User talk:Utcursch/archive/39

Reg article on Sanjiv Chaturvedi
I had only made factual correction to the article as i had worked with Mr. Sanjiv Chaturvedi and would like you to restore my editing or to discuss them so that appropriate and factually correct information could be updated on the article. Thanks. (Captainarjun28) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Captainarjun28 (talk • contribs) 21:58, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Kundu
Can you provide a link to the previous version of Kundu that was a disambiguation page, as you asserted here? I can't find it. If it doesn't exist, then one might argue that you are the one doing the hijacking. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 09:28, 9 June 2016 (UTC)


 * : Here you go: this is how the page looked like, until an IP copy-pasted content from another website and turned it into an article. utcursch &#124; talk 11:18, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Electrophone (information system)
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Tarakeshwara Temple, Hangal
Hello! Your submission of Tarakeshwara Temple, Hangal at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 21:16, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Tarakeshwara Temple, Hangal
Allen3 talk 12:39, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Indian culture in Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan
Dear Utcursch, Can anyone find reliable sources about the Indian civilation in Merv, Turkmenistan at Kyz Qala and Uzbekistan, Samarkand who have buddist, hindu statues, can you find it? I find it important for the West Indian civilisation, the utter west north Indian civilisation must be sourced by someone and created by very intelligent wikipedia user like Utcursch what excisted there. It would like be a dream come true for all north Indians if the Indian buddistic statues that are there would be contributed to the Indian civilisation and ancient Indian north west empire dynasties — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.56.86.118 (talk) 17:27, 23 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but I don't have much knowledge about this. You can try posting your request on WT:IND or WT:HISTORY. utcursch &#124; talk 17:35, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for Bhoja
Hi, I noticed you've been expanding the Bhoja article -- thank you very much; it was sorely needed. Regards, Shreevatsa (talk) 19:19, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Rastogi
Dear Mr. Atmaram....i personally like to bring to ur notice ...original origin & caste as Wikipedia described...regarding Rastogi's is fake.....i described as per our ancestors provided us & as we have places like rotashgarh in kaimur(Bihar) India where ruler rotashva son of satyawadi Maraharaja Harishchandra ruled..... Ashish Rastogi(Advocate) (talk) 02:45, 9 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Several castes in India claim connection to legendary kings and princes, but this is of little historical value. Claimed descents and legends of origins can still be mentioned in an article, if an acceptable citation is provided. Your edits did not cite any source, and therefore, constitute original research, which Wikipedia does not accept. As I mentioned on your page, feel free to add back the content with a citation. utcursch &#124; talk 02:51, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

ISSUE
Hey Utcursh, i would like to clear this out to you. That i have nothing to do with Bombay talkies studio or with anyone. So keep me away from this!!! Because no where i have done any of it. So please keep me away. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by BT0912 (talk • contribs) 11:08, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for confirming. utcursch &#124; talk 13:52, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

Agnivansha
I've been watching your excellent work at Agnivansha - very impressed. Particularly impressed that you could make sense of Alf H's book, which is the most confusing thing I've read in a long time! - Sitush (talk) 15:32, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Indeed, excellent work Utcursch, on a whole range of Rajput articles! -- Kautilya3 (talk) 18:24, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Rohilla Rajputs
I would ask you to go through the following points

1. please search "Rohilla Taank" on google and you will find enormous links that establish the fact that taank is absolutely congenital with Rohilla.

2. After a thorough study, you will find that "Rohilla" exists in both Hindu and Muslim caste in the same way "Malik", "Khatri" etc exist.

3. There is a image of a street name after Raja Ranveer Singh Rohilla, just because he had an established empire over there. please refer https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/89/Raja_ranveer_singh_rohilla_road_way.jpg (It is written in Hindi there.)

4. How relevant the references from books of James Tod are? Let me tell you, James Tod is one of the most eminent historian, whose name, you would always find whenever the pages from history of rajputana would be unfolded. His writings are the most reliable and authentic ones.

5. As you pointed out my friend in your supported comments,

bad synthesis: these sources are either about the Afghan Rohillas or the Tak; they don't even mention "Rohilla Rajput" >> Afghan Rohillas are same caste in Muslim and Rohilla Rajput is that in Hindu. >> You will not find Rohilla Rajput in one phrase. Actually Rohilla Rajput means the Rohilla whose clans are associated with Rajputana kingdom (700 AD to 1100 AD)(starting	from kannauj triangle, to Palas, Solankis, Chandelas, Chouhans, Pundir, Parmars or Parasharas), The contemporaray in south were Rashtrakutas and in north was Hindu Shahi that I also referenced. Kings were Anandpal and Jay Pal who suffered the attack of intruders like Mohd Bin Qasim of of Umayud Caliphate.

irrelevant - how is this related to "Rohilla Rajputs"? Also, James Tod is not a reliable source)	>> I want to bring it to your notice very humbly that James Tod has been the most authentic resource, please refer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Tod	and reference to a text book is always more reliable according to wiki terms and conditions. please refer WP:SCHOLARSHIP please also refer: 	http://www.epw.in/journal/2016/10/web-exclusives/how-meos-shape-their-identity.html			http://www.livemint.com/Leisure/vyU9qQdbuM6wcdUQdmSCZJ/How-history-defines-greatness.html			http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/blink/explore/horrors-of-the-east/article7137420.ece

(verification failed) >> again "Rohilla Rajput" is not like Rohilla is first name and Rajput is last name. Rohilla is one of the clans of Rajputs whose ancestory links are associated with Tak or Taank dynasty of 600 AD. please refer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kushanshas-Hepthalites_565ad.jpg (upscavenger is not WP:RS; The Calcutta Review, Volume 58 doesn't even mention the term Rohilla or Rohila) >> definitely it is a good catch, I appreciate your efforts, on google, I could not find any reference to Rohilla here or to Shakumbari Devi, the deity of them.

Utkarsh, you are a veteran looking at the contributions you have made to wiki. Please understand, the page exists since 10 August 2009‎ and it has never been linked with Runwala, which would be a flaw, The page had fair number of relevant citations from text book, as it is a history and social topic, obviously, textbooks should be the authenticated ones. I request you to re authenticate the process you followed regarding deletion of the content and moving the page into an irrelevant and disconnected page and restore the original content. Next step for me would remain to go for RPP. Thanks. hey_pal (Friend.hey)(talk) 09:39, 19 July 2016 (UTC)




 * We don't go by Google results. Please see WP:RS. Websites like rohillataank.com/org or Facebook/Orkut pages are not acceptable sources by Wikipedia standards. There are literally hundreds of caste organizations' websites and social media pages claiming connections to everything from mythical kings to ancient tribes. A high number of Google results does not make these claims true.


 * Since you mentioned the Wikipedia article on James Tod, please have a closer look at the Reception section. Tod is regarded as an "authentic" and "eminent historian" by the certain castes he praised, but even among colonial historians, he had a "general reputation for inaccuracy" (to quote Michael W. Meister). His accounts are considered as extermely dubious and biased by mainstream historians. For example, he often connected important castes/tribes with foreign groups on basis of similar-sounding names, calling them tall and fair-skinned, and arguing that they could not be related to "dark, diminutive" Indians. People of these castes liked him a lot for such fawning praises that equated them to the Whites, but he is not widely respected among actual scholars. He belonged to a category of colonial historians whose speculative theories were aimed at "legitimizing their own colonizing invasion" (to quote Alf Hiltebeitel). Tod is not at all a reliable source. This has been discussed several times on Wikipedia (for an example, see Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 115; the only user arguing in favour of using Tod is the now-blocked "Ror Is King", who was using Tod as a source to glorify the Ror community).


 * Irrespective of whether Tod is a reliable source or not, Wikipedia does not accept synthesis. Tod mentions "Tak" or "Tank", but doesn't even mention the term "Rohilla Rajput". That's also true for every single of the "fair number of relevant citations" that were present on the page. In fact, People of India (p. 945) only mentions a claimed Yaduvanshi origin for the Tak caste. The only mention of Rohillas in that book is on p. 823, for the Runwala caste. Similarly, you cannot connect the modern Tak caste to the 6th century dynasty solely on the basis of similar-sounding names. That is original research, and not acceptable here.


 * I don't doubt that "Rohila" surname exists among Rajputs. Please feel free to add content backed by acceptable sources. If you want to move the page to Tak caste, and re-add the content about the Tak community, please feel free to do so. If you have any acceptable sources that connect "Rohilla Rajputs" to Tak caste or "Taank dynasty", please feel free to add them to the article. Those sources cannot be material published by Rohilla Tank Kashtrya Sabha or rohillataank.com/org websites. They have to meet the WP:RS standards. utcursch &#124; talk 14:29, 19 July 2016 (UTC)


 * @Utcursch, what you have done is deranged a balanced article. Does moving to some new community "Runwala" does justice with what the title of the article suggested quintessentially. I don't think so. I made a lot of efforts to read through plenty of books, esp Tod(I understand, you say it's debatable) to make the article as eclectically possible as I could. I keep writing and patrolling for vandalism on wiki, so I am well aware of what relevant sources and citations mean.
 * I would ask you to have a look on below links where not only would you find all the keywords- Rohilla, Raja Ranveer Singh Rohilla, difference from Afgan Rohilla [Please note- Afgan rohilla has very very famous community and this is the reason the page "Rohilla" on wiki is already dedicated to them, they fought one of the war that was a turning point in Indian history and Hindu Rohilla who were forcibly migrated from Afghanistan[read Kabul_Shahi or hindu shahi ie. rule of Hindu kings till 700 AD in Afghanistan] and Raja Naurang Deb who was also a Rohilla king from "Chauhan" dynasty(as most Rohillas are derived from) and king of "Sahawar"]. A lot of Hindu Rohilla have also been forcibly converted to Muslim which is again a debatable issue. The next way open to me will only be to ask wiki admins for "WP:RPP" or to go for arbitration for justice. I request you to think again with all your great intellect, how important it is to place the detail of the hindu community as juxtaposed with Muslim one, same is there in other caste like:
 * Hindu Malik and Muslim Malik (Malik more popularly is found as Muslim)


 * Hindu Butt and Muslim Butt
 * Hindu Rana and Muslim Rana
 * Hindu Chaudhary and Muslim Chaudhry etc.


 * As you seem to hold huge knowledge about the history of Rajputana and others in India, and I appreciate that, I hope you will do justice with the original topic "Rohilla Rajputs" and help the community make their page more robust in future, Thanks a lot.

Links are: https://docs.askiven.com/rajput-history.html

https://sites.google.com/site/rajputrohilla/Rajput_Rohilla_History.pdf{mirror}

The imperial gazetteer of India [by] W.W. Hunter By India, Sir William Wilson Hunter, page 107, para:Sahawar/Naurangabad https://books.google.co.in/books?id=RooIAAAAQAAJ

Thanks a lot. hey_pal (Friend.hey)(talk) 19:28, 21 July 2016 (UTC)


 * It was not a "balanced" article. It was original research/synthesis backed-up by fake references that escaped verification from other editors for several years.
 * I moved the article to Runwala, because that's the only Rajput group that the citations in the article linked Rohillas to. Like I said, if you intended to write an article about the Tak caste, feel free to move the article to Tak caste, and restore content selectively. If you want to write an article about "Rohilla Rajputs", please feel free to do so with reliable sources -- I've no problem with that.
 * The PDF linked on sites.google.com or docs.askiven.com is not acceptable as a self-published source.
 * I read the "Sahawar" (p. 107) entry from the The imperial gazetteer of India. It doesn't even mention the term "Rohilla", leave alone "Rohilla Rajput".
 * Please feel free to go for RPP/arbitration (I think you mean Dispute resolution). utcursch &#124; talk 20:05, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
 * @Utcursch Please refer Pandit Gauri Shankar Ojha’s “History of Rajputana”, also one of the books used in college curriculum(MA in History). In History of Rajputana Volume-1 Dr. Ojha refers Rohillas in Marwar. (Volume 1), Page 166:"Mandor is.." "Harish Chandra who was a scholar of Sanskrit. He was Pratihar or Viceroy of the place. His title was “Rohil Ladhi” ." Can you please take the initiative to trim and clean the data on the page Rohilla_Rajputs and leave only the data that you find relevant according to WP:SCHOLARSHIP and WP:RS. Primary source are not that much reliable as secondary ones like text books are for history articles. Since the page has been reviewed many times earlier also, so some of the references can still be counted upon. Thanks. I shall try to collect all the available bookmarks that you might have missed in the same citation list, that were provided in the article and even were reviewed as well by many other admins. Or for less reliable source/ weak citation, citation needed can be put. Thanks, if you could do that. Please restore it to the possible point where you find it satisfying, and give me some time to review all the citations again and bring in some more robust references. hey_pal (Friend.hey)(talk) 04:20, 22 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but this just plain OR.
 * The "Rohilladhi" title of Harichandra of Pratihara dynasty has nothing to do with the "Rohilla Rajputs" of your article. Harichandra of Mandor Pratihara branch (whom Ojha calls "Harishchandra") is mentioned in a couple of inscriptions. These inscriptions state that he was called "Rohilladhi", and make it clear that he was a Brahmin. His second wife Bhadra was from a Kshatriya family, and their sons are said to have founded the Mandor Pratihara branch. Harichandra himself was neither a "Rohilla", nor a "Rajput". He was a Brahmin who lived in 6th century CE, when the Rohillas had not even emerged as a community.
 * Ojha's book is available online. It doesn't mention anything about Rohillas on page 166. It just states that Harishchandra was a Brahmin, who was also known as "Rohilladhi".
 * Any attempt to connect "Rohilladhi" title with the Rohillas is just bad original research. One might as well argue that Bimbisara was related to Bimbians, Perunarkilli was related to Peruvians, and Ganda was related to Ganda people.
 * utcursch &#124; talk 05:01, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

thanks, first I should appreciate that your knowledge is great and you take care of nuances too. You consider resources in hindi as authentic as well. Please put light on why Harichandra was a king when he was a pure brahmin. He ruled on behalf of some Rohilla king, that is why, his title was "Rohil Ladhi". After migration from "Roh Desh", the rohilla rajputs got displaced and snubbed to regions of Marwar. I believe, being such a erudite of Rajputana history, you would have the answer, why Rohil Ladhi? and if you do not have, then it will be a matter of curiosity to you till you give me a relevant answer. thanks a lot. hey_pal (Friend.hey)(talk) 12:22, 22 July 2016 (UTC)


 * There is no evidence that Harichandra was a king. His four sons from a Kshatriya wife captured Mandavyapura (Mandor) and built a rampart there. Out of these four sons, Rajilla's descendants were members of the Mandor Pratihara dynasty. (By the way, there are several instances of Brahmin kings; e.g. Pushyamitra Shunga).
 * Anyway, that's not my bone of contention here. If a book by a reliable historian states that Harichandra was a Rohilla Rajput, I'd have no problem with that being stated in the article. The problem here is that your sources either don't mention "Rohilla Rajputs" at all, or are unreliable.
 * As for "Rohil Ladhi", you are just regurgitating the pseduo-historical claims from the publications of Rohilla Tank Kashtrya Sabha and its affiliates. Caste organizations in India are notorious for conjuring up pseudo-history, connecting themselves to everything from epic heroes to historical dynasties. Jat pseudo-historians claim that Jats killed Alexander the Great; Kushwaha pseudo-historians claim that Mauryan emperor Ashoka was a Kushwaha; Kapu pseudo-historian historians claim that Krishnadevaraya was a Kapu and so on. There are thousands of X Jati ka Itihas, XYZ Garima, Prachin XYZ Vanshavali etc.
 * There is a reason why Wikipedia has WP:RS guidelines: we don't accept such nonsense. The claim that Harichandra he ruled on behalf of "some Rohilla king" is absurd: Rohillas did not even exist as a community in 6th century, leave alone as a political power with vassals. Rohillas rose during the Mughal era; Daud Khan was granted some territory by Muhammad Shah around 1737 CE.
 * If you don't agree with me, feel free to seek a third-opinion at WT:IND or WP:RSN. utcursch &#124; talk 14:35, 22 July 2016 (UTC)


 * pushyabhuti shunga, he was a traitor, who killed the last mauryan emperor with treachery. sir, he is also responsible for huge revival of hinduism. At that time, jainism, budhism and aajivika were prevalent. hindus were even in minority, he did mass persecution too, just to let Hinduism reemerge strongly, so did the four varnas- kshatriya, brahmin etc.
 * As I mentioned, being an erudite, you should put some light upon "what Rohil Ladhi" signifies and sth about literally its genesis?
 * As I mentioned, I will collect all the RS, and I am ready to accept even what you do with non relevant citations. I just wanted you to do justice with the genuine details cited with primary or secondary sources( history articles even Bindusara, Ashoka etc have accepted ambiguities because different compilations have different interpretations like Ashoka in jainism and budhism have!)

Please do not bring Afgan Rohilla in the topic just to suuport your facts, esp when you already have good knowledge of your niche domain. Hindu Rajput Rohilla is a recognized caste in Haryana's official caste gazette. Still I respect your knowledge but not undermine my sources. I will bring up authentic citations which would be in hindi, hope you will recognize. I will also put the original page for RPP, hope you would not mind and appreciate whatever point it will be concluding to. thanks and keep enlightening wiki.

Weird edit
Can you make sense of this? Are the sources ok? I've reverted once and someone else has issued the ARBIPA notice to the contributor. - Sitush (talk) 10:31, 22 July 2016 (UTC)


 * I don't have a copy of M. L. Bhargava's book, but this looks like WP:FRINGE to me since I can't find any other decent sources about this claim. Pinging who has been editing the article on Hemu. utcursch &#124; talk 14:46, 22 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Reverted.--Cpt.a.haddock (talk) (please ping when replying) 19:06, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

You are Welcome
I appreciate you taking the time to thank me. India is important to me for many reasons, not the least of which is Aamir Khan. If you don't mind, I have a question. I was editing the article on the city of Tandur and I came across a phrase that I do not understand-"...runs via out the year". From context, I am guessing that it means that the business runs all year long but I don't want to make a mistake. I will appreciate any insight you can give me. Thanking you in advance BobDog54 (talk) 22:53, 24 July 2016 (UTC)


 * It appears to be poor grammar. Probably means "throughout the year", as you suggest. utcursch &#124; talk 18:51, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Gangwar
Utcursch is self declared historian, know each and everything. And has rights to ignore anybody's history. Do you have your ancestor's history ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.205.135.220 (talk) 17:34, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Assuming, this is about this particular edit, please see WP:BURDEN. I do not claim to be a historian or to know everything. I just abide by WP:V policy, and so should you. utcursch &#124; talk 17:39, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

Request
Could you have your say at Talk:Hindupur?-- Vin09 &thinsp; (talk)   09:53, 8 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Appears to be resolved now. Will keep a watch. utcursch &#124; talk 13:29, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Rai dynasty
Hello, hope all is well. What evidence is there that the Rais succeeded the Sassanids? I was not able to find a source. Only reason I put the Rors, is because the timeline from the end of the Rors and the rise of the Rais makes sense in Sindh. Look forward to your answer. (2600:1001:B124:193F:CD23:AAE0:A023:60A9 (talk) 03:25, 10 August 2016 (UTC))


 * Hi, the reference for Sassanid predecessors is cited in the "Origins" section of the article. Like I mentioned in my message, feel free to add Ror dynasty to the list of predecessors with a reference. utcursch &#124; talk 04:06, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Moto Bapu
Utcursch, the source given isn't a primary source--it is an unreliable source, that much is clear, but worse, the article is simply copied from that website and I will delete it as a copyvio. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 04:22, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Tomar clan / Tomara dynasty
hi, I'm a bit confused by what seems to be a unilateral decision to merge the above two articles. I'm not saying it is wrong (not sure) but have I missed a discussion? - Sitush (talk) 00:27, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

I'm doing the opposite of merging: I've created a new article on the dynasty: Tomara dynasty. I'll shortly trim the content about the dynasty from the article Tomar clan. The only thing I've merged is the revision history from the article Tomar nee Attrish. utcursch &#124; talk 00:34, 15 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Ah, that makes sense now. It just confused me for a moment. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 00:50, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Basilewsky's cranefly
Hi,

First, thanks for the cleanup. I was trying to connect with the new editor who created the page (they got a kind of rough welcome that was only marginally their fault), but they appear to edit in fits and starts, and haven't answered. Looking for a couple of 2nd opinions from you: first, how long would you leave it as is, before taking away the under construction tag? And second, I'm fairly sure species are presumed to pass GNG, but there is not much info at all in that article, and I can't find anything except 85 different versions of the same newspaper story. I'm inclined to leave it alone, but wonder what you think. --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:07, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

If you are still working on the article, you can let the under construction tag remain. Otherwise, you can remove it. Stubs are acceptable, so the small size of the article should not be a problem. utcursch &#124; talk 23:02, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm not (never was), I added that as an (attempted) favor to the new editor. Since they haven't returned, I'll remove it. Thanks. --Floquenbeam (talk) 23:04, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

It's wrong.
It's wrong. It's as simple as that.

I read what it says on the talk page and there's references for both so we have to decide ourselves which one.

Let's make it accurate.

Why on earth would you choose to make it inaccurate just because other people got it wrong too?

Yours sincerely. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Suchprose (talk • contribs) 17:28, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Decline of Buddhism in India
Hello, the decline of Buddhism in India page has been changed to Decline of Buddhism in South Asia. That is very much incorrect, as Bhutan and Tibet (in come cases considered South Asia) has Buddhism. Plus the article has nothing to do with Afghanistan, which the user claimed as reason for the change. Can you please revert it back to Decline of Buddhism in India or Indian subcontinent? As mentioned, Afghanistan has nothing to do with that article. (2600:1001:B102:4A8C:582:C5B6:CD9E:D131 (talk) 08:03, 27 August 2016 (UTC))

Mohamamed Aziz
I am not promoting anybody, but rather presenting the truth and facts. You cannot hide the facts, just simply being based on your views. You have just biased eyes on the famous singer like Mohammed Aziz. It seems that you don't like the article on him at all though I have cited my edits with so many references. It's up to you. You have the right not to accept my edits. I have no headache with that. And, do you know the reference (which is already there) doesn't browse and it seems an invalid reference. The webpage doesn't exit. While you denied the true reference www.mdaziz.com, it is ruining the credibility of Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.113.193.4 (talk) 21:17, 18 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Have a look at WP:RS. utcursch &#124; talk 14:07, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Merger discussion for Panchala
An article that you have been involved in editing&mdash;Panchala&mdash;has been proposed for merging with another article. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. Cpt.a.haddock (talk) (please ping when replying) 14:09, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

Sanaura
The text says district is Mau. Please correct. I don't know the subject.Xx236 (talk) 06:05, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Fixed, thanks. Apparently, there are multiple villages with this name. utcursch &#124; talk 11:33, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

Prithviraj
I noticed you have expanded and included other versions of Prithviraj Chauhan's death. Was there a reason why you have left out versions of Prithviraj's death by Satish Chandra and Pradeep Barua? Granted this is on the fringe(area-wise) of my "expertise"(if we would call it that).

And according to the Encyclopaedia of Islam, Vol VII, T.W. Haig, page 409, "He(Muhammad Ghori) was wounded, but escaped, and in 588/1191 returned to India, defeated and slew Prithwi Radj at Tarawri.".

Since I am not acquainted with it, is not Prithviraja-Prabandha simply another version of the Prithviraj-Raso? And if not, who wrote the Prithviraja-Prabandha? --Kansas Bear (talk) 06:30, 21 September 2016 (UTC)


 * I overlooked Minhaj Siraj's account mentioned by Satish Chandra. Will add it to the article. Thanks.
 * Prithviraja-Prabandha is not same as Prithviraj Raso. It is one of the several books contained in Puratana-Prabandha-Sangraha compiled by the Jain scholar Jinavijaya Muni. Its authorship is not certain. I plan to create articles about all these texts sometime in future. utcursch &#124; talk 11:36, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

Social class among Muslims
I opened a move proposal on the article talk page here. Steve Quinn (talk) 03:05, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

I self-closed the Afd. I think this is creative because this is the first time I self-closed for a "page move". It's pretty cool! Steve Quinn (talk) 04:36, 30 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks, cheers! utcursch &#124; talk 04:51, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

India and state-sponsored terrorism
Please semi-protect this article. --Martian Manhunter xyz (talk) 05:03, 4 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Please see Requests for page protection. utcursch &#124; talk 13:48, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

Regarding changes made on Dosa
Hi Utkarsh, glad to see that someone has noticed my changes. Thank you again. The changes I had made on 'Dosa' page, sorry for not adding any comments or reference to it. The change made was 'Dosé' instead of Dosa, because it is called as Dose in Karnataka and the edited section was also  speaking on Karnataka regional dosa.DebonairGuru (talk) 09:22, 11 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the explanation. The sentence that you changed is not about the dosa as made in the modern Karnataka region. It talks about the dosa recipe described in Manasollasa, which calls it dosaka. utcursch &#124; talk 14:14, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

User:Swagger1999
You may want to revoke talkpage access from this user who you just blocked. Thanks! 2601:1C0:4401:F360:E036:CE49:FD17:5346 (talk) 04:55, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

Second Battle of Anandpur
Dear Utcursch, Thank you for your message. I made the change and deleted the last paragraph of "Aftermath" on the page "Second Battle of Anandpur" as it contradicts the information provided. On the top of the page right column it says the Date of the battle is 1704 and the last paragraph "Aftermath" says that sometime after this battle,another battle of Nirmohgarh(1702) is fought. So, this battle fought in 1704 cannot be fought before the battle fought in 1702. Hence, i deleted the last paragraph. But, now with this i realise,and after reading the other pages of wikipedia,regarding the related pages,that i should have infact changed the date from 1704 to 1702 in top right hand column. This i would do with your permission. Send me your message. Regards Tanmay — Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.50.189.222 (talk) 23:19, 10 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Good observation. I've removed the second part. utcursch &#124; talk 23:38, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated
Thanks for reviewing Shobhita, Utcursch.

Unfortunately Prof tpms has just gone over this page again and unreviewed it. Their note is:

"Good work. Need one picture or map."

To reply, leave a comment on Prof tpms's talk page.

Two-Factor Authentication now available for admins
Hello,

Please note that TOTP based two-factor authentication is now available for all administrators. In light of the recent compromised accounts, you are encouraged to add this additional layer of security to your account. It may be enabled on your preferences page in the "User profile" tab under the "Basic information" section. For basic instructions on how to enable two-factor authentication, please see the developing help page for additional information. Important: Be sure to record the two-factor authentication key and the single use keys. If you lose your two factor authentication and do not have the keys, it's possible that your account will not be recoverable. Furthermore, you are encouraged to utilize a unique password and two-factor authentication for the email account associated with your Wikimedia account. This measure will assist in safeguarding your account from malicious password resets. Comments, questions, and concerns may be directed to the thread on the administrators' noticeboard. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 20:34, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

Punjabis
Dear utcursch, here are sources that emphasis the fact that not all Punjabis have descended from the Indo-Aryans. ,, , , ,

I request that this information be added in the relationship section in the Punjabi people article. Any of following terms Scythians or Jatt-Scythians or Sikh-Scythians or Jatt Sikh-Scythians can be used because they are available in the sources I have provided.

Peeta Singh (talk) 01:06, 13 November 2016 (UTC)


 * I have never said that all Punjabis are descended from the ancient Indo-Aryans. I am only opposed to claims such as Punjabi is derived from "Scythian languages" and Gurumukhi originates from "Scythian" script. I'd recommend posting article-specific comments on the article's talk page. utcursch &#124; talk 03:34, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

Eddie Alvarez
Hi, Utcursch; another article that needs protection, related to the wrestling article you just locked. Thanks very much, 2601:188:1:AEA0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 04:28, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Much appreciated. Cheers. 2601:188:1:AEA0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 04:30, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
 * No problem, thanks for the heads-up. utcursch &#124; talk 04:31, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the protections, especially on the UFC article - those articles tend to get annihilated on the night of the event. Just wanted to double check, did you intend to use extended semiprotection on those? --Bongwarrior (talk) 04:55, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I had to use extended because UFC 205 continued to attract unhelpful edits even after semiprotection. utcursch &#124; talk 04:59, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, no objections. I didn't notice that UFC 205 had already been semiprotected, my mistake. --Bongwarrior (talk) 05:04, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

Official languages of Canada
Glad to be of help! Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 06:30, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

Merger discussion for Narendra Modi’s demonetisation policy
An article that you have been involved in editing&mdash;Narendra Modi’s demonetisation policy &mdash;has been proposed for merging with another article. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. AdityaChanana (talk) 06:32, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Govindachandra (Gahadavala dynasty)
— Maile (talk) 00:21, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

A new user right for New Page Patrollers
Hi.

A new user group, New Page Reviewer, has been created in a move to greatly improve the standard of new page patrolling. The user right can be granted by any admin at PERM. It is highly recommended that admins look beyond the simple numerical threshold and satisfy themselves that the candidates have the required skills of communication and an advanced knowledge of notability and deletion. Admins are automatically included in this user right.

It is anticipated that this user right will significantly reduce the work load of admins who patrol the performance of the patrollers. However,due to the complexity of the rollout, some rights may have been accorded that may later need to be withdrawn, so some help will still be needed to some extent when discovering wrongly applied deletion tags or inappropriate pages that escape the attention of less experienced reviewers, and above all, hasty and bitey tagging for maintenance. User warnings are available here but very often a friendly custom message works best.

If you have any questions about this user right, don't hesitate to join us at WT:NPR. (Sent to all admins) .MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:48, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

146.111.30.193
Please note WP:AFDHOWTO. You are responsible to open a discussion of the deletion of an article. Do not forge a "merge" if you are not doing it at all. If you think an article is unreliable, please point out which part of the article is unreliable in the discussion page or a deletion nomination page. Unilaterally removing a page in the name of "merging" without any actual merging action is a vandalization of Wikipedia. --146.111.30.193 (talk) 19:48, 28 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Nobody is "forging" a "merge". This is removal of unsourced content per WP:BURDEN. I (or anyone else) is not under an obligation to "merge" unsourced content. utcursch &#124; talk 19:50, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry, my mistake. User:Sitush forged that merge and you edited it. I didn't notice the user change. This article is wrote in a bad manner, and it needs some cleanup. --146.111.30.193 (talk) 19:57, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

"Insults go on the talk page."
I like your combination of orderliness and understatement. :) Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 02:52, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Unusual notice from Hindi Wikipedia
Hi Utcursch. I have received an alert that my user name is on a page on the Hindi Wikipedia. I checked the link and my user name is on a page that looks something like a main page. I do not know what the Hindi characters (or letters) on the page mean or whether I should be concerned about this. I thought that perhaps you might know what, if anything to do about this. Thanks. Donner60 (talk) 05:51, 3 December 2016 (UTC)


 * The alert is no longer in my list of alerts. Yet I did find my name on a page in that Wikipedia. It may still be there. This certainly is strange. Donner60 (talk) 05:59, 3 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Looks like you visited Hindi Wikipedia for the first time today, so an account was created for in accordance with SUL. A bot posted a standard welcome message on your talk page: hi:सदस्य वार्ता:Donner60, which probably resulted in the notification. utcursch &#124; talk 19:47, 3 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks so much. I am reasonably sure I visited the Hindi Wikipedia to check on a link or compare some sort of change made in the English Wikipedia, without thinking in advance that I would be completely unable to read or interpret it. I did not think about this when I received the later alert but it makes sense that there would have been a connection. I have visited a few other non-English Wikipedias but I can read a little Spanish and can sometimes discern something in a few other languages. Again, thanks for clearing that up for me. Donner60 (talk) 22:52, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Address Collection
Congratulations! You have more than 4 accepted articles in Wikipedia Asian Month! Please submit your mailing address (not the email) via this google form. This form is only accessed by me and your username will not distribute to the local community to send postcards. All personal data will be destroyed immediately after postcards are sent. Please contact your local organizers if you have any question. Best, Addis Wang, sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 07:58, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Confirmed account
Hello Utcursch,

Could you tell me how I can get my account confirmed so that I can upload pictures to the page?

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tmahendrarajah12 (talk • contribs) 02:12, 4 December 2016 (UTC)


 * An account is confirmed 10 edits later and four days after creation. Since you seem like a constructive user, I've manually confirmed it. utcursch &#124; talk 02:47, 4 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you! tmahendrarajah12