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Sorry, but Prince is not Sami...
Hi Uyvsdi - I saw your addition in the Sami people page regarding Prince as being Sami. The source that Baiki got that from was later to be found as a hoax and they will be printing a retraction in their Spring, 2009 issue. Just to let you know that that what I did was a friendly edit and that Baiki is normally a good source. Good try anyway. Take Care... Dinkytown (talk) 02:28, 3 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi Uyvsdi - I actually know the Baiki editors. You can contact them regarding the issue and they will tell you how it happened (long story).  They know about this discussion already on wiki (I talked to them today), you can contact them via their email on baiki.org.  Tell them that dinkytown (ME:"Chris") sent you, they know who I am.  They will thank you for your citation of them - take care...  Dinkytown (talk) 07:01, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Names listed on Federally recognized tribes
Uyvsdi, just as an FYI, the names listed are per the most current Federal Register names. Please do not change the names listed unless the names on the Federal Register changes. Also, instead of providing a direct link from the page itself, please instead provide a redirect from the link provided on the page, as this would aid in quick update of the page when a new edition of the "Indian Entities Recognized and Eligible To Receive Services From the United States Bureau of Indian Affairs" is published in the Federal Register. Thank you for identifying articles that needed linking, I have gone ahead and created redirects to the appropriate articles. CJLippert (talk) 18:43, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

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Juanita Growing Thunder Fogarty
Hi, looks like the article is long enough to qualify (although a little more would be a good idea to be on the safe side). Have you gotten a new article onto Template:Did you know before? If not, let me know if you'd like help writing a hook. Best regards, Durova Charge! 04:47, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I've done it a few dozen times, so let me know if you'd like a hand writing the hook. Another thing that helps if it's possible is to get a free licensed photograph.  They can't run fair use material on the main page, but if something's in the public domain or under copyleft license that would work.  Best wishes,  Durova Charge! 05:01, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Native American art
Notice the red link above? That's right, Wikipedia has no overview of this topic. I've been thinking about this for some time, and have started working on one at User:Lithoderm/Native American art. It's a vast subject, so I am currently looking for people to collaborate with on this. I noticed your contribution of Ledger Art... any interest in this project?  Litho  derm  01:37, 27 February 2009 (UTC)


 * It has now been moved into the main article space. The last time I tried to collaborate upon an article within my own userspace, I found that people were reluctant to edit it... User talk:Madman2001 will also be helping, and I'll ask the Indigenous Peoples of North America Wikiproject as well.  Litho  derm  04:48, 28 February 2009 (UTC)


 * My main interest is in contemporary Inuit art, or at least that's where I started. From there my interests expanded to the Northwest coast, and generally southward... I started writing short articles on Inuit artists like Osuitok Ipeelee, then moved up to User:Lithoderm/Inuit culture (a project which is sadly abandoned because of shaky dates and the bewildering issues of archaeology...) With the Inuit culture project I learned that people are generally shy about working on pages in your article space, and that you generally get two or more simultaneous versions which it is difficult to reconcile. It's better if we have one "work in progress" that everyone can add to, after tinkering with it in their user space. Yeah, there are a lot more uncertain articles than this out there on the wiki. It also adds some motivation to work quickly; lest anyone see the half-finished article... I've notified lots of wikiprojects, so hopefully we should have plenty contributors. Madman should be able to take care of Mesoamerica, and it looks like two others have already descended on the article. The "intermediate area" (the term used by  Rebecca Stone-Miller (2002), consists of Central America and the Caribbean- Nicaragua, Panama, Costa Rica, etc. Relatively little scholarship has been done on it. Thanks,  Litho  derm  20:39, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Mississippian
Why do you consider the comparison of the tehcnology of the Mississippian culture to that of copper age Europe questionable? 01:17, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Iowa Tribe of Oklahoma
Shubinator (talk) 05:35, 3 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the DYK! We can always use more nominations! Shubinator (talk) 01:22, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Augustine Band of Cahuilla Indians
Thanks for the update! -Uyvsdi (talk) 16:58, 4 March 2009 (UTC)Uyvsdi

Inuit culture
...has been moved. Please feel free to expand it. It also needs reformatting, which I suppose you can take care of handily. Petropoxy (Lithoderm Proxy) (talk) 17:33, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Re: Chilkat weaving
Nice article! Just ran across it in the DYK queue, and it's always nice to see an Alaska Native article. JKBrooks85 (talk) 03:01, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Chilkat weaving
--Dravecky (talk) 02:25, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much! -Uyvsdi (talk) 03:09, 25 March 2009 (UTC)Uyvsdi

Jimmie Durham
Hiya - On another user's talk page you wrote "Jimmie Durham, among other famous non-Indians" - do you just mean unenrolled Indians, or is there evidence that Durham pulled a Forrest Carter? AFAIK, Durham's more genetically and culturally Cherokee than half the enrolled artists working out there, and his case represents everything that's wrong with the IACA. Am I wrong? Vizjim (talk) 07:36, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks - I knew he and Churchill were close but didn't realise it was that way as well. I'm not really so knowledgeable about Indian artists.  Shame: I still like Durham's book enormously.  Vizjim (talk) 19:58, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

He is listed in Lester's which is good enough for me. Amerindianarts (talk) 14:37, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

I should say, "good enough for me" as a dealer. But as far as WIki and criteria for inclusion there has to be some rules. Otherwise it is a slippery slope. Amerindianarts (talk) 14:41, 2 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Lester's lists Yeffe Kimball as being Indian. I appreciate that many people of Indian descent are not eligible for enrollment (low blood quantum, lack of residency on tribal lands, ancestors on wrong rolls, etc.), but there are people out there with absolutely no Indian blood or heritage, including people listed in Lester's. -Uyvsdi (talk) 15:23, 2 April 2009 (UTC)Uyvsdi


 * "absolutely no Indian blood or heritage, including people listed in Lester's". Can you back this up with names, examples? Amerindianarts (talk) 16:24, 2 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, the person I just mentioned Yeffe Kimball. -Uyvsdi (talk) 17:31, 2 April 2009 (UTC)Uyvsdi

Is that it? Maybe she was not enrolled but she was half Osage. I thought you said there were non-natives in Lester's? Lester edited Snodgrass (1968) and challenges tribal affiliations for some. If you want to discredit Lester for listing "people out there with absolutely no Indian blood or heritage" you are going have to do much better than that. Amerindianarts (talk) 18:49, 2 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeffe Kimball is not native at all. For a scholarly work exploring her deliberate creation of a faux Osage identity, read Chapter 5: "Becoming Indian: The Self-Invention of Yeffe Kimball" in Bill Anthes and Nicholas Thomas' Native Moderns: American Indian Painting, 1940-1960, ISBN 978-0822338666. I first heard about her from two Osage artists, who thought it was pretty hysterical that someone would try to pass as one of them.


 * I'm not discrediting Lester - I own a copy of his book. No one is infallible and there are errors in his book, which, considering the colossal amount of data he is dealing with, should come as no surprise to anyone. -Uyvsdi (talk) 21:45, 2 April 2009 (UTC)Uyvsdi

I read your comments on another user's page about Jimmie Durham. He is in Lester too, at least the name Jimmie Durham, but not much else. That is a strange case. You said the 1990 IACA was written basically for him? The Lester listing has little info. No birth date, place, etc. There is nothing else prior to 1991 and a reference to an exhibit at CSU in Edmond OK. So, we have this artist who mysteriously appears in the art world at the age of 51? By all other accounts there is not much on him prior to 1992 either. Wiki article mentions exhibiting in 1965, but in regard to the art world there is really nothing. Do you know more? Is there more than one Jimmie Durham? Did he really not gain notoriety until after the Act? Why no art references prior to the act? Amerindianarts (talk) 23:10, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Jimmie Durham is an incredibly famous artist from Arkansas. He studied art in Switzerland and has had shows all over the world including a recent Biennale of Sydney. Check out any art survey books of late 20th century American artists.

Those two articles
I've done my best to maintain a true neutral point of view on those two articles. The Mankiller was the more blatant, as the primary source used for the accusations didn't fit our standards for claims about living people. The Corntassel article was a little peacocky in spots and attackish in others, so I trimmed it as needed and asked for a couple of cites. -- Inali  &#x007C;   Talk  13:17, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Gvlieliga. -- Inali  &#x007C;   Talk  16:21, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Cherokee
Apologies for using rollback on your edit. I must have pressed it by accident on my watchlist. I didn't even know I'd done it until I saw your revert. Thanks for catching it and sorting it out. Regards,  Ryan Postlethwaite See the mess I've created or let's have banter 21:39, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No worries. "cobin king" might in fact be a "stud", but the information was unreferenced :) -Uyvsdi (talk) 21:44, 13 April 2009 (UTC)Uyvsdi

Cherokee article, October 21 revision, "removing superfluous links as per request"...what was the request? I can't find any listed anywhere.Odestiny (talk) 16:40, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * On Oct. 19, User:Thumperward placed the template: "This article's external links may not follow Wikipedia's content policies or guidelines. Please improve this article by removing excessive or inappropriate external links." -Uyvsdi (talk) 18:49, 23 October 2009 (UTC)Uyvsdi
 * Thank you. Appreciated.Odestiny (talk) 21:46, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

James D. Hutton
Could you please take a look at the Native American materials in James D. Hutton and make sure I haven't said anything stupid? (Is "nations" correct in this context?) Thanks. - PKM (talk) 19:51, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I never heard of him until a couple of days ago either, although I knew the work of his brother William Rich Hutton. - PKM (talk) 02:39, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

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