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 * No problem, just trying to reduce the patrolling work :-) utcursch &#124; talk 00:24, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Response
@utcursch &#124; talk Regarding your msg on my page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Thecutehero#Reliable_sources

My response: Okie dokie, thanks for explaning the difference, I think you are referring to my changes at Sikh Misl pages. I will do more research and replace the existing references with more ROBUST sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thecutehero (talk • contribs) 03:23, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

Indian people
@utcursch Hi! I recently received a response form you regarding citations. What if the source of the info comes from you and your knowledge of history and cultural similarities? The ones I wrote about are known. Jchibi12 (talk) 04:45, 27 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia does not accept original research, since anyone can claim to be knowledgeable about a topic. See WP:NOR and WP:RS. utcursch &#124; talk 11:57, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Jat Agitation
User: Utcursch I don't know why this is so difficult for you to understand  the line which I'm trying to edit can you please explain me how its related to the Jat Agitation ?? It says "In October 2014, BJP won the Haryana Assembly elections, driven by the consolidation of non-Jat voters against Jat dominance" i.e in the year 2014 when elections were held at that time BJP won because Non-Jats consolidated against Jats and brought BJP to power which I'm saying is not true and is being written now in 2016 due to the clashes between castes. BJP won in Haryana only due to Narender modi. Before election BJP didn't even named their candidate and did their campaigning solely on one motto which was development and removing corruption. You are not reading it carefully and probablly don't know about the region and its politics so please next time you edit provide reference from 2014 that BJP won due to voters being polarized on caste basis. -- User:Chaser9


 * See Talk:Jat reservation agitation. utcursch &#124; talk 05:22, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Mr utvursh dont act like a manuvadi. U dont know anything about indian social system. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.39.98.243 (talk) 17:13, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia has become a garbage dump now. Those who don't know basics are running the show. It is not at all trustworthy.61.0.207.71 (talk) 03:57, 14 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Stage 4: Depression. utcursch &#124; talk 10:44, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Agharia
Agharia page has valid date so don't edit it if u have know knowledge of that.

why u remove [Agharia] page, all facts are real and it helps the Agharia people a lot to know about their history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sanjanind (talk • contribs) 11:45, 3 March 2016 (UTC)


 * See WP:RS. utcursch &#124; talk 15:40, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
Thanks for the autopatrolled!

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Parmara
I am from Pakistan, i belong to Gujjar family. alternative names Gurjar in india, Gujjar or gojar in Pakistan and Afghanistan. Gujjar or Gurjar is our tribal name or caste. we have almost 750 sub castes of Gujjars. like parmar, cheychi, Gorsi, Kushan or Kassana, Khotan or Khatana or khatano, Burgurjar, etc. people of parmara clan called gujjar in pakistan and india than how u can claim them as a rajput. rajputra is a Sanskrit word which mean son of king or prince. its a title not a caste or tribe or clan. please update your history don't claim us only rajput we are gurjar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zhgujjar (talk • contribs) 19:22, 11 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia does not accept original research. If you can find a reliable source that mentions the Paramara dynasty of Gurjar origin, please feel free to add your claim to the article. If your source states that there is a sub-caste called "Parmar" among Gujjars, please create a new article Parmar (Gujjar sub-caste), provided it meets the notability criteria. utcursch &#124; talk 20:05, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Naga Rajputs
Wow! That's BOLD! ;)  Joshua Jonathan   -  Let's talk!   06:50, 12 March 2016 (UTC)


 * You should see my other edits on unsourced caste-related articles. This is not the first one. Most of these articles are combination of pseudo-historical and mythical nonsense. utcursch &#124; talk 06:55, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

Panikera ext link
No, the pages on that sindhindia website aren't all the same: if you look at http://www.sindhindia.com/p/telangana/warangal/nekkonda/panikera/ and http://www.sindhindia.com/p/telangana/warangal/nekkonda/chandrugonda-1/ the maps are different, and also the "About" section with population sizes. These two places are in the same area, Nekkonda Mandal, so it's reasonable that a lot of the info is shared. See http://www.sindhindia.com/p/telangana/adilabad/adilabad/adilabad/ (I just picked first in each A-Z) for a different example. Pam D  14:17, 12 March 2016 (UTC)


 * You seem like someone acting in good faith, so I'm guessing you're:
 * Visiting this website with ad-block (here's a screenshot to help you: http://i.imgur.com/fTsHFaO.png)
 * Not familiar with the SEO spam business of generating such websites with census data and Google Maps API (a few examples for Panikera:, , , , , , , , , , , , )
 * Not familiar with villages in Telangana (and India in general)
 * All of these


 * The only 'different' content is auto-generated from census data (population etc.), Google Maps API (map, "nearest cities, "nearest mandals" etc.) or other sources (PIN code etc.). Some of the information is simply generic information about the state or the district that the village falls in (festivals, crops etc.) -- it is not accurate. Any of this information that is relevant can be included in a Wikipedia infobox/article without any copyright information. The external link is unnecessary per WP:ELNO.


 * If you agree with my assessment, please remove the link. Or let me know if you still disagree -- we can seek a third opinion. utcursch &#124; talk 21:12, 12 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the detailed reply. You've convinced me, and I've self-reverted. Your brief edit summary didn't give the whole picture, as you can see by my reply. I can't now see quite why I got involved in this page and put it on my watchlist, but I think it was probably while having general bother with the edits of the now-blocked editor Alvin the Almighty. I'm no expert on the villages of India, though I've stub-sorted a lot of them and done my best to clean up some of them if I'm in the mood to do so. I think I'll take this one off my watchlist now. Sorry to put you to the trouble of having to explain in all this detail - but the same explanation might come in useful if some other naive editor wonders why an EL is being deleted. Thanks. Pam  D  22:43, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

Randhawa disambiguation
Sir You revert my edits on Randhawa page, but I wanna tell you that if anybody search for Randhawa on wikipedia they want to see Sardara Singh Randhawa aka Randhawa younger brother of Dara Singh. Because he is popularly known as simple "Randhawa" in the whole world. So he deserves the no.1 spot in Randhawa disambiguation page. Plz reply -Dedha9 (talk) 10:52, 13 March 2016 (UTC)


 * The list is of people with surname Randhawa, and you also un-sorted the other entries -- that's why I undid your edit. If you want to link prominently to Sardara Singh's article, you can use a template like about. utcursch &#124; talk 15:37, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

Ahluwalia (Name addition)
Hi Utkarsh,

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahluwalia)

I am not able to understand why are you removing the name i am trying to enter in the "Ahluwalia" page.

I humbly request you to understand the importance on having names of all the important people we have in Ahluwalia fraternity. I have been associated with Abhay Ahluwalia since 2 decades, He is well know in north india for his helpful nature specially when it comes to employment, he has played a major role in generating and employing more job seekers and support our HR system. He is well known by founder of Ahluwalia Group.

I await a positive reply from you.

- Isha — Preceding unsigned comment added by Myglobalcv (talk • contribs) 17:24, 13 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Have a look at Write the article first. If you think Abhay Ahluwalia is notable, please create an article on him. Wikipedia is not a directory. utcursch &#124; talk 17:38, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

@Utcursch Yes, Utkarsh - i understood it. I shall do it the right way. Thanks for the support.

- Isha

I'm very sorry.
I'm new and I'm wondering if there's a wikipedia bot that notifies you if you've done something wrong. I made a lot of edits in a short time. https://github.com/jacob-g/wikimonitor Banana439monkey (talk) 19:52, 13 March 2016 (UTC)


 * There are bots that revert common vandalism or inform you about disambiguation errors etc. What kind of edits have you made? utcursch &#124; talk 23:16, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Mass edits. Unless there isn't a bot to notify you or something. Banana439monkey (talk) 08:04, 14 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Try posting your query at one of these mailing lists. utcursch &#124; talk 13:42, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

Varshney
Hi utkarsh. We have seen and understand your concern about proper citations. But the page has been edited quite a few tims pcer the past years and had quite a handful of content there. What you've done to it now is actually undermining the whole community in a way. Varshneys are not "just bania castes" if we should put it so. If you do not realise it then it is highly recommended you read how varnas actually used to be. Varshneys even though banias in todays time have had a really great lineage of ancestors. You changing the whole page entirely puts the Name in a bad taste. To begin with the page which we edited was already co-referenced with another page of Akrur-ji. Which proves how the lineage was. However if you still require some "citations" then we're afraid you will have to give us time to arrange for you some references from old books because as it seems on the internet. Most people view castes as a certain family you were born in where it is not how it works. And perhaps that is why there are not many articles on the jnternet to cite from. Regardless if the page still requires citations do givr us 2-3 weeks of time. Until then please let the page be as it was originally, because what you have changed it to truly undermines the whole name and the meaning behind the name Varshney.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Varshneysmaj (talk • contribs)


 * Please see WP:BURDEN. utcursch &#124; talk 15:53, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Greetings Utcursch , We have tried to cite the origin in a better manner this time. Perhaps it is our lack or knowledge on how-to-basics of Wikipedia referencing that created a confusion. Kindly do let us know of what mistakes we may have done in citations this time instead of blocking us as whole. We have tried to improve as much as we could, if still some mistakes persist. Do let us know on how we can make improvements. We had to dig up a lot of books and spend hours on referencing as this is not our cup of tea having done our education in India. Regardless, we understand this is wikipedia and we shall abide by it's rules. Also, the idea behind making additions to the page was not to promote a caste , haha. It is just that Barahseni's or Varshneys are one of the key 'castes' surviving to this date which actually realise the value of varnas and how they used to work. In today's time of discrimination between castes in India we just believed it was only for the best the world gets to know how originally a substantial number of 'Kshatriyas' could easily turn into 'Vaishyas' depending upon the kind of work they prefered to do (and vice versa) contrary to the popular belief in India that a person belongs to a certain community only through birth. Hope we have made a good progress this time, Thank you.

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Naga people (Lanka)
Would you please check on the page Naga people (Lanka). Many content is been deleted due to what the deleter called "outdated source". - User:Muvendar


 * Will take a look when I get time. Thanks for the notification. utcursch &#124; talk 20:25, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

Ethics of Bioprinting
Thanks for the updates there. I used PROD and pointed out specific issues (including mention of possibility of the same merge you mentioned in your edit summary) because the whole piece was a paraphrase of a single source & I was hoping to see it improved. No biting intended. Just not an area I knew enough about, I was hoping if it warranted inclusion the original author or someone else knowledgeable would be along to improve it. :-) JamesG5 (talk) 15:13, 10 April 2016 (UTC)


 * No problem. Thanks for patrolling new pages. utcursch &#124; talk 15:13, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Invitation

 * Thanks for creating the new Medu vada article. North America1000 23:39, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Policy Question
Hello Utcursch!

I have a question regarding HTML markups; Do you guys prefer to use or ? Sorry if I'm asking the question to the wrong person, I couldn't find it on the editing formatting page.

Thanks! Fgh (Talkpage) —Preceding undated comment added 04:39, 15 April 2016 (UTC)


 * See Wikipedia:Line-break handling#  . You can also use br. utcursch &#124; talk 04:44, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Hunjan
hunjan is Rajput and Ahluwalia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.147.215.205 (talk) 21:12, 17 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Feel free to make that change with a reliable source. utcursch &#124; talk 22:40, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

Please semiprotect Rajasuya‎
Please semiprotect Rajasuya‎VictoriaGraysonTalk 14:48, 19 April 2016 (UTC)


 * It's just one user who is inserting unsourced material, so protecting the page is not required. Warned the user, will keep a watch. utcursch &#124; talk 14:54, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Kiran Bedi
Hi. You readded two of the books I had removed from Kiran Bedi, so those two are now again listed twice (which is why I removed them in the first place). I don't see the point, and I don't understand what "cited as harv" means. Bishonen &#124; talk 11:40, 22 April 2016 (UTC).


 * These books are cited using Harvard citation style (sfn). For example, in the reference section, you'll find the reference "Saxena 2000, p. 232.", which is linked to "Saxena, Meenakshi (2000)..." in the Bibliography section. utcursch &#124; talk 11:43, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Sinhalese people
Why is it difficult for you to understand that if someone is born from a Odia(Kalinga) princess and a random beast, he is supposed to be related to Odias? Her sons ruled in Sinhapura(ancient capital of Kalinga). Source? Why dont you try reading from the source provided. It clearly states my point. You can read Ancient Jaffna: Being a Research Into the History of Jaffna from Very Early ... by C. Rasanayagam, Mudaliyar C. Rasanayagam Or just visit this link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissanka_Malla_of_Polonnaruwa#Ancestry_and_family See how Nissanka Malla boasts of his Kalinga descendency from Prince Vijaya

Or you can watch this video by Sanjeev Sanyal, author of the best selling books "The Indian Renaissance: India's Rise after a Thousand Years of Decline (Penguin and World Scientific), "Land of the Seven Rivers: A Brief History of India's Geography", (Penguin, 2012) and "The Incredible History of India's Geography" published by Puffin in 2015 in JNU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoyPwRh4nRg&feature=youtu.be&t=16m48s Btw I have made a new edit where I have said that they are related to both odia and bengali people — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.202.5.125 (talk) 17:12, 23 April 2016 (UTC)


 * The assertion you're making is that "modern genetic investigations suggest that the Sinhalese are most closely related to the Odia people".
 * The references you cite above are about mythical / legendary claims.
 * See WP:SYN. utcursch &#124; talk 17:21, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

Bhatraju
mr utcarsh im trying to edit the page of bhatraju u asked me what are my references i have provided one at he beginning and i gathered all the information from books plz dont change the page and i hope u dont know anything what i wrote there

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Rannrahul (talk • contribs)


 * Replied on your talk page. utcursch &#124; talk 02:54, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

Bro I feel u don't know what bhatraju caste is I hope u describe a bit about it like their varna, history but not which category they are classified in obc as it does not explain about a caste but only its reservation Rannrahul (talk) 12:18, 26 April 2016 (UTC)


 * You are free to add any content to the article, as long as ensure that it's well-referenced. Your additions were not removed because they are inaccurate, but because they were not sourced. See WP:BURDEN. utcursch &#124; talk 13:47, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

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May I know your reason to revert my edits on Kashibai? "criticism is about historical accuracy and relevant to the article; the praise is about Priyanka Chopra, not the chracter's historical accuracy is for; take it to talk page)" I think Historical accuracy is for film articles and not characters. We never add criticism or praise to a person's portrayal's in a film. I think you haven't checked more articles like that, have you? Krish |  Talk  18:33, 1 May 2016 (UTC)


 * The article is about Kashibai, not the film or Priyanka Chopra. As mentioned in my edit summary, the criticism present in the article is about the historical accuracy of the character, and is relevant to this article. The "praise" that you added is directed at Priyanka Chopra's acting skills, and is irrelevant to this article. To explain with examples:


 * * "XYZ praised the film's portrayal of Kashibai as historically authentic" - relevant to the article on Kashibai
 * * "XYZ criticized the film's portrayal of Kashibai's as historically inaccurate" - relevant to the article on Kashibai
 * * "XYZ praised Priyanka Chopra's good acting" - irrelevant to the article on Kashibai (the content that you added belonged to this category)
 * * "XYZ criticized Priyanka Chopra's bad acting" - irrelevant to the article on Kashibai


 * utcursch &#124; talk 18:46, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Wow, the current verson does talks about Chopra ans not the Kashibai. Saying she was criticised for her dance is what? Saying the role was historically innacurate is correct but did you tried to change this? NO. Krish  |  Talk  18:50, 1 May 2016 (UTC)


 * The current version is already being discussed on the talk page. Also see Other stuff exists.
 * By the way, the article doesn't say that Priyanka Chopra was "criticised for her dance" (that would, indeed, be irrelevant to the article). It implies that the dance sequence in the film was criticized as historically inaccurate, because the real Kashibai never danced in public. utcursch &#124; talk 19:07, 1 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Really " Kashibai was portrayed by actress Priyanka Chopra. Her dance sequence in the song "Pinga" and her dressing sense met criticism from both Kashibai's and Mastani's descendant along with an outcry in social media" This seems the opposite. Doesn't it? And the user who added this said in the summary "Chopra was criticised, dont be a fanboy......" so tell me who is right or wrong? It was added in bad faith. His exact words were "her portrayal was criticized. it was about this person." and "restoring criticism which the fanboy doesn't like". My point was/is that why the article is talking about Chopra's dance and costume (according to him she was criticised LOL in his dreams maybe). Shouldn't it be discussed in the film article. By the way, i have put my points saying "a fictional version was portraued by Chopra in the 2015 film. Krish |  Talk  19:14, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

The article states that the dance sequence was criticized, not Chopra. I'm not sure which edit summary you're talking about: the only one with the word "fanboy" in it is this one by Dharmadhyaksha -- it does not say "Chopra was criticised". Anyway, this is irrelevant to our discussion, which is about the removal of different content. What about X is not a solid argument here. The 'criticism' bit is being already discussed on the article's talk page. utcursch &#124; talk 19:34, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
 * This is the one and I know that Reviews are irrelelvent. I dont have any problems. And this edit of that user makes it clear what he meant by criticism he said "she was criticised" and its obvious, that was added in bad faith. Krish |  Talk  19:39, 1 May 2016 (UTC)


 * I am not sure why you are you reading that as "Priyanka Chopra was criticized". The edit summary implies "The portrayal of Kashibai was criticized. It was about Kashibai." utcursch &#124; talk 19:52, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Neither the character nor Chopra was criticized, just a costume in a song, some people said how she can dance in public, but in the film she never danced in public but with her women from her family and others. I know SLB exaggerate everything but whatever. It was just Mastani's descendants who made a drama so that they can get some publicity, which is the best way to be in the news for unkown people in India. As dumb Indian media is they can put even a rapist or terrorist on a good position to sell their newspapers. And, who knows if the production team and the descendants both made up this drama to create hype for the film. I is notable that during visiting, they were clicking photos and signing praises for film and after release didnt say a word. God saves India, its democracy and humanity. Krish |  Talk  03:33, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

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Ila pant and sureshpandey
User:Sureshpandey just reverted again without any sources/citation even after the block warning by Admin -- ---Adamstraw99 (talk) 05:41, 12 May 2016 (UTC)


 * I've blocked the user for a week. A tip: don't violate the 3 revert rule yourself, unless the content added is obvious vandalism / libel. As the page on 3RR exemption states, "What counts as exempt under BLP can be controversial". Just report it to Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring and wait for someone to block the user. utcursch &#124; talk 11:49, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

@utcursch, yes sir, thanks.. but I Am sure that @ User:Sureshpandey will now push his version by ip edits now.. and i dunno what to do then :-( .. I Am discussing these issues with him for over 1-2 months now but he obviously ignores the talk pages advices of all Pant family articles --> Govind Ballabh Pant, K. C. Pant and Ila Pant and his ip edits recklessly revert to sureshpandey versions.... --Adamstraw99 (talk) 12:12, 12 May 2016 (UTC)


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Accessdate parametre in citing sources
Hi, I do not generally edit on en.wiki and my home wiki is Bhojpuri wikipedia. I accidently came across this article and I have added some references to Gahmar (As you are aware) and now I notice that there is some problem regarding accessdate. In my timezone it is already 17th of May. Which one should I follow? -- S at yam Mishra ''' --talk-- 22:29, 16 May 2016 (UTC)


 * You can use your timezone's accessdate. utcursch &#124; talk 22:41, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for this help!-- S at yam Mishra ''' --talk-- 22:58, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

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Tarakeshwara Temple
With your vast knowledge about India related topics can you give some thoughts on this review Template:Did you know nominations/Tarakeshwara Temple, please? - Nvvchar
 * Will take a look soon. utcursch &#124; talk 11:08, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I have included your name in the credits.-- Nvvchar . 07:50, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

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Sureshpandey and pant family articles...
Sir @ utcursch, this guy @ Sureshpandey is still hell bent on pushing his POV and original research into the pant family articles... now he is making personal attacks in his talk page and asking me to provide postal addresses of other editors here -> I give up... can you please handle this? thanks.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sureshpandey#To_edit_wiki_pages Adamstraw99 (talk) 13:38, 3 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Just ignore him, don't waste your time. If he adds unreferenced content to the articles again, report him to No original research/Noticeboard. utcursch &#124; talk 16:09, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

ok, got it...thank you. Adamstraw99 (talk) 16:30, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

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