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Us Versus Them (band)
A tag has been placed on Us Versus Them (band), requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article seems to be a biographical account about a person, group of people, or band, but it does not indicate how or why he/she/they is/are notable. If you can indicate why Us Versus Them (band) is really notable, I advise you to edit the article promptly, and also put a note on Talk:Us Versus Them (band). Any admin should check for such edits before deleting the article. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Please read our criteria for speedy deletion, particularly item 7 under Articles. You might also want to read our general biography criteria. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself. To contest the tagging and request that admins should wait a while for you to assert his/her/their notability, please affix the template  to the page, and then immediately add such an assertion. It is also a very good idea to add citations from reliable sources to ensure that your article will be verifiable.

Please review Wikipedia standards for bands and musicians. -- Fan-1967 22:38, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

'''Please note Us Versus Them has been around since 1999 and establishing itself in Boston and the rest of the world. Us Versus Them is a pending trademark and also a band establishing themselves first in the US and worldwide via Myspace. We have had over 35 thousand listens between Purevolume and Myspace and a growing fanbase.

Please do not delete.'''


 * Please review the standards at WP:MUSIC. Every 14-year-old who can play 3 chords has a myspace page, and friends who download his recordings, so that can't count. (The same people can download over and over, so download counts aren't reliable.) Any CD's from recognized labels? National tours? Reviews from notable publications? Songs in rotation on national networks? Those are what we look for. Fan-1967 22:49, 25 September 2006 (UTC)


 * To the author of Us Versus Them (band): Please do not place arguments about the merits of the article or ther subjects. These ought to be placed on the article's discussion page.  --Rrburke 00:33, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I take offense to the 14-year old remark - I've gone through 7 years of struggling, recording and pouring my heart into this. I taught myself to sing, play and record music. Is THAT NOT NOTABLE? I have a body of work of 12 albums. I have recorded an EP at Q Division that defies all genres. Hundreds and thousands of people have heard my music over the years with the full band now finally going out to the world and playing. My body of work can be held up to the highest standard, it spans genres and it's full of melody, instrumentation and heart and soul, blood sweat and tears. The work of a person determined to make a dream happen to show that following your heart rather than listening to mommy and daddy and becoming a doctor can be possible. People have been inspired by my works. over 20,000 people can't be wrong, they know of Us Versus Them. And word is spreading.

I'll cherish the day when you guys HAVE to put us up here. Maybe then we will fit your 'definition of being notable'

Us Versus Them has released albums on MP3.com with moderate success. UVT has released an EP recorded at Q Division Records, though, not signed yet, we have been reviewed (a damn good review might I add) by The Noise (Boston webzine) and we have been played on 'late night emissions' on 104.1 WBCN, probably the most popular and biggest rock station in Boston. We have been featured on the front page of Purevolume.com.

ALSO we have played Middle East, TT The Bears, Skybar, Paradise Lounge... will play Great Scotts, open for Diamond Nights, played Club Passim, I have played numerous places in Western Mass, UMass Amherst. And I just formed the band. HOWEVER...please see below...because even though 'fame' is subjective...I have created 12 albums spanning genres and emotions that I feel will contribute to the world. The message is simple, follow your heart because only you have the answers. Inspiration for the youth and old alike, a new kind of struggle...one for good, one for a better change. That's US VERSUS THEM.

We have just begun now to fully promote the Us Versus Them machine and the wheels are in motion. Determination, ambition and the EXTENSIVE body of work that I have poured my blood sweat and tears in must be recognized and WILL BE recognized. I will fight until the end to have the world know we, I, Us Versus Them exists. -Matt Romero


 * Hi, Matt. A useful piece of advice when an article you've written is proposed for deletion is not to take it personally, but rather to use it as an opportunity to improve the article.  I'd suggest you review in detail the notability guidelines for musical groups and craft your article accordingly.  You're obviously passionate about your band, and that's great, but Wikipedia editors have to apply dispassionately a commonly agreed-upon set of criteria in deciding whether an article merits inclusion -- and since you're a Wikipedia editor, that includes you.


 * It doesn't seen unreasonable to me that if you want to put an article on Wikipedia, you have agree to be bound by the rules that govern Wikipedia, and those rules have been hashed out over a long period of time by people who expended considerable effort coming up with them.


 * A few of the basic rules are available in an article called What Wikipedia is not. Consider especially the section Wikipedia is not a soapbox, which explains that Wikipedia does not exist as a vehicle for advertising or promotion, and Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, which means among other things that to merit inclusion, a subject must be notable now, not merely be likely to be notable in the future.


 * As for having taught yourself music, of course that's impressive -- but no, to answer your question, it's not in itself notable in the limited sense in which the word is used here, where it means "deserving of having an encyclopedia entry devoted to it."


 * Please consider reviewing also the policies on Autobiography, Neutral point of view, verifiability and citing sources. Adhering to those guidlines will improve your article's likelihood of retention.  There's also a host of information available at the Welcome page.


 * Good luck editing your article. --Rrburke 04:00, 26 September 2006 (UTC)


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