User talk:UtherSRG/Archive Jun 2007

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Hi What do you think about my recent edits? Are they costructive? In my opinion yes they were... yours Flavio/Wiki pest 13:23, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Please stop editing until you have found a mentor. I do not have time to watch all of your edits, but there have been several mistakes, some big and some small. I do not have any patience left for you. If you continue to edit without a mentor, I will block you again. - UtherSRG (talk) 16:53, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * What means "patience left"?
 * I'm now unblocking on it.wiki and I returned there. But I do not abbandon you and yours wikipedia, my second home.

Do not block me, I'm without guilt and I do not offend you. I'm not an evil user... but I have an evil fate Sincerly Flavio/Wiki pest 18:40, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


 * It means I'm done. Done answering your questions. Done giving you the benefit of the doubt. Done trying to explain things to you. I'm done with you. You have exceeded my patience. You have exhausted you last hope with me. I am now going to block you. When you find a mentor, I will unblock you. Good day sir. - UtherSRG (talk) 19:42, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

User name
Hi UtherSRG, I'm sorry for my poor english ;P I'm Trixt, a sysop in italian Wikipedia. Please, watch out this user: is user name is very inappropriate, because in italian, "Succhiacazzo" can be traslated in "a man who sucks dick", a very dirty word :) Moreover, he is a user registered only for personal attacks (check this and this, "Poverino" is like "little poor guy"). This is not a defense for User:Flavio.brandani, but only correctness (for me, Flavio.brandani must be banned to infinity). Thank you for you attention --Trixt 03:54, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Ops, he is already banned I'm sorry ;P --Trixt 03:57, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the warning, but as you see, it's already been handled. I'll keep on the lookout though. - UtherSRG (talk) 04:05, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: Sun bear
The problem here is that "sun bear" isn't a proper noun, and the article isn't part of WP:BIRD. Most other organismal and microbiology articles on species follow that logic (Grizzly bear, American black bear, Black widow spider, Honey bee, Enterobacteria phage T4, etc. --Core desat 01:34, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, see WP:CIV. --Core desat 01:35, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

About WP:CRYSTAL
I fail to see your point. WP:CRYSTAL states: Wikipedia is not a collection of unverifiable speculation. All articles about anticipated events must be verifiable, and the subject matter must be of sufficiently wide interest that it would merit an article if the event had already occurred.


 * Wikipedia is not a collection of unverifiable speculation.
 * The fact has been verified, and sourced.


 * All articles about anticipated events must be verifiable, and the subject matter must be of sufficiently wide interest that it would merit an article if the event had already occurred.
 * Utopia (Doctor Who), The Sound of Drums and Last of the Time Lords exists, and are sourced (and watched for any unsourced material)

So why are you pushing this on all the pages relating to Jack? Will (We're flying the flag all over the world) 22:31, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Blocked, but not blocked...
Hi there. A few days ago, you blocked for 1 week, however there is no record of an early unblock, and they have been editing today. See for yourself... Quite strange...

ChrischTalk 13:24, 30 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Look again. I blocked them at the end of March, two months ago. - UtherSRG (talk) 13:47, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Question
Why did you undo my spelling edit of Talk:Scientific classification? Iph 16:57, 1 June 2007 (UTC)iph
 * It is incorrect and impolite to correct other's talk edits. - UtherSRG (talk) 04:57, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Another fauna FAC
From User:MONGO: Featured article candidates/Elk (Cervus canadensis) Marskell 10:40, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * It sorely needs to be moved to another title.... - UtherSRG (talk) 13:57, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Category:Near Threatened species
Thanks. Will this only work for new articles? Also, can you do some similar with DD? Smallweed 11:50, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * It will work for all articles, but only a few will show up immediately. There are too many articles for the update to be immediate. If you visit an article that is NT, it will get forced into its categories. There's another way it will work, too, but I'm not sure what it is. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:03, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reverting my edits. Smallweed 13:24, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * No prob. - UtherSRG (talk) 13:58, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Meetup
Hello, UtherSRG

You have either attended or expressed interested in the previous NYC Meetup. I would like to invite you to the First Annual New York Wikipedian Central Park Picnic. R.S.V.P. @ Meetup/NYC -- Y not? 14:19, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

New Deer
South Andean Deer. Perhaps you want to MSW3-ify this. I'll probably create more. When I do, I'll pass a list along. Marskell 08:29, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I haven't gotten up to the deer yet..... I'm still working (slowly) on Carnivora. I'll hit the even- and odd-toed ungulates next. - UtherSRG (talk) 09:50, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Deletion of Slender loris
I'm curious to know why you decided to delete that redirect instead of fixing it by either redirecting it to Red Slender Loris or by writing an article about the genus Loris. As you can see, I've gone ahead and written a barely-stub there for now. Tom e rtalk 20:30, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The redirect possibilities were incorrect. Given the adequacies of the search facility of Wikipedia, the redirect was not needed. The stub is good, and I've improved it. - UtherSRG (talk) 20:55, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Felines
why you destroy my edit in colocolo, pantanal cat and pampas cat ? Name the colocolo is synonims leopardus pejeros ? Answer me quickly... âThe preceding unsigned comment was added by Caniche (talk â¢ contribs).

sorry, this is my mistake.... see you âThe preceding unsigned comment was added by Caniche (talk â¢ contribs).
 * Done. - UtherSRG (talk) 09:53, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Wombat Page
I'm sure you've noticed the recurring vandalism to the wombat page. Locking the page might be a bit excessive, but at the very least the user should be warned. âThe preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.171.41.223 (talk â¢ contribs).
 * I catch it as I can. - UtherSRG (talk) 09:53, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

CopyVio at Antelope Jackrabbit.
Source as on 2005-08-22 (more than 2 months before the 1st WP edit for the article):

"Reproduction

The litter size varies from 1 to 5."

Article version you put back:

"Reproduction

The litter size of the Antelope Jackrabbit varies from 1 to 5."

Source: "The age of maturity is uncertain, but females probably breed within a year of birth."

Article: "The age of maturity is uncertain, but females probably breed within a year of birth."

Source: "Breeding continues year round. Several litters are born each year, each of which contain 2-4 individuals."

Article: "Breeding continues year round. Several litters are born each year, each of which contain 2-4 individuals."

Source: "Mating is promiscuous; males chase females, and box to repel rivals."

Article: "Mating is promiscuous; males chase females, and box to repel rivals."

etc., etc.. -- JeandrÃ©, 2007-04-16t19:16z


 * Ok. - UtherSRG (talk) 09:53, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

female ejaculation
Hi there... I am new to this thing and I am not sure why you keep rejecting my changes. You mention that it's nonsense, but I don't think so - the article that I linked to helped me out quite a lot and I thought that it might help others too. Please let me know what I should be doing differently. Thanks.
 * See WP:EL. - UtherSRG (talk) 09:53, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Bobcat + CAPs
First off, I have turned to the dark side. I was editing Bobcat and not reverting upper case, so I thought I might as well be self-consistent. (No comment on the Cougar FAC?)

Also, can you check that the sub-species list on Bobcat accords with MSW3. I think you've already gone over it, but it's sourced to something else. Marskell 09:36, 30 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I haven't had the time to read it through, especially since it was in a state of flux. I'll take a look later today or tomorrow. Does this mean I can caps-up the other big cat articles now? It looks like I gave Bobcat my MSW3 workover in early April. I'll double check tonight when I'm at home with MSW3 to be sure. Since we're on the subject, could you weigh on on the merge or no merge of Florida Panther into North American Cougar debate? - UtherSRG (talk) 11:09, 30 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, I won't revert you but somebody else still might. You might want to try it on Lion or Tiger first, and see what happens.


 * I have actually registered a disagreement on the merge (though not for the sames reasons as the anon). Marskell 11:52, 30 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I wasn't expecting agreement. I was expecting something between total merge and no change. Your response is nearly exactly what I was hoping for. Granted, I didn't start out hoping for a middle ground, I was hoping to just merge, but as the evidence for inertia mounted, I realized that trying to move the mountain entirely was not going to be successful. I'll let it sit a little more and see what happens.... - UtherSRG (talk) 11:58, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

The Bobcat subspecies list is correct as listed. - UtherSRG (talk) 19:49, 30 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Ok good, I'll remove the cite in place now and shift to MSW3. Also "There has been some debate over whether to classify this species as Lynx rufus or Felis rufus. Although the former is the preferred scientific name, the debate is part of a wider issue as to whether the four species of Lynx should be given its own genus, or simply placed as a subgenus in genus Felis.[3]" Is this still widely debated? Marskell 11:18, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Good. - UtherSRG (talk) 09:53, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Naming convention
Greetings, UtherSRG. I was wondering if I could impose upon you to do me a service? You see, I noticed that, earlier today, you changed the title of an article from American black bear to American Black Bear. Could you direct me to the document that favours the use of capitals in the article title, like that? It appears I've been doing it incorrectly based on my reading and my understanding of WP:MoS and WP:NC (CN). (You see, it was I who, most recently, changed the title of that very same article in the reverse direction.) I'm sorry if the change I made to the title was in error and it's my hope that you could point out to me what I missed and where the direction for the naming convention, as you employ it, has come from. Thanks muchly. &mdash; Dave (Talk | contribs) 18:05, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * There's some disagreement over how things should be done, but the logic behind using capitals is on WP:BIRD. Some mammal wikiprojects have also adopted this naming style, and since I am systematically editing every mammal article to be in accordance with Mammal Species of the World (3rd ed 2005) or later published works, and since I prefer that naming style, that's where I move articles to. - UtherSRG (talk) 18:12, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you, that was quite helpful. I did look at WP:BIRD and there is no question that you are correct that bird articles should be named that way. However, both WP:MoS and WP:NC (CN) state clearly that, where such direction has not been established for a faunal group, that we should use the standard convention of first word only capitalised. In fact, at WP:NC (CN), the instruction is the exact opposite of what you suggest. See, down the list, there, where they say that Guinea pig and Sea cucumber are correct? So, I was not trying to be disruptive when I changed that article some weeks ago. It's just that, after a careful reading of all the direction and having failed in finding any definitive direction for Mammalia, generally, or Carnivora or Ursidae, more specifically... Well, I think you can guess how I came to a conclusion that differs from yours. Anyway, thanks for your contribution to my understanding. I'm not sure I'm any closer to seeing my way through this other than to interpret that you do it that way because that's the way you prefer it. If that assessment is in error, please correct me. Thanks again. &mdash; Dave (Talk | contribs) 19:21, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Stay tuned.... - UtherSRG (talk) 09:53, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Citing sources
sorry. I'll get on to it. doozy88.
 * Thanks. - UtherSRG (talk) 09:53, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Re Cougar
Hi Stacey,
 * ''(restoring caps and formatting...)

Please don't restore these capitals; they're ungrammatical ("cougar", "panther" etc aren't proper names) and not something to display in a featured article. Please also don't undo formatting made consistent throughout the article. Thanks.

I've taken the time and effort to contribute some copyediting to this article not only as it's become a featured article (despite the above) but also because it seems a good article content-wise. If some/most of that is due to your work, thanks!

Best wishes, David Kernow (talk) 01:50, 11 June 2007 (UTC)


 * David, I understand you dislike, but regardless, using all caps for species common names is as correct as not. See WP:BIRD for the logic. ?Thanks for your contributions, but I will continue restoring the capitalization. - UtherSRG (talk) 01:57, 11 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Not a dislike, simply standard grammar. I note none of the quotes included in the article capitalize the animals' names. Also, this kind of capitalization may be used in some biology/taxonomy textbooks, but please remember that Wikipedia is a general encyclopedia, not a textbook, read by many folk whose first language isn't English. I hope that you aren't simply reverting my edits, as sorting out this capitalization was not the only copyediting I contributed.
 * I fear those enthusiasts behind WP:BIRD may also have lost sight of Wikipedia's status as a general encyclopedia; surely if/when any specific distinctions need to be made, they can be made in the prose, not by non-standard grammar...? Yours, David (talk) 02:07, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
 * ...and, from further above, I begin to wonder whether there's a consensus for your approach. Something to consider now that Cougar has been made a featured article... David (talk) 02:10, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't want to get into a copy-edit war with you, but capitalizing common names of animals, whether cats of birds, is nonstandard and in my view, simply wrong. You're creating a problem that someone else will have to correct, if not me. WolfmanSF 02:53, 11 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Nope. - UtherSRG (talk) 09:53, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Barbary macaque
Hello UtherSRG, I am just curious as to why you reverted my edit without any justification whatsoever. See here. In my opinion your edit was impolite and could render others to contrue my edit as vandalism, which it certainly was not. The article Barbary macaque categorically falls into the Category:Environment of Gibraltar owning to the fact that there is a population of Barbary macaques on the Rock, and are thus part of the the environment (that is to say, 'the external factors influencing the life and activities of people, plants, and animals'). If you note, Barbary macaque is also currently under the category of Fauna and Flora of Morocco, yet I see no removal of this. The fact that there is another article dealing specifically with the macaques on the rock is immaterial. Perhaps I may be wrong, but could you please enlighten me as to the basis of your actions. Chris Buttigiegtalk 20:43, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * On the contrary, Category:Fauna of Gibraltar is correct, whereas Category:Environment of Gibraltar is not. - UtherSRG (talk) 21:04, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Why is it incorrect? I am afraid I fail to understand. The definition of environment is as I as mentioned perfectably applicable to the context. Further to your mention of the Category:Fauna of Gibraltar, both categories are equally as acceptable as far as I can see. Chris Buttigiegtalk 21:25, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Because an article should be placed in the lowest category that should contain it. It would be incorrect to place it into two categories, when when category is a subcategory of another. - UtherSRG (talk) 21:28, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see. Sorry for that then. You could have been a bit more explicit though. Chris Buttigiegtalk 21:32, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem. - UtherSRG (talk) 09:53, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

ULL
Just so you know, the user vandalizing ULL and Talk:ULL has done it many times before under many anynomous names and a few registered ones.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Nlu/archive36#ULL

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Nlu/archive38#ULL

Take this into consideration if you decide administrative action it required.--Viridistalk 00:53, 14 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I know. I block them as soon as they pop up. - UtherSRG (talk) 01:31, 14 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you.--Viridistalk 06:25, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Woolly Monkeys
the website of the monkey sanctuary has interesting information on these animas. Can you explain why you deleted the link? âThe preceding unsigned comment was added by Benny the wayfarer (talk â¢ contribs).
 * See WP:EL and WP:COI. - UtherSRG (talk) 09:53, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Hello, about the Siberian Lynx
I was wondering, is there a possibility to remove the separate article Siberian Lynx and somehow merge it with the Eurasian Lynx? I registered only recently so I don't know how to do it. I think that the debate issue wheter they are a separate sub-specie could be incorporated into Eurasian lynx article, although it is already mentioned in the Eurasian lynx article. Besides the same article assumes this is the same specie anyway. Regards.--No.13 22:34, 14 June 2007 (UTC)