User talk:Useddenim/Archive 3

Duckmanton Junction Template
Dear Alan, I've spotted a mistake which I should have noticed before, it will have been there all along. In the 1955 diagram the line off to Chesterfield Central southwest of Staveley Central is shown in dark red, ie as goods only. It should be the lighter, brighter red as it was a fully-functioning goods and passenger line. I've spent ages poring over the template to try to change it myself, but can't figure the syntax out. Hope this makes sense. Kind regards, Dave DavidAHull (talk) 19:55, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅. The change was easy: just add “ ” to the icon name. The difficult part was that these red icons had to be created. :) Useddenim (talk) 12:38, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Great! Thanks once again, but please see LD&ECR Template, above. Dave DavidAHull (talk) 22:46, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

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Lincoln Lines route diagram
Hello Alan, our paths cross again. As I continue my travels along the LD&ECR I've had a look at the Lincoln Central article, which includes your customarily fine "Lincoln Lines" route diagram. The article makes two mentions of Skellingthorpe, one which I don't understand and one which looks correct, ie on the closed LD&ECR Dukeries Route. As other closed stations and lines appear on the route diagram I suggest that for consistency and completeness the LD&ECR line and Skellingthorpe station be included at top left peeling off at Pyewipe Junction. If you agree but aren't sure of the layout or how to represent it please get back to me. Kind regards, Dave. DavidAHull (talk) 06:33, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

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West Cumbria
Dear Alan, I've had a good look at your wonderful W Cumbria rt diag. I've made four uncontentious changes which you can see in the change history. Here are some things I didn't want to attempt to change willy-nilly: I think there are two or possibly three stations missing. 1. Moresby Parks is on my 1925 OS map, my 1922 Bradshaw and my 1923 railway atlas. It was the next stop north of Moresby Jct Halt on the diagram. 2. All three publications show Oatlands roughly where you have Arlecdon. The maps show Arlecdon as nearer Rowrah, as if Rowrah and Arlecdon stations were in the same village. 3. Atlas only shows High Blaithwaite north of Mealsgate on the loop line. You might like to consult with the originators of the diagram who are probably more expert on the area than I. Kind regards, DaveDavidAHull (talk) 21:26, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

I am actually the originator of this diagram, having started it as a tool to keep track of the lines joined to the Cumbrian Coast Line. That does not make me an expert on the area and the changes made since seem to be improvements. Britmax (talk) 10:55, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Icon project
Thanks for your invitation to join this. I will think about it but another project will keep me busy over the next few weeks. Britmax (talk) 10:52, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I went to Cropredy a few times in the 1980s, when a three-day ticket (camping included) cost about £30. Now that it's £110 for 3 days (camping excluded), or £75 for just the Saturday, I can't afford it any more. But I can afford to sign up for the BSicon project, and have done so. -- Red rose64 (talk) 13:12, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Template:Railways in Bridgwater RDT
Hi Useddenim, I very much like your change / huge improvement to this template, made some 10 days ago but I've only just seen it.

There is one inaccuracy that still exists in the diagram, I ignored it at the time of my earlier changes because I did not know how to fix it easily. The main problem is that the A38 and the A39 run together through Bridgwater but separate (or split) in a "Y" junction just a few road-widths south of the A38 - Bridgwater docks branch level crossing, just about where the bend in the road is shown, so there was a double level crossing at that place (not a single level crossing as currently shown). The northern section of A38 precedes northwards through its level crossing to Highbridge, as shown and the northern section of the A39 proceeds north eastwards through it's level crossing towards Bath and crosses the Bristol to Exeter railway to the north of Bridgwater goods stations by means of a over-bridge. This road / level crossing / bridge is absent form the diagram. Note: The A38 and A39 also split again with the A38 going to the south and the A39 going to West, but for the purpose of this digram this latter split can be ignored. Pyrotec (talk) 19:56, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Template:Great Central Main Line
Dear Alan, I've come across this template, which seems to be an excellent representation of the erstwhile GCML. I've noticed that stations on the GCML don't use it, so I tried adding it in the usual way, ie enclose Great Central Main Line in double curly brackets. The result is chaos. It behaves as it does when you accidentally include a spare curly bracket or miss one out. I've had a look at the coding and there are several things I don't understand, so I don't want to mess them up. Could you please have a look at it? Kind regards. Dave DavidAHull (talk) 18:58, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * is not designed to be used standalone - it is intended to be nested into which itself goes inside, and this is how it's used at Great Central Main Line. Generally, we don't put RDTs for lines onto articles about railway stations, since they take up too much space and include information that really belongs on the line article, not the station article. -- Red rose64 (talk) 19:36, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * That makes sense, thanks. DaveDavidAHull (talk) 22:39, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Template:Rail-interchange
''This is the discussion (since deleted from User talk:Werieth) that precipitated Your edits at Template:Rail-interchange:

Re File:AMTnewlogo.png, isn't “In addition to the fair-use assertion shown on this page, the copyright holder has granted permission for this image to be used in Wikipedia.” clear enough? Useddenim (talk) 22:19, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * For wikipedia only licenses mean nothing, that file is non-free and will be treated as such. Werieth (talk) 23:13, 5 August 2013 (UTC) Useddenim (talk) 00:00, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Citing WP:NFCC is meaningless: templates are used IN articles! Useddenim (talk) 00:00, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Please read policy Useddenim (talk) 01:24, 6 August 2013 (UTC) templates cannot use non-free media. Werieth (talk) 00:16, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * WP:NFCC and WP:NFC are good places to start. Non-free media's usage is very restricted. Usage in templates is never allowed. Werieth (talk) 01:29, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I did not notice this discussion until now and I can point out some information that could have avoided edit warring and the edit warring noticeboard, where both of you could be blocked for your actions. Per WP:LOGOS, logos that consist of simple geometric shapes or a simple combination of shapes and text are not eligible for copyright here and could have been tagged with  .  I see that the image is now replaced with a version at commons, which Werieth tagged for speedy deletion, another editor has removed this template as not qualifying and started a file deletion at .  Hopefully both of you can discuss the image there. Aspects (talk) 05:13, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * WHAT THE?!? I just noticed that you reported Useddenim to the vandalism noticeboard, .  I can tell you know that this will be rejected, because none of his edits were WP:VANDALISM, you need to read through that because there are very specific examples of what vandalism is, good faith edits on both of your parts are not vandalism.  Also you gave Useddenim no warnings what so every, let alone the level four vandalism warning that should proceed posting to the noticeboard. You also did not alert Useddenim to let him know of your posting to the vandalism noticeboard.  I am going to do that now, so he has a chance to reply. Aspects (talk) 05:38, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Your edits at Template:Rail-interchange
While I been have an ongoing disucssion with Werieth about his other issues with NFCC images, I just now noticed both of your edits to Template:Rail-interchange and the discussion about it at Werieth's user page. The reason I am leaving a note on your page is that you too were edit warring on the template, so do not be surprised if you are also blocked. You also need to avoid launching personal attacks at other editors,, calling another editor a moron is inappropriate and takes away from your argument. Continued personal attacks could also result in you being blocked, so please stop them now. Thank you, Aspects (talk) 05:31, 6 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Also to let you know, Werieth reported you at WP:AIV,, for vandalism. You should respond there if you get the chance before an admin accepts or rejects it. Aspects (talk) 05:40, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh yes, of course—but he didn't bother with the courtesy of a warning… Useddenim (talk) 10:16, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I put a messages in that topic about how the whole thing could have been avoided and a second message about the AIV warning, but Werieth deleted it from his talk page, . So I will also let you know that he put your Commons image up for deletion at, so you can comment there since that was also in my messages that got deleted. Aspects (talk) 10:30, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Template
When you know that it is the wrong link, why don't you change it into the correct link? That is not illegal... The Banner talk 16:11, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I did make the correction; I don't understand what your comment refers to. (Altho' upon rereading, I guess I could have been a bit clearer with my edit summary…) Useddenim (talk) 16:18, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Virginia Railway Express colors
Why did you eliminate the colors at Template:VREX color? Did they make some change I didn't know about? ---User:DanTD (talk) 05:37, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
 * . Sorry—typo on my part when I created the /doc. (If the colors don't show now, click on the [purge] link.) Useddenim (talk) 11:16, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I didn't have to purge. They showed up. ---User:DanTD (talk) 12:27, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Shanghai Metro line templates
Hi, though this is a little late, but thanks for helping to redraw the templates of the Shanghai Metro lines 1-5. Thought these were quite eye-catching. :-)

Just some comments though - you seem to have, in particular, replaced the use of INT icons with bold / dotted lines as connectors of stations. I'm not too sure if this is particularly relevant though, because there are really few stations that adopt the virtual interchange scheme (so far only South Shaanxi Road Station that I know), and this new scheme of "connection" still looks slightly weird. Do you plan to change the templates for the remaining lines as well?  No News  !  13:24, 16 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes I do. I adopted the —/- - scheme since the old templates used text notation for virtual interchanges, and a mix of and . The use of  connectors is well-established for the Hong Kong MTR RDTs—see HK-MTR route/West Rail for example. I reserved the HUBs for connection with associated mainline stations. Useddenim (talk) 23:18, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

AMT Templates
Hi, I like what you have done with the new templates for the Deux-Montagnes and Mascouche Lines, but they need improvement, because some colors (Saint-Jérôme for example) are default colors. If you are going to change the templates then make sure that they are clear and useful. Thanks! Mtlfiredude (talk) 21:47, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Should be fixed now. (Pas tout le monde utîlisé dès accents.) Useddenim (talk) 23:18, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

I understand the accent problem. Will you fix the templates for all the other lines (so far only DM and Mascouche Lines have new templates)? I also do not understand some of the history on the templates (Monkland Station on the DM Line??). Mtlfiredude (talk) 03:01, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I will update them as I have time, but I'll be going up North through the Simcoe Day weekend. (And see Du Ruisseau for the explanation of Monkland Station.) Useddenim (talk) 04:17, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

I see. I appreciate your fine template/history work on the AMT lines, very interesting. Just remember to make sure that the AMT logo is present before every line that crosses another one (you did this for Mont-Saint-Hilaire at Central Station but not for Saint-Jérôme). Have a great weekend! Mtlfiredude (talk) 20:47, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Never mind the AMT logos, just the line color should be enough so you can remove them for the DM Line (I surely would do it for you but don't know how). Thanks again! Mtlfiredude (talk) 22:32, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Useddenim, I see you upgraded the templates for both Candiac and Saint-Jérôme Lines! That is very nice, and as you can see I thanked you for it. One thing, do not forget to get the real names of the lines (Delson-Candiac on the SJ Line, this is probably due to the fact that the old name is in the system). Also, for the SJ Line (and other future new templates), the colored squares representing the line color must be separated. But other than that, great work!! Mtlfiredude (talk) 13:13, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Hello Useddenim, will you be updating the templates for MSH and VH lines any soon?
 * ✅. Useddenim (talk) 17:10, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Wow, great work. Try separating the Vaudreuil red and Candiac yellow squares (Saint-Jérôme Line) and the Mascouche pink and Deux-Montagnes blue squares (Mont-Saint-Hilaire Line) and everything will be perfect! Mtlfiredude (talk) 17:27, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Metro Line
Template:Metro Line has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. How many templates need to be nominated for deletion until you understand that you are adding too many lists, diagrams, and navboxes, and editing without discussing your controversial changes? 117Avenue (talk) 05:26, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Template:Seetal railway line
Hi, that template has been nominated for deletion: during the discussion, its contents were integrated into the article, and it is no longer necessary. The discussion is at Templates_for_discussion/Log/2013_September_23. To not waste administrators' time, will you agree to speedy this now as WP:CSD? Keφr 17:44, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
 * No. See my reply. Useddenim (talk) 04:17, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Template:Metro Line
moved to Template talk:Metro Line

In reply to your comments here, you are ignoring WP:BRD, and the open discussions on this topic. I look forward to your replies to the quires I have left you here, here, and here. Thanks, 117Avenue (talk) 18:27, 30 September 2013 (UTC)


 * You cite WP:BRD? Template:ETS LRT future was meant as a starting point for discussion. Slapping a TfD on is hardly constructive criticism; rather, it’s a loud, clear message that you’re not willing to talk. Useddenim (talk) 01:55, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I don't believe that. You still haven't replied to the question I left you there three weeks ago. Is there a question I haven't replied to? 117Avenue (talk) 03:21, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

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Hello. There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. 117Avenue (talk) 03:17, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. 117Avenue (talk) 21:28, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Go get a life! Useddenim (talk) 03:53, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I see an IP from Tokyo made the same edit as me when I was logged off. I would like to make it clear that was not me, and I am open for discussion. 117Avenue (talk) 18:48, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
 * OK. I would suggest (and am hoping) that putting the "near future" extensions in a (normally-hidden) collapsible section will be an acceptable compromise. Useddenim (talk) 19:26, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

I would like to ask for clarification on your comments in the edit summary here. What was it that was discussed and I ignored? (The comment directly above: “a (normally-hidden) collapsible section”. Useddenim (talk) 10:24, 13 November 2013 (UTC)) In my last comment there I said "If the page won't explain how to handle proposed routes, it shouldn't mention them." The &#123;&#123;BS2text&#125;&#125; &#123;&#123;BS3text&#125;&#125; &#123;&#123;BS4text&#125;&#125; … &#123;&#123;BS9text&#125;&#125; section is an explaintion and example on how to use, why does it need to use this controversial piece of text as an example? To me, using a piece of text in an example that I know is controversial, is POV-pushing. Do you have a suggestion of what to use in that example that won't support my or your side of the argument? 117Avenue (talk) 03:06, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
 * It wasn’t controversial until you made it so, and there was no need for you to spread your dispute onto yet another page. Useddenim (talk) 10:24, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Your 19:26, 14 October 2013 (UTC) comment above is not a discussion regarding an edit I proposed 04:13, 24 October 2013 (UTC). I made a request to make a change to Route diagram template on Wikipedia talk:Route diagram template. Don't you think that is the appropriate place? 117Avenue (talk) 02:57, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Of course my 14 October comment wasn’t—it couldn’t have been, as it was made 10 days earlier! And I’m perfectly willing to have something different if it illustrates the example better: “A piece of text” doesn’t. Useddenim (talk) 04:33, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
 * You haven't answered the question. What discussion was I ignoring in this edit? Since you disagree with my edits, what is a good illustration for the template? 117Avenue (talk) 06:09, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
 * The one where everyone else says that future proposals are acceptable in an RDT. You tell me what a good illustration is. The original version is perfectly clear as to why one line suddenly becomes two; “A piece of text” isn’t. If you can come up with a better example to illustrate the use of BStext I’d like to see it. Useddenim (talk) 02:29, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

I am reverting your edit to Template:ETS LRT route. You are ignoring its talk page where it has been explained that the route continuation to Fort Saskatchewan is unreferenced, as well as the fact that Ellerslie will open before Gorman, Blatchford, or Provincial Lands. Please stop making unreferenced changes. Thanks, 117Avenue (talk) 02:44, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
 * As mentioned on Template talk:Capital Line, the proposed future extensions properly belong there—but you conveniently arranged to have it deleted. Template:ETS LRT route should really just show the basic network (like Template:ETS LRT future does) without all the “fiddly little bits”. Useddenim (talk) 19:22, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I, and the other users there, believe that the network isn't large enough to split up the diagram. With the scope of the template to be used on the articles on the stations, all the future stuff is unnecessary, and being the line diagram (serving the purpose of Template:Capital Line), it has all the "fiddly little bits". 117Avenue (talk) 06:06, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

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Waterways catalog of icons
Hi, I have been busy in real life for a bit, so have missed some of the discussion on icons. In particular, I note that the waterways legend has been moved to a catalog of icons, but that most of the icons that I need a catalog for have been removed from it. Can you please explain the logic of what is going on? I also saw the discussion about a legend not being a catalog, but the catalog appears to have become a legend. Sorry if this sounds confused, but I cannot understand what is occurring. Bob1960evens (talk) 14:49, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
 * RL, what a nuisance, especially at this time of year what with family and gift-giving and all those parties… 8-) But seriously, it was agreed that the Legend should be aligned with those of other projects and show types of icons, while the catalogue pages should show all icons. Subsequently —using the rationale that “nobody said no”—has embarked on a mission to change all s and s to and, which may account for your missing icons. Then there’s also the matter of the renamed /s, which have still not been fully added back into the catalogues. I have been working on a replacement  for &#123;&#123;WP:RDT/BSaU}} and &#123;&#123;WP:RDT/BSaP}}, but have run into some technical difficulties (specifically determining whether or not a given icon variant exists). I hope this helps to clarify things. Useddenim (talk) 19:34, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I think the CONT/ENDE business forms but a small part of the problems with that page, seeing that it still lists e.g. & . Bob1960evens, you should also check catalogue #2 & catalogue #3 (they've been split up), maybe the icons you're looking for are actually there. YLSS (talk) 07:00, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Wilts, Som & Weymouth RDT
Hi, what they're supposed to be - U+239B, U+239E, U+239D, U+23A0 - but it doesn't help: the formatting is still broken. These characters expand the lines to about three times the height that they're supposed to be, and alignment is compromised. -- Red rose64 (talk) 21:04, 3 January 2014 (UTC) ⎝1966⎠
 * It displays perfectly on my computer (Firefox on an Apple Mac). Is the Symbol font installed correctly on your system? Does this render the characters all at the same height on your display:
 * ⎛1857⎞
 * Useddenim (talk) 21:17, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I've tried it in five browsers under Windows XP: in Chrome, IE8 and Safari the characters show as little white squares, outlined in black (these are about the size of the letter n); in Firefox 26 and Opera, they show as tapered arcs, resembling U+239B except that they're grey, three times the normal height of the letter M, and superimposed on a vertical black line which is the same height as the letter M. The bottom ends of these grey arcs are all on the text baseline, and so protrude upwards out of the normal line height. Worse, they also cause a similarly-sized gap below, so that taken as a whole, the line height is increased to five times normal. -- Red rose64 (talk) 21:32, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Under Windows 8 on a PC: displays correctly in Firefox & IE (!), but as rectangular boxes in Chrome and Safari. In all cases the row-height remained normal. I guess the change will have to be undone. (But it did look so much better than putting the BSsplit inside parentheses.) Useddenim (talk) 21:44, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Taking screen dumps and enlarging enormously reveals that what I refereed to as "superimposed on a vertical black line which is the same height as the letter M" are actually the thick ends of the arc above or below, due to a certain amount of overlap between the lines. That is, the lower end of the U+239B character is below the upper end of the U+239D character - in between, one character shows through the other, giving the appearance of a vertical black line.


 * It's as if we had overlaid on  but beginning partway down the icon, see demo at right. I think these "parenthesis hook" characters can only be used safely if (i) their thick ends can be made to butt up together without overlap; (ii) they can be made normal height; (iii) there is universal browser/font support. -- Red rose64 (talk) 23:22, 3 January 2014 (UTC)


 * (i) and (ii) happen automatically when (iii) occurs. Useddenim (talk) 00:22, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, we don't know when or if (iii) might happen. Clearly, Firefox for Windows differs from Firefox for the Apple. It is not good practice to make assumptions about which browser that another person is using, nor which fonts they have installed. This is why the language links in the sidebat and at the bottom of the Main Page are now associated with an embedded font called Autonym: you may have noticed that the font in these areas is different from the rest of the page. -- Red rose64 (talk) 12:08, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

BSto template under WM's Beta
If you have enabled "typography refresh" of beta feature you may notice the double rowed text lengthens the icon row and causing break. I tested in BSto/sandbox and changing the font-size from 80% to 75% helps eliminated the gap but the upper text may look too small when "typography refresh" is disabled. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 07:16, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I appreciate the “heads up”, but isn’t it the responsibility of whoever is making the change to make sure that the proposed change doesn’t break anything? Useddenim (talk) 00:46, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I settle down by using integer font size value (11px) instead of percentage which is more consistent especially for our RDT in case any crat/WMF staff someday randomly changes font size of the whole project for unexpected reason. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 01:13, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Railways in Siliguri
Many thanks for upgrading the Template:Railways in Siliguri. Cheers. - Chandan Guha (talk) 02:04, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
 * You’re welcome. Useddenim (talk) 02:18, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Template:Wrexham, Mold and Connah's Quay Railway
Could you please check, should Penyffordd Sidings be represented with or ? YLSS (talk) 10:21, 27 January 2014 (UTC)


 * If it helps, when I drew up the diagram I checked and found that the sidings are placed to transfer traffic to any of the four lines that diverge in the vicinity. That being so it is in the right place where it is, whatever icon that needs. Britmax (talk) 10:38, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Template:Heathrow rail services
You wrote:
 * You have me at a disadvantage as I am some years and a few thousand miles distant from London, but from what I recall the Bakerloo/Circle/District station was a little to the southeast of Paddington mainline (hence not a cross-platform interchange) while the H&C trains stopped at the furthermost (northern) reaches of the trainshed. And one of the sources I looked at said that the Crossrail line (will) run(s) under Eastbourne (?) Place, which appears to put it about a block away from the other platforms. Perhaps you could clarify this for me? Useddenim (talk) 00:11, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

There are four, soon five, separate stations at Paddington:
 * the mainline
 * Circle (inner spiral) and District, reached from a direct connection to the mainline concourse as well as its own external entrance
 * Bakerloo, deep underground and reached via the two C&D accesses mentioned above (and, at peak times, a direct connection from the mainline concourse).
 * Hammersmith&City and Circle (outer spiral), previously part of the mainline station's northernmost (local services) platforms, now in the same place but reached via a new station building with an external entrance, and direct connections to the mainline station, but not Crossrail.
 * Crossrail, under the southwest edge of the mainline station.

Crossrail's track diverges from the northside of the mainline, not the south, and passes under the H&C+Circle line before continuing under the mainline station.

There's a nice diagram at.

Our problem with the template schematic is how much detail to show and how to coax the limited building blocks we have into being as accurate as possible. As the diagram is for Heathrow area rail services, I was tempted to be general in Paddington's layout: hence running Crossrail under the mainline station; and taking a great liberty by merging the Bakerloo and Circle&D stations together.

I have tinkered with a large-scale diagram for Paddington only and hope to publish that once I've rammed in some of the more cantankerous icons. If I remember, I'll send you a link to it before I do so.

I'm impressed with the alterations you made for the alignment of the main route to the airport, and within the airport itself, and thanks for uploading some parallel 45° continuation icons: I must learn how to generate and upload more myself sometime.

I had pondered including Feltham station (on the line from Waterloo) in the diagram, as it's an official rail-air station (via a bus link), but decided not. Bazza (talk) 13:38, 27 January 2014 (UTC)


 * As promised: Template:London Paddington station. Bazza (talk) 11:12, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
 * The lilac-coloured banner at the top of that severely fails WP:CONTRAST. The background is #9999cc and the default colour of the link in the centre is #0645ad which together look like this: . This has a contrast ratio of 3.16 and so is not WCAG 2 AA Compliant. Even if it were not linked, so that the text was white, it would still fail: the contrast would be 2.7 - to achieve WCAG 2 AA Compliance you need 4.5 or higher. With the link, and also using the default background colour #be2d2c i.e.  it's much worse at just 1.46, but without the link, this has a contrast of 5.83 and so passes the threshold. Ideally you should try for WCAG 2 AAA Compliance, which requires a contrast of 7.0 or higher, but I think that can be ignored since so many other RDTs use white on #be2d2c. -- Red rose64 (talk) 12:02, 31 January 2014 (UTC)


 * A few tweaks:
 * I changed the header per, as the colour is (AFAIK) not keyed to anything in particular;
 * I upgraded the template from BS-table to BS-map (for technical reasons, particularly the future transition to lua);
 * removed the link from the title (poor practice); and
 * moved the LU roundels and BR (sorry, NR—I guess I’m showing my age) ‘pointless arrow’ to after the station names to conform with the convention followed with text disambiguations. (I guess that should be documented somewhere.)
 * I trust these changes are acceptable to you? Useddenim (talk) 19:28, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

New icon(s)
Lost on Belmont3200N (talk) 03:18, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Sorry
Sorry about the template mistakes. The guide isn't much help to someone with as much route map know-how as I have. I often look to other route maps for inspiration which is where I got the abbreviation idea from. I can't find the template that gave me the idea to abbreviate railway lines, but I came across This template easily. No matter how good an idea I think the abbreviations might be, its a waste of time if I'm going against the consensus of editors, so rest assure that I wont pursue the idea further. I notice you have a barnstar for your route map knowledge. I sure could use your advice (as well as edit reverts) on these route maps I have made my little project. Kind regards, Wiki ian 03:49, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * This route map is what put abbreviations into my head. Wiki ian 03:52, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Template:South Western Main Line actually uses some fairly standard abbreviations (at least for someone familiar with British railways), but thanks for bringing these two diagrams to my attention, as they could certainly use some clean-up. Useddenim (talk) 04:06, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * And the route maps I've been working on? Any suggestions you can offer? Wiki ian 04:24, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, there are those unreferenced map coordinates. At the very least, they should be linked using the coord template. Useddenim (talk) 11:50, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

BSto & DLR RDT
WRT [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:BSto&diff=597693156&oldid=597663487 this] – where does it disrupt anything and what browser, zoom settings and OS are you using? I'm not arguing, just so that I know and do can coordinate things in other Wikipedias. (For me, everything looks fine). YLSS (talk) 19:32, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Firefox/standard (default)/OS X. Useddenim (talk) 21:15, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Also, WRT West India Quay [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:DLR_Route_diagram&diff=597691480&oldid=597604529 here] – yes, I know that it looked crooked, but that was actually my intention. I based everything judging on Wikimapia, and it looks like the station is by more than half situated over the docks. Originally I thought to place it just above the stream, but then I separated them just a little bit. Also, I wanted to underline that the bypass joins the line at the station (actually, in place of a demolished platform, as per the article). YLSS (talk) 19:32, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
 * This is on the cusp of diagram vs. map, and I generally prefer clarity over 100% spatial accuracy. Useddenim (talk) 21:15, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Requested move for subway lines in Toronto
Hello there. I noticed that you opposed a move request for the following pages:
 * Yonge–University–Spadina line → 1 Yonge–University–Spadina Subway
 * Bloor–Danforth line → 2 Bloor–Danforth Subway
 * Scarborough RT → 3 Scarborough RT
 * Sheppard line → 4 Sheppard Subway

In light of discussion after your comments were submitted, I would like to request that you re-visit the move discussion and re-evaluate your position based on recent discussion. I am not trying to push you to change your answer, I only wish to have the discussion reflect all the facts, and try and facilitate some consensus. In good faith. -- Natural  R X 16:12, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Telugu Wikipedia
I never knew you were so active there! te:Special:Contributions/Useddenim. (Just kidding ;) YLSS (talk) 15:12, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Hm, very interesting... When I posted this, that page listed several hundred of your contributions at the very least, and now it's empty... I suppose you have followed that link? Apparently that's some strange feature of Mediawiki: someone copied the whole of te:Wikipedia:Route diagram template and the likes from en.wp together with all the history, and some pseudo-accounts for all the contributors were created; but once those people log in to te.wp, their global account gets extended to it and the contributions list is emptied, with those pseudo-edits apparently assigned to no one... You can check te:Special:Contributions/Sameboat or te:Special:Contributions/Redrose64 – before they log in to te.wp one day... YLSS (talk) 05:55, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
 * April Fools? -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 06:13, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
 * No, really! Try logging out of Wikipedia (so that you aren't automatically signed in to te.wp), and check te:Special:Contributions/Sameboat — there's quite a lot! At the same time, Special:CentralAuth/Sameboat states that you have done 0 edits at te.wp. How come Mediawiki databases don't blow up?.. YLSS (talk) 10:27, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Hmm, it appears that your situation is different to mine and Useddenim's: you first visited te.wp in 2010, and possibly all these phantom edits got stuck to your global account... Try also visiting te.wp while logged in and make some minor edit – it would be interesting to see whether these edits disappear from your contributions page or not. YLSS (talk) 10:30, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Same result when I logged out to check my TE.WP contribution. I guess (I don't have solid evidence because I can't read Telugu language obviously) that some Telugu Wikipedian synced the edits of the whole RDT projects from EN to TE (TE:template:BS-map/parameter edit history, EN:template:BS-map/parameter edit history). -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 10:56, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Special:History/Template:Rail-interchange
Please help! After notice feel free to revert or simply remove this section; to get to the version history on a desktop or non-beta mobile please use.    FDMS   4    01:35, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Um, I'm not sure what help you’re looking for. The history link is here:, and &#123;{rint|at|ÖBB}} works now. Useddenim (talk) 03:28, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Template:512 St. Clair
Sorry, but you reintroduced the link to the disambiguation page 00. Could you please check the templates you work on for links to disambiguation pages, as they are for me very difficult to solve. The Banner talk 21:52, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Problem was with Rail-interchange, not 512 St. Clair, but it should be fixed now. Useddenim (talk) 23:50, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Small html for Template:BSto
The Heron Quays row of DLR Route diagram breaks for me and I pinpointed the cause is actually from that inconspicuous  html element for "original site". I fixed it by changing it to. We really should refrain from using the small tag from now and I think Foundation should have disabled it long ago. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 22:37, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree: I detest the use of  in RDTs, and normally remove it when I encounter it—I’m surprised I missed that one, given the number of times I’ve edited that diagram. I have also reduced the line-height slightly more in BSto and BSsplit because at least one editor says that he is still encountering breaks in his RDTs, as I can’t seem to convince him to otherwise not leave “no-man’s land” in templates (see Template:Kollam–Sengottai branch line, for example). Useddenim (talk) 23:15, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
 * small ? YLSS (talk) 08:10, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't quite see the point of loading 1 more template for such simple code. Wait... I used template:= in DLR Route diagram which can be replaced by using named parameter instead of unnamed. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 13:50, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Pretty much the same as with rws, right etc. YLSS (talk) 20:03, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Templates redone
Thanks for redoing and vastly improving the templates - Jolarpettai–Shoranur line and Salem–Palakkad sector. Great job done. I wish I could develop railway line templates like that. Cheers. - Chandan Guha (talk) 00:56, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Chord lines
I don't think there is any point to having 2 pages where the main difference between them is the capitalisation, or not, of the second word in the title.

After a short time, if you type "Chord line", "Chord Line" or "chord line" in the search box it will display both pages anyway, won't it? --220  of  Borg 12:52, 11 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Um, probably Actually, it doesn’t; besides, isn’t the whole point of disambiguation pages to cover the various possibilities? Useddenim (talk) 12:55, 11 May 2014 (UTC) Useddenim (talk) 12:58, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
 * It doesn't, yet. I don't know how long it takes changes to 'propagate' across the WP 'database', but I am certain it will, eventually, work as I stated. For example, chord line already leads to Chord line without a dab page. Currently typing in "chord line", with any combinations of up/low case, only shows Chord Line, Tamil Nadu.
 * My entire point is that to have two pages with such similar names is entirely unnecessary as the WP search box 'function' will show both anyway. --220  of  Borg 14:13, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Transclusion
Dear, recently i changed this template to BS-map format. But the template isn't properly transcluding in its main article. Wondering what error i have done. Hope you could help. --βα£α(ᶀᶅᶖᵵᵶ)(Support ) 21:54, 14 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi, help there. The transclusion of map is now visually fine at main article. --βα£α(ᶀᶅᶖᵵᵶ)(Support ) 08:19, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

TTC numeric icons
I am trying to upgrade the poor quality TTC numeric PNG icons to use the SVG versions. See for the files. I have tried to eliminate their usage, with the aim of having them deleted, but it still shows them linked to many articles. It could be in a template or perhaps it's just my cache. Could you help me track this down? Secondarywaltz (talk) 16:20, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
 * rail-interchange seems to be very slow to update. For example, File:Kiev_T_logo.png is still shown as in use there, 48 hours after I replaced it. Useddenim (talk) 16:27, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
 * That is what seemed to be my problem, except I had no way of confirming it - until now. Thanks. Secondarywaltz (talk) 16:47, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
 * 48 hours further on, and it appears that there are also issues with en:WP and commons coordinating their databases: compare en:Special:WhatLinksHere/File:Kiev_T_logo.svg with commons:Special:WhatLinksHere/File:Kiev_T_logo.svg. Useddenim (talk) 11:38, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

NYSC templates
Have you considered merging BMT4 and IRTE into nysc? I totally agree that spelling out is a bit too much, but having a separate template for each line would be too much as well, in my opinion. How about something like or ? I just have no idea how to properly contract the line names. YLSS (talk) 11:15, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
 * The idea was to have short simple templates to reduce clutter; however, I may add abbreviations to nysc later. Useddenim (talk) 11:19, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, I don't think four letter would add much clutter, but of course this is wholly up to you... YLSS (talk) 14:07, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

All these NYCS station templates
Do we really need all these templates? BMT4, IRTE, and IRTNL are unnecessary. Are you planning to make templates for the other 31 New York City Subway lines, also? IMO, this is a waste of time and NYCS station or NYCS stations can replace them. Epicgenius (talk) 14:41, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, as time permits. And NYCS station wasn’t really usable until fixed your edits to BMT4. Useddenim (talk) 14:54, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
 * So... you intend to make templates for lines that only have seven stations (like IRTNL)? That doesn't seem very efficient, as there can only be seven possible links there. (And while templates such as IND8 can be useful for lines with many stations, think about the shorter lines – a template like IND63 can only be used three times.) Epicgenius (talk) 15:01, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Useddenim, really... is not much shorter than . And if you're worried about performance (although nobody has mentioned this yet), I don't think that a single #switch will make a substantial impact, especially if we compare this to the enormous rint. YLSS (talk) 15:12, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

(OMG... Have I really been typing "nysc" instead of "nycs" all this time?! What, am I going dyslexic? YLSS (talk) 14:55, 22 May 2014 (UTC))
 * OK then, here’s my thoughts for abbreviations for NYCS station:
 * {|class="wikitable sortable"


 * B4 || Fourth Avenue Line
 * B6 || 63rd Street Line
 * BA || Astoria Line
 * BAA || Archer Avenue Line
 * BB || Broadway Line
 * BBn || Brighton Line
 * BC || Canarsie Line
 * BF || Franklin Avenue Line
 * BJ || Jamaica Line
 * BN || Nassau Street Line
 * BM || Myrtle Avenue Line
 * BS || Sea Beach Line
 * BW || West End Line
 * I2 || Second Avenue Line
 * I6 || Sixth Avenue Line
 * I63 || 63rd Street Line
 * I8 || Eighth Avenue Line
 * IA || Archer Avenue Line
 * IB || Broadway – Seventh Avenue Line
 * IC || Concourse Line
 * ICu || Culver Line
 * ID || Dyre Avenue Line
 * IE || Eastern Parkway Line
 * DF || Fulton Street Line
 * RF || Flushing Line
 * IJ || Jerome Avenue Line
 * IL? || Lenox Avenue Line
 * IL? || Lexington Avenue Line
 * IN || Nostrand Avenue Line
 * INL || New Lots Line
 * IP || Pelham Line
 * IQ || Queens Boulevard Line
 * IR || Rockaway Line
 * IW || White Plains Road Line
 * IX || Crosstown Line
 * } Useddenim (talk) 15:24, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
 * It's a good idea. I suggest "ILX" as an abbreviation for the Lexington Avenue Line, and "ILN" as an abbreviation for the Lenox Avenue Line. Epicgenius (talk) 15:40, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
 * IB || Broadway – Seventh Avenue Line
 * IC || Concourse Line
 * ICu || Culver Line
 * ID || Dyre Avenue Line
 * IE || Eastern Parkway Line
 * DF || Fulton Street Line
 * RF || Flushing Line
 * IJ || Jerome Avenue Line
 * IL? || Lenox Avenue Line
 * IL? || Lexington Avenue Line
 * IN || Nostrand Avenue Line
 * INL || New Lots Line
 * IP || Pelham Line
 * IQ || Queens Boulevard Line
 * IR || Rockaway Line
 * IW || White Plains Road Line
 * IX || Crosstown Line
 * } Useddenim (talk) 15:24, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
 * It's a good idea. I suggest "ILX" as an abbreviation for the Lexington Avenue Line, and "ILN" as an abbreviation for the Lenox Avenue Line. Epicgenius (talk) 15:40, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
 * IN || Nostrand Avenue Line
 * INL || New Lots Line
 * IP || Pelham Line
 * IQ || Queens Boulevard Line
 * IR || Rockaway Line
 * IW || White Plains Road Line
 * IX || Crosstown Line
 * } Useddenim (talk) 15:24, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
 * It's a good idea. I suggest "ILX" as an abbreviation for the Lexington Avenue Line, and "ILN" as an abbreviation for the Lenox Avenue Line. Epicgenius (talk) 15:40, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
 * IR || Rockaway Line
 * IW || White Plains Road Line
 * IX || Crosstown Line
 * } Useddenim (talk) 15:24, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
 * It's a good idea. I suggest "ILX" as an abbreviation for the Lexington Avenue Line, and "ILN" as an abbreviation for the Lenox Avenue Line. Epicgenius (talk) 15:40, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
 * } Useddenim (talk) 15:24, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
 * It's a good idea. I suggest "ILX" as an abbreviation for the Lexington Avenue Line, and "ILN" as an abbreviation for the Lenox Avenue Line. Epicgenius (talk) 15:40, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

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Roads on British RDTs
You might be interested in this discussion. Just FYI. YLSS (talk) 16:20, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Crenshaw Line (Los Angeles Metro)
Crenshaw Line (Los Angeles Metro) & Crenshaw/LAX Line. I guess there's some duplicity here. YLSS (talk) 14:41, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Duplicity? I don’t think so, but duplication? yes. My (eventual) intention is to move the relevant information from Crenshaw Line (Los Angeles Metro) to Crenshaw/LAX Line and then delete the former. Useddenim (talk) 15:16, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Oops, sorry for my English ;) YLSS (talk) 16:26, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Nonetheless, it’s still much better than my Russian: Da, Nyet; Do svedanya Tovaritch. (Ya nye ponimayu Russki.) Useddenim (talk) 18:23, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

On a related note: could you please take care of Croxley Rail Link RDT & Railways of Watford and Rickmansworth? YLSS (talk) 10:10, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Better now? Useddenim (talk) 19:12, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Mmm... Great job, both of them look more realistic now, but actually I meant that since you're on the wave of eliminating forked templates (Buffalo Metro Rail‎?), maybe you would provide some more weighty judgement if one of this pair should be deleted? The latter, IIUC, supplanted the former... YLSS (talk) 21:05, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
 * That might be a bit more difficult. Whereas Buffalo Metro Rail‎ merged two different but related diagrams that were on the same page, Croxley Rail Link RDT and Railways of Watford and Rickmansworth show essentially the same information, but for different pages. Useddenim (talk) 00:25, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Talkback
BenYes? 02:26, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Template:Public transport Vienna
Moved to Template talk:Public transport Vienna

As promised :) ! Could you please copyedit? Thanks in advance,    FDMS   4    13:48, 1 July 2014 (UTC) Ah, and if you don't agree with my stub rating, please feel free to change it.