User talk:Utcursch/archive/11

hi
thanks for the interesting links Preetikapoor0 23:16, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

KA-BAR
Possibly you may want to actually LOOK at the change I made. If you cross reference the COMPANY with the DATA in the wiki page you will notice that whoever originally posted that info is WRONG. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.202.146.62 (talk • contribs)
 * You removed the information without giving any edit summary. Please go through company's website. It says the information is correct. If you have any reason to believe that it's wrong, please provide the reason in edit summary. Thanks. utcursch | talk 12:13, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank You
I appreciate the heads up.
 * Sincerely,
 * NinaEliza 15:41, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

:)

 * blush*Oyvind 16:32, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Buddhism in modern India
''I've moved the article to Buddhism in modern India. I hope this will end the move war. User:Hkelkar and User:AMbroodEY were justified in moving the article to "Dalit Buddhist movement", because currently the article talks only about Ambedkar and his followers. I will add some information about others. Hi utcursh,''

I believe the current title is inappropriate one... the article specifically talks about Buddhist sect founded by Dr.Ambedkar commonly referred to as Neo-Buddhism. We already HAVE an article on Buddhism in India!

 अमेय आर्यन DaBrood&#169; 17:20, 6 December 2006 (UTC)


 * The name is proper. Because India got independance since 1947 and we also became one country. The Buddhist conversion Movement initiated by Dr. Ambedkar is in 1956. So the title is proper. It is true because of separation of Buddhism from Hinduism and 22 vows many Hindus don't like the the minority Buddhists in India but that is not our problem. Pkulkarni 18:00, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Pkulkarni
Yep he definitely appears to be our man PK aya Kulkarni.. anyways

check | this edit where he slurs Buddhists! Wierd...

 अमेय आर्यन DaBrood&#169; 22:19, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry at Buddhism in modern India
As you were involved in the discussions, I thought you would like to see this. Regards, - Aksi_great (talk) 11:57, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * User:P K aya Kulkarni also indef-blocked as suspected sockpuppet of Pkulkarni. - Aksi_great (talk) 12:30, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

thanks for your help
Hi. thanks for your help, in keeping an eye one my user page (specifically, the following: Utcursch (Talk | contribs) (Reverted edits by 209.155.49.3 (talk) to last version by Sm8900)

however, actually, 209.155.49.3 is me. So that IP address is ok. i appreciate the help though. Very impressed with how you guys are on the job. i'm a little curious; is there a regular function of Wikipedia, or do you happen to check this from time to time? thanks for your help. see you. --Sm8900 17:13, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * hi. that's good to know! very interesting. thanks for your reply. keep up the good work. see you. --Sm8900 17:16, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks again
I appreciate you letting me know about the move. I posted my approval on the talk page. NinaEliza 03:57, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Pkulkarni...
Our friend PK seems to be running a bigger sock empire then we first suspected. He even has strawmen sockpuppets!

See and. They have trolled Maratha, in nearly same fsahion as Pkulkarni. See,  &.

 अमेय आर्यन DaBrood&#169; 22:00, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Ten socks! Record for a South India editor, I guess! utcursch | talk 04:37, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Dalit Buddhist Movement
Thank you for the re-write, it looks like a viable article now. I appreciate your effort.

On a side note, I'm afraid that I can do no more than to check occasionaly on the page. It's not that I no longer care, but frankly it's accumulated to much "baggage" for me at this time. I also have a limited number of hours on Wikipedia, and as a fairly new user it takes me longer to get things done. Given the current circumstance of my personal life, I feel it best that I work on things that actually alleviate my stress. I also do a bit of reading in that regard as well (such as your rewrite). I hope you understand. All the best, NinaEliza 04:33, 9 December 2006 (UTC)


 * That's perfectly alright, edit what you enjoy :) utcursch | talk 04:37, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Hello, U have done a great job :):):) Even I work in banglore !!Holybrahmin 16:11, 11 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Thank you! utcursch | talk 16:18, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Editor Review
Thanks for reviewing me, I appreciate your sentiments and will take your advise. Thanks again, Dfrg.m s c 1. 2 . Editor Review 21:52, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Blcoked user reverting Copyvio messages anonymously
Hi, Please. User:Srkris who is under one week block has been editing anonymously and removing copyvio messages. - Parthi talk/contribs 01:38, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Apparently Your Enthusiasm for Spam Link Removal Is A Minority Opinion
But I thank you for it, in any case. If you've dealt with such issues in the past, I'd love some support in either obtaining mediation or a third opinion on the ongoing attacks that arose out of my link spam removals.


 * Please note that the above user is an owner of a commercial OTR website (www.digitaldeliftp.com) who charges access to radio shows on his website. The sites he is removing are sites which offer people access to radio shows FOR FREE. Because the content is free, easily accessable and very relevent for the pages in question, they qualify for inclusion. What the above user is doing is simply trying to remove all links giving free access to the same type of OTR shows he CHARGES for. He is editing here in bad faith. PrinceAl 01:48, 10 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Enough with the continued personal attacks, or shooting the messenger. Following me from page to page is abuse, and won't be tolerated much longer. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.170.239.56 (talk) 03:36, 10 December 2006 (UTC).


 * Who are you threatening? Me or the Wikipedia Foundation? 03:44, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Its my website!
Chembai.com belongs to me!!! I have every right to upload my own images and no one has the right to remove them by calling it copyvio. --59.92.46.252 12:08, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

The idiot called Venu62 is already aware of it.

And please talk sense. just because one person agreed with you that the newspaper images are copyvio doesnt mean that it is wikipedia's official policy.--59.92.46.252 12:14, 10 December 2006 (UTC)


 * About images from Chembai.com: I am sure you're aware of Wikipedia policy about copyrights. If the site belongs to you, please do any of the following:
 * Display a notice somewhere on the site http://www.chembai.com/, saying that this content is licensed under GFDL, and permission is granted to Wikipedia for using this content. If you are indeed the webmaster/owner of this website, this should not be difficult for you. If you are not the owner, but have authored the content, please ask the owner/webmaster to display such a notice.
 * Send an e-mail from an address associated with chembai.com (eg. webmaster@chembai.com, contact@chembai.com etc.) to permissions (at) wikimedia (dot) org saying that you explicity permit the use of this content under GFDL.


 * The image will be tagged with Template:ConfirmationImageOTRS once the status is confirmed.


 * About images from The Hindu website: More than one person has agreed with me. If you are User:Srkris, you are the only person who disagrees.


 * Also, please don't make personal attacks such as "idiot". I've no enmity with you, or any friendship with User:Venu62. I'm just against people uploading images from other sites and tagging them as GFDL or public domain. Thanks. utcursch | talk 12:27, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Even if more than 10 persons agree with you, it doesnt mean you are right and I'm wrong. I'm merely saying that Venu62 is a total .... and he already knows that its my website, so that's why he removed chembai.com from external links of Chembai. I did not add it back because I have no wish to violate wikipedia policy. I am just asking you not to use your admin powers to show your might against me. If you can show me official wikipedia policy that says low-res scans from newspapers are copyvio, I will gladly stop. Venu62's actions are not in good faith and he is exploiting the little bit of ambiguity in wikipedia's policies. It is very clearly specified by wikipedia that "low-res" newspaper pictures are allowed. I can prove it is my site, but can I ask you to not tag the pictures copyvio till then? --59.92.46.252 12:35, 10 December 2006 (UTC)


 * First of all, I've never used (and never will) my "admin powers to show my might against you". About Chembai.com images, fine. I'm not tagging those images as copyvio. I hope I'll soon see those images tagged with Template:ConfirmationImageOTRS. As about "low-res newspaper pictures", I posted a note at Wikipedia talk:Copyright problems on December 5, 2006. This is a clear copyright violation. utcursch | talk 12:44, 10 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the understanding. See http://chembai.com


 * I am aware that you have sought "opinions", and one user has responded with "his opinion". Opinions of individual members do not constitute wikipedia's official policy.


 * Wikipedia's fair use policy states (and I quote below verbatim):


 * "As a general rule of thumb, Wikipedia allows low-resolution images of copyrighted material if they are unlikely to affect the potential market for the material, are used for the purposes of analysis or criticism, and for which there is no alternative, non- or free-copyrighted replacement available."


 * It further advises uploaders to include the following info:


 * Historical photographs


 *  == Fair use for ARTICLE NAME == 
 * The image linked here is claimed to be used under fair use as:
 * it is a historically significant photo of a famous individual;
 * it is of much lower resolution than the original (copies made from it will be of very inferior quality)
 *  the photo is only being used for informational purposes.
 *  Its inclusion in the article adds significantly to the article because it shows the subject of this article and how the event depicted was very historically significant to the general public. ~


 * I think the above is clear by itself, needing no further explanation. The newspaper images I uploaded are not hi-res images, and certainly does not affect the market of the newspaper or the photos since they cant be used commercially as their resolution is very low. Hence they are allowed as per my understanding of wikipedia's policy. 59.92.83.63 14:44, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Can you handle this guy who removes other people's remarks from article talk pages in flagrant violation of Vandalism policy. I have warned him not to repeat it. Other than that he has his POV pushing methods and frequently edits out other's additions on Carnatic Music article. Thanks 59.92.87.43 15:23, 10 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Please see [|Carnatic music talk diff]. Here, clearly, this user has indirectly suggested that user:Venu62 will create a revert war with user:tejas81 after user:Venu62 agreed with user:tejas81's suggestion - Srkris has attempted to mislead user:tejas81 about another Wikipedian. After I deleted this remark (due to its nature as a personal attack from a so-called anonymous user), this user not only placed a bogus warning on my talk page, but also reported it here.


 * It also appears that this User:59.92.83.63 shouldn't have even been able to make edits or remarks as he has been blocked (under User:59.92.87.43 and User:Srkris) for violating several Wikipedia policies. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Srkris&diff=93473853&oldid=93216593Ncmvocalist 01:15, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing doubts on the Chembai.com images. As about the images from The Hindu website, if you feel they are fair use images, please use the appropriate template, not the newspaper-scan template. Thanks. utcursch | talk 08:38, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Just making you aware that images from The Hindu website are being sold in a separate section of the website. Ncmvocalist 01:51, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for voting


Thank you for voting in my RfA which at 51/20/6 unfortunately did not achieve consensus. In closing the nomination, Essjay remarked that it was one of the better discussed RfAs seen recently and I would like to thank you and all others who chose to vote for making it as such. It was extremely humbling to see the large number of support votes, and the number of oppose votes and comments will help me to become stronger. I hope to run again for adminship soon. Thank you all once more. Wikiwoohoo 19:56, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Graphics Lab
I saw your name listed on Wikiproject Illustration or  the list of graphic artists, and I thought I'd let you know that a Graphics Lab has been created on EN. Based on the highly successful French and German graphics labs, it seeks to better organise and coordinate our graphic design and photo-editing efforts. Up until now, there has been no common space on EN where users could ask for maps, charts and other SVG files to be created. What's more, the Graphics Lab has discussion boards, tips, tools and links; in sum, a good common workspace. Come help us out! The infrastucture is already in place, and now we need participants. :) -- Zantastik  talk  02:06, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks. The page is already on my watchlist. utcursch | talk 04:45, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Your AfD vote
Simply voting at AfD has no real effect on the outcome, as it's not just a vote, but a discussion. Please state your reasoning. newvoter explains the same, but I think you've been around enough to probably understand this. Thanks.--Kchase T 07:33, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing that out, forgot to add per Tom Harrison. utcursch | talk 07:46, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * No sweat. Thanks for elaborating.--Kchase T 07:46, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Wow. Thanks.--Kchase T 07:52, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
(Moved to User:Utcursch/Recognition. Thanks utcursch | talk 11:51, 13 December 2006 (UTC)) Hi Utcursch,

I'm not much for barnstars anymore, but I wanted to show my appreciation of your editing. This personal user award is my favorite, and was created by User:Thatcher131.

I've learned a great deal (like every reader of these articles) from your efforts. Since I'm essentially ignorant of these topics, it's a huge relief to me whenever I see your work. Please feel free to share this with anyone that has helped you.NinaEliza 18:01, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Question regarding image copyrights
Hi Utcursch. Please see this. This is in relations to the images in Chembai and a number of Carnatic music related articles. There is a huge loophole for exploitation here. Your comments/advise will be most appreciated. Thanks Parthi talk/contribs 21:53, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

More socks
Please see this. - Aksi_great (talk) 10:23, 13 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for notifying. utcursch | talk 11:44, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Pywikipedia
You put a comment on AfD which appears to say move to (where article already is). Did you mean move to Pywikipedia? --BozMo talk 13:06, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Oops, I goofed. Thanks for pointing out. utcursch | talk 13:20, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Ankit Fadia
Can you take a look at this? Thanks. - Aksi_great (talk) 17:23, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: Buddhism Articles
Hi! Good job with the Buddhism articles. I am travelling right now but will keep watching the articles. Regards, Syiem

You Decided - Not to allow edit anyone Ankit Fadia
There is nothing wrong with others. It's all wrong with Indian Wikipedia Administrators who have been given rights to modify contents for well purpose of wikipedia. But so sad that though a lot of evidence appears about ankit fadia on internet as well as on this same wikipedia page, you peoples are doing arguements to find reasons. I saw various edits from all you three admins and sent a mail to HO Wikipedia with the contents that you reported to be wrong. You want to know who is using this IP? They are all the members of all kalpesh sharma group sharing single IP. Do what you can, do this protest will not stop ? Because peoples of country are being saved. nothing is being done wrong by saying the fact and truth about ankit fadia. You are all three discussing and finding about various reasons to anyway edit ankit fadia contents to what it was and don't want peoples to see the right thing. This is a challenge that if you find any content edited in ankit fadia wiki which is wrong, then come out and debate ?

Wikipedia is a reputed name for reputed peoples. Not for Ankit Fadia. If one or two or three articles were wrongly edited, we all might have not edited so many pages. but you are trying to specify that all the content edited about ankit fadia is wrong. Only you peoples are right ? All others are wrong is that what you mean. Then accept our challenge.

one more thing utcarsch, if you think what you mentioned above is right then you are wrong. Mr. Kalpesh always goes with evidence and proofs and that too right in front of eyes instead of barking on wikipedia like ankit fadia's article. As concerns to reputation how can you claim that this editing on wikipedia is because of media publicity. The pages on wikipedia have been edited by our group only from last 15 20 days, whereas ankit fadia's reputation is on net in the first thirty searches of google. First clear your concept and then speak. Go and view the logs of all the pages and urls that are posted in the article written on gather.com by kalpesh sharma itself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.95.201.18 (talk • contribs)

Image:Everaldo Coelho.jpg
Thanks for uploading Image:Everaldo Coelho.jpg. I notice the 'image' page specifies that the image is being used under fair use, but its use in Wikipedia articles fails our first fair use criterion in that it illustrates a subject for which a freely licensed image could reasonably be found or created that provides substantially the same information. If you believe this image is not replaceable, please:


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If you have uploaded other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified how these images fully satisfy our fair use criteria. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on [ this link]. Note that any fair use images which are replaceable by free-licensed alternatives will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. —Angr 09:36, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Image:Everaldo Coelho working.jpg
Thanks for uploading Image:Everaldo Coelho working.jpg. I notice the 'image' page specifies that the image is being used under fair use, but its use in Wikipedia articles fails our first fair use criterion in that it illustrates a subject for which a freely licensed image could reasonably be found or created that provides substantially the same information. If you believe this image is not replaceable, please:


 * 1) Go to the image description page and edit it to add , without deleting the original Replaceable fair use template.
 * 2) On the image discussion page, write the reason why this image is not replaceable at all.

Alternatively, you can also choose to replace the fair use image by finding a freely licensed image of its subject, requesting that the copyright holder release this (or a similar) image under a free license, or by taking a picture of it yourself.

If you have uploaded other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified how these images fully satisfy our fair use criteria. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on [ this link]. Note that any fair use images which are replaceable by free-licensed alternatives will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. —Angr 09:36, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * As you can see at Image:Everaldo Coelho.jpg and Image:Everaldo Coelho working.jpg, the YellowIcon studios had granted the permission to use these images on Wikipedia in July 2006. I had mailed them earlier, asking them to specify the license, but didn't get a reply. Anyways, I've mailed them again, asking them to license the images under GFDL. utcursch | talk 10:23, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Everaldo Coelho has kindly accepted the request and has licensed these images under GFDL. I've forwarded the request to OTRS. utcursch | talk 04:47, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Great, I'm glad to hear it! As soon as the local images can be deleted to make way for the ones on Commons, just put NowCommonsThis on them. Thanks! —Angr 19:02, 17 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Done. commons:Image:Everaldo Coelho.jpg and commons:Image:Everaldo Coelho working.jpg utcursch | talk 13:13, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Kalpesh Sharma on ANI
Please take a look at this. - Aksi_great (talk) 12:32, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Seuna
Hi. Looks like a user "Mrtag" is on to tag vandalism on the above mentioned page and also Rashtrakuta page.Please look into this.thanks.Dineshkannambadi 14:30, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Sir, The Seuna page is being vandalised. It may be someone from the past if you know what I mean.thanks.Dineshkannambadi 15:27, 20 December 2006 (UTC) Please take a look at some citations like these which dont seem to be coming from reliable sources. "The Yadavas of Devagiri not only patronised Marathi[12] and Marathi was one of their official languages[13] but they overthrew the rule of Kannada[14] Their reign also oversaw the literary development of Marathi language.[15]"

Rashtrakuta
Sir, this has been provided an a citation by User:"Mrtag", with no ISBN or OCLC number, publisher etc.It is in Marathi and cant be sure if the user typed it himself or actually came from a book. He claims "Maharashtri Prakrit" an official language of administration. Sanskrit and Kannada as official languages are cited correctly by me. Please help.thanks.Dineshkannambadi 15:31, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

राष्ट्रकूटांनी आपल्या राज्यात कन्नड कला-साहित्याला राजाश्रय दिलाच परंतू तिसर्या गोविंद (७९३-८१४) व विदर्भातील राजकूटांनी महाराष्ट्री प्राकृतला सन्मानाची वागणूक दिली. Rashtrakutas developed not only kannada culture literature but Third Givinda and Rashtrakutas from Vidarbha (especially) respected Maharashtri Prakrit.मराठी भाषेची जननी असलेली महाराष्ट्री प्राकृत राष्ट्रकूटांच्या काही भागात राजभाषा म्हणून उदयास आली होती. Mother of Marathi language, Maharashtri Prakrit was court language in few parts of Rashtrakuta empire. Mrtag 14:34, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

I took a look at the user page, seems recently created and ofcourse, he has dived into the thick of things.thanks.Dineshkannambadi 17:00, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Currently, I am in the process of providing page numbers for my references from books, ISBN/OCLC numbers for the books referenced and all web references per cite-php format including publisher, author, copyrights etc.thanks.Dineshkannambadi 18:16, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Feliz Navidad


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 * Merry Christmas in 100 languages

Hello there!
Saw your interesting blog entry. Cheers! &mdash; Nearly Headless Nick  13:28, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Vernacular scripts
Hey, utcursch. The discussion on vernacular scripts seems to have petered out. The last thing posted there was User:Visviva's suggested guideline, to which no one replied. What is the next step in building consensus on the issue? Gamesmaster G-9 20:37, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

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Western Chalukyas
Hi. Realising you are a native Marathi speaker, I though you could help me. An anon user has dropped a link/citation in the above page claiming it mentions something about Marathi songs in a Sanskrit work called "Manasollosa". I am aware of the work and put a whole paragraph on it myself. The link is below. Can you validte this web page and its contents as per the citation. The citation has been added to the bottom of "Literature" section in the above article. The anon user ofcourse is none other than Mahawiki who has been repeatedly banned in the last couple of weeks.

Marathi songs in "Manasollas" (मानसोल्लास) by Kalyani king Someshwar are termed as stepping stone of Marathi literature.Marathiworld.com-History

Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dineshkannambadi (talk • contribs) 13:47, 29 December 2006 (UTC).


 * Mr.Kannambadi should stop making allegations and irresponsible comments about me and Marathi citations. Why does he always complain of it? I am anative Marathi speaker and my translations are full-proof.I doubt Mr.kannambadi is the one who's blocking me unnecessarily by name-calling. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 59.95.6.80 (talk • contribs).

help
I need help regarding the pages I created. I'm a follower of two spiritual organizations and was trying to create information about them. One is Dattapeetham, headed by Sri Ganapathi Sachchidananda Swamiji of Mysore and the other, World Teacher Trust, a newage philosphical and spirtual organization founded by Late Ekkirala Krishnamacharya. Both have world wide centers and lakhs of devotees. 1) I created an article on Ganapathi Sachchidananda, a spiritual leader and guru from Mysore. The article was later modified by someone who included copyright material. Admin Zoe deleted the article citing copyvio,which is understandable but he also said that Sri Swami was a non-notable person. When I created the article, Admin Deville agreed it was genuine. Please help me ....How can a swamiji who has Lakhs of followers and tours around the world every year be non-notable? I was wondering if you can undelete the article and revert it to the old version where it doesnt violate any copyrights. I couldnt ask admin Zoe because he seems not to agree about the notability. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganapathi_Sachchidananda

2) Same issue with article on Master E.K.

Though I initially used copyrighted material and was trying to rewrite in my own words, Admin Zoe deleted it every time. I can understand that. May be I have to use Ekkirala Krishnamcharya instead of Master E.K. But again I failed to convince Admin Zoe that he is a notable person. He protected the page Master E.K. Please help me on this.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_E.K. I might have crossed the civility code by being a little bit rude to Admin Zoe because of the short time he gave to establish reasons for notability. But I believe these two spiritual gurus can fittingly have a bio on wikipedia, becuase they fit the "cult following" condition from wiki:bio code. Kindly help me on this and let me know if I'm missing something.

Thank you, Ramki ( —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Iamthere (talk • contribs). )


 * Please open the article for editing. This is grave injustice to me,i have really worked very hard to get the sources. Vishu123 17:07, 30 December 2006 (UTC)