredly happy. Cheers, -- The Lonely Pather (talk) 23:02, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

I have sent you a note about a page you started
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An article for your perusal
My peppery and suspectedly popish friend,

I saw you linking CCPA to quite some articles recently. If you are interested in some more CCPA, may I suggest Louis Zhang Jiashu? Very interesting figure. Surely instrumental in the founding of the CCPA, but again, we are never certain if he did it entirely out of his own will.

Looking into the documents and sources, I saw two different Zhang. The first one appears in official communications, who spoke in official speech and was portrayed as a hardliner on the "independence of the Chinese Catholic Church". The second one is not very obvious, but through a Western interview (as seen here), I think he showed a very suppressed human and Roman side. The same perhaps can be said of a lot of members of the clergy, Protestant and Catholic, during the early PRC.

Wang Liangzuo, whose manifesto turned to be a catalyst in the founding of CCPA, was from Sichuan and went to no where else but Annunciation Seminary, Bailu. Perhaps it is of great interest to you?

I am constantly reminded of the film Silence by Martin Scorsese when I think about these things (I know the plot but haven't watched it yet). I think it captures the fineness of the sentiment of a lot of people who chose the path of silence. Not exactly the via dolorosa in terms of martyrdom, but still a way of the Cross.

The CCPA article itself needs a rehaul. Ignatius Pi Shushi, the first president of the CCPA, definitely needs a better article. The principle of "self-election, self-consecration" (read: we figured out Anglicanism) also also deserves some coverage, perhaps in a stand-alone article. There is a lot of work to do. Meanwhile I shall retreat for a bit, so have a great Pentecost in advance. Cheers, -- The Lonely Pather (talk) 11:35, 16 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Suspectedly popish: Look who's smart, lol. Are you still considering crossing the Tiber?
 * If you are interested in some more CCPA: Not really to be honest. I did it for the sake of truth statement, so people don't get the wrong idea that the Church in China (Catholic or Protestant) is just the same as in the rest of the world. It's great that you are focusing more on Shanghai, as it has always been the most international city besides Hong Kong and Macau, it's highly likely that there are still stories of its Christian past remain hidden. Speak of which, John Tung Shih-chih may be a figure of interest to both of us (a Shanghainese priest of Sichuanese descent, and very solid in his faith).
 * As for Wang Liangzuo, despite the fact that he was Catholic and Sichuanese, I just, personally, don't find him interesting.
 * Thank you for the Pentecost wish. I hope you enjoy the retreat, may it be very spiritual.
 * P.S. On the contrary, God has never gifted me with the ability to appreciate peppery or spicy food, lol. Uriel1022 (talk) 23:20, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Not considering crossing the Tiber–feeling that much can be and needs to be done on this side. I was more concerned about you since you mentioned some Romish inclinations a while ago. I do hope you have done your discerning.
 * John Tung Shih-chih is of great interest. I must write about him.
 * P. S. A taste of peppery / spicy food is within the blood of every Sichuanese. Do pray harder for your discernment on this matter. /s Cheers, -- The Lonely Pather (talk) 08:02, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Catholic Church in Sichuan
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Your GA nomination of Catholic Church in Sichuan
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Happy Ascension Day!
No article to offer you today, but would you please have a look at this Anglican church in Taiwan: The Nestorian cross hung on high ... the Chinese Gloria written in Duilian form ... One must imagine a modern Sinic Christianity to be so.

Christ is Ascended. Alleluia! Cheers, -- The Lonely Pather (talk) 20:01, 9 May 2024 (UTC)


 * @Pbritti you're gonna see this anyways, so Happy Feast to you too! Cheers, -- The Lonely Pather (talk) 20:10, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Happy Ascension Day to you too, TLP! That church is peculiar in the sense of its architectural style, I did a bit of editing back in my "pan-Sinic phase". I guess you could feel closer to the culture of Taiwan because of your ancestral origin? Uriel1022 (talk) 22:12, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * you could feel closer to the culture of Taiwan because of your ancestral origin?: that did give me a chuckle. The culture of Taiwan is not predominantly Hakka anyways, but even the idea of Hakka is not well-defined, so that's an endless pit for my thoughts. I feel connected to the Church "vertically". Should we travel back to Chang'an in the 700s we should see something similar. And I am all for it when it comes to incorporating local cultures into liturgy when done with beauty.
 * I actually have an article to offer you today: Yangliujie Catholic Church, a former church in Zunyi, Guizhou. The Catholic Church in Guizhou is descended from the Catholic Church in Sichuan. While writing about it I learned so much of the anti-Christian riots in Zunyi. It creates a nice dual with Qiao'ergou Catholic Church in Yan'an. Zunyi & Yan'an. Cheers, -- The Lonely Pather (talk) 11:47, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @TheLonelyPather The culture of Taiwan is not predominantly Hakka anyways, but even the idea of Hakka is not well-defined. Oops, my bad, thank God my "pan-Sinic phase" has been long over. I left you a message here regarding your new article, just some personal thoughts. By the way, I haven't got anything substantial about the plight of the Church in Sichuan during the cultural revolution. If you happen to come across anything, please don't hesitate to share. Happy editing. Uriel1022 (talk) 15:45, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

DYK for St. Anne's Church, Moxi
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Your GA nomination of Kennicott Bible
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 * @Kusma: Thank you for the opportunity to collaborate, let's make it an enjoyable one. Uriel1022 (talk) 16:46, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Sorry this was a bit quick. Let me know if you have any questions about my comments, and I hope you can renominate the article later! —Kusma (talk) 22:44, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I greatly appreciate your excellent suggestions, Kusma. With so many issues you've pointed out, failing the GAN is actually a relief for me, since I'm tied up with some offline stuff at the moment. Imagine the frustration of a non-native speaker who doesn't live in an English-speaking country, lol. Hopefully I can make a comprehensive improvement the next month. All the best! Uriel1022 (talk) 00:07, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Kennicott Bible
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To cheer you up ...
... here are some photos of All Saints, Margaret Street! Cheers, -- The Lonely Pather (talk) 17:07, 24 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Most pleasing to the eye. I'm particularly fond of the Ascension tiles. Uriel1022 (talk) 06:32, 26 June 2024 (UTC)