User talk:Uyvsdi/Archive 2

DYK for Ribbon work

 * You're welcome!!! - PKM (talk) 16:23, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Native American pottery

 * California Indian pottery
 * Haakú Museum - Acoma
 * contemporary article

Re Sherwood Valley Rancheria of Pomo Indians of California
Hi - I wanted to ask a question above the above article. Someone posted on the Help Desk that the county stated in the article was Sonoma County when Sherwood Valley is located in Mendocino County, California. When I went to look at the article, I found the link points to Mendocino, but is piped to say Sonoma County. I have zero very little knowledge of the subject area, but I guessed that this might be for historical reasons, as the Mendocino county article says it used to be under the administration of Sonomo county? I was wondering if it would be useful to add something to this effect, but I'm not too confident my guess is correct! -- Kateshort forbob  22:06, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Hello, thanks for pointing that out. You are absolutely correct. The tribe is currently located in Mendocino County, and ironically the link even pointed there but said "Sonoma". I just corrected the link. Cheers! -Uyvsdi (talk) 15:05, 14 June 2009 (UTC)Uyvsdi
 * Awesome - thanks for taking a look at it! -- Kateshort forbob  10:17, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Cherokee Nation

 * See Talk:Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 13:27, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

DYK for J. B. Milam
Uyvsdi yes this is not always easy Native communities are small but we do have note worthy people in our community. How do you upload images. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Otonyona (talk • contribs) 19:13, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

First Nations art
Hello, thanks for your comments. I will probably pick up more books on Pacific Northwest art in the future and contribute the information there into the appropriate articles. Cheers. ~ AMorozov (talk) 05:27, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Cheers
I raise a drink in your general direction. Oh, and compliments on the awesome work you're doing on that article, by the way - wish I could get it together to be of assistance. Vizjim (talk) 11:42, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Institute of American Indian Arts
I just checked and it looks like you got in before me. I reverted your original revision to get rid of the disparaging comments but was coming over to get your help making sure the correct stuff got in. Was about to go looking for the pre vandalism copy when I saw you had already finished it :) Jamesofur (talk) 01:05, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I should have looked to see what the previous edit involved before I reverted – yikes! Glad you caught it.-Uyvsdi (talk) 01:06, 4 August 2009 (UTC)Uyvsdi

awsome
awesome on Tahlequah, Oklahoma and Cherokee spelling. I tried my best, but don't know the language at all. Two requests...I've added a few articles to Needs Cherokee script... maybe you can do something there as well. Second question of personal interest: What's the first word on this picture? (it's what I used)

Seb az86556 (talk) 18:12, 16 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, those templates are standard, I didn't make them...I guess it's meant to ask for simply "Cherokee", but I could raise that somewhere... What should it say? Seb az86556 (talk) 18:22, 16 August 2009 (UTC)


 * OK, I changed it... does [this] make more sense? Seb az86556 (talk) 18:34, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Nadaco

 * You're welcome, Uyvsdi. Please be encouraged to self-nominate your next good wikicontribution for DYK.  Happy editing.  Cheers! --PFHLai (talk) 02:12, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Zemi
Once again you've popped up on my watchlist! I'd seen that page nominated for merging with Taíno and and thought of doing something about it, but what with school and all I have so little time. Anyhow, nice work and glad to see you're still around. I'll look around on Flickr for a free image of a Zemi...  Litho  derm  05:18, 20 September 2009 (UTC)


 * No credit necessary for the drawing. You can remove my username. ~ RayLast  « Talk! » 06:10, 20 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Done.  Litho  derm  07:49, 20 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for taking care of that. Eventually I will get back to adding more media to Native American art; writing brief overviews of wide-ranging topics is challenging though. Hope your semester is going well! -Uyvsdi (talk) 17:12, 20 September 2009 (UTC)Uyvsdi
 * This set has a ton of Taino artifacts if you browse through it. This one is particularly nice, and I've found this user willing in the past to change the licenses when need be (for Transformation mask). This is the best shot of a three-pointer I could find, but it's still an odd angle. See what you think, and I'll contact the user of whichever one we agree would be best. Cheers,  Litho  derm  04:17, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for doing that research! The second one is fantastic. I have information about it in the book Taíno. If you could get permission to use the photo, that would be awesome! Best, Uyvsdi (talk) 04:24, 22 September 2009 (UTC)Uyvsdi
 * BTW I have tons of museum pics of Native American art (most North American but some South America) from this summer that I'll eventually add to commons, so let me know if there's anything in particular you need down the road. Uyvsdi (talk) 04:27, 22 September 2009 (UTC)Uyvsdi
 * That would be great. I've messaged the Flickr user.  Litho  derm  11:42, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism at Spiro Mounds by 75.57.173.150
Hi Uyvsdi! Thanks for reverting the vandalism done by 75.57.173.150 at Spiro Mounds. However, his/her last warning, just a few minutes before, was a Level 3 warning, Uw-vandalism3. Thus, you should have applied a Level 4 warning, Uw-vandalism4. By not applying the correct level, you permit a vandalizing editor four more malicious edits before any recent changes patrollers, like yourself, can file a report at WP:AIV. Would you please consider deleting your Level 1 warning and replacing it with Uw-vandalism4? Thanks! — SpikeToronto (talk) 04:58, 7 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Not necessary. I found enough of his/her other vandalizing edits to make up the difference. But, just remember in future to escalate up one warning Level from the previous warning if the previous warning is recent. Thanks! — SpikeToronto (talk) 05:04, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, fair enough. Thanks for the info about protocol. Cheers, Uyvsdi (talk) 05:13, 7 October 2009 (UTC)Uyvsdi


 * Vandalism at Spiro Mounds? Who ever heard of such a thing? Talk about depressingly familiar... -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  19:53, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Hello
Ok no problem here.... what ever you think is best...Great job on Native American art!!

Misunderstanding
Sorry if I was unclear; what I was trying to say is that if this is notable, then we need to stop piping it to the college and create an article about the style itself instead. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  19:52, 6 November 2009 (UTC) (Inali)
 * Now that's what I'm talking about! Excellent work! -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  20:12, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

John Hoover (Aleut) b. 1919
No Wikipage yet, but a fine PD photo of one of his sculptures is available at http://clinton4.nara.gov/WH/Tours/Garden_Exhibit6/hoover.html

--along with some others from a White House exhibit in the Clinton years. I recently posted that Willard Stone sculpture to his page. Stone was one of my Mom's favorites -- we always enjoyed seeing the Stone collection at the Gilcrease, and elsewhere around OK. Unfortunately, I didn't inherit her one Stone original.

Actually, I'm not sure what the copyright status would be of a US govt photo of a sculpture by a living artist -- deceased would be OK, I think. Do you know those rules?

Best, Pete Tillman (talk) 05:31, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Harrison Begay
Heh, I see he was on your to-do list too. A long-time favorite of mine & my family -- I was inspired by seeing his student work at the very fine current Wheelwright show, which you should try to get to -- runs well into 2010, ims. Catalog is a must-buy if you like the Dorothy Dunn studio style.

Anyway, if you would like to add the bells & whistles, go for it -- I'm very rusty on infoboxes and project banners, but I think I got the basics. Interesting that he had a silkscreen print business with Gerald Nailor, Sr.. A pleasant surprise that he's still working, or was recently anyway. At 95, he should be able to take a break...

Sad news re Michael Kabotie. I had a nice visit with him last year, after he gave a talk to the NAU group in Sedona. A nice man and a very talented artist. Makes you think. I didn't get a flu shot before they ran out, either... Best, Pete Tillman (talk) 06:05, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I did see the Wheelwright show and it was good - the "Be Kind to Animals" painting was my favorite. I never knew Michael Kabotie - just saw him briefly last year at the Heard. For project banners, you might just cut-and-paste from relevant articles' talk pages. I usually try to at least get the { { North Am Native } } (sans spaces) template up. Took a photo of the John Hoover sculpture today. Cheers, -Uyvsdi (talk) 00:25, 20 November 2009 (UTC)Uyvsdi

RE: Spoke card
Heya, no problem :) I'm not an admin either so the best thing you can do to a repeat vandal is just escalate the warnings until they get blocked. Happy vandal hunting! Smokizzy (talk) 06:12, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks mucho. Maybe the guy finally got bored and found something else to do. Cheers, Uyvsdi (talk) 18:19, 23 November 2009 (UTC)Uyvsdi

Your improvements to Klamath Tribes
Hi, I don't think we've talked before, but your name sure comes up a lot on my watchlist! I've done a somewhat adequate job of improving the content on Indian tribes in Oregon and it's nice to see someone else working in the same area. I have lots of plans and a short attention span, so I tend to work intensely in this area for a while then not work on it again for a long time. Anyway, thanks for your work on Klamath Tribes. One of my earliest (and strangest) confrontations on Wikipedia was over the water rights dispute (as seen on the talk page). Feelings certainly run high over this issue and the contributions to the topic have pretty much been slanted to one POV or another. I knew that to do it justice, I would have to spend a lot of time working on it, so I never got started. I also always thought that the topic was worthy of its own article. What do you think? I haven't followed the recent developments--is it still timely enough that a separate article is necessary? There's been some excellent work on Klamath River, Klamath Basin, etc. by a rivers enthusiast that includes some of the story. I'm just never sure where the best place to cover the water rights topic is, hence the idea that it be a separate article. It seems to overlap so many different areas, literally and figuratively. Cheers! Katr67 (talk) 21:01, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Hola! Thanks for providing information about contemporary tribes - there's not enough about living Indians on Wikipedia. Regarding the Klamath water dispute, I just felt really bad because I had deleted a previous user's narrative about the water dispute as it was POV and uncited – although most likely 100% accurate – so I felt I should provide fairly neutral information about the dispute (dates, names of court cases). I'm not from the area so only have superficial knowledge of the dispute. I deleted the redlink, since the article didn't exist, but I'll restore it to encourage its creation. Cheers, -Uyvsdi (talk) 21:16, 25 November 2009 (UTC)Uyvsdi

Cahuilla
Hi Uyvsdi,

Nice to make your acquaintance, I have run across your username quite a bit :) I'll be happy to see what I can add to Cahuilla language. Cheers, babbage (talk) 21:45, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much - specially the language codes... I know it's "chl" now, but don't know if that works for all three numbers. Cheers, -Uyvsdi (talk) 22:06, 14 December 2009 (UTC)Uyvsdi

Match-e-be-nash-she-wish Band of Pottawatomi Indians of Michigan
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 * Information was primarily gleaned from the tribal website but I didn't use a single sentence from the site's text. -Uyvsdi (talk) 22:29, 18 December 2009 (UTC)Uyvsdi

IP edits to Indian reservation
Hi! This afternoon, an acquaintance of mine noticed vandalism within a Wikipedia article -- Indian reservation -- and, knowing that I was an experienced Wikipedia editor, asked me what she should do. I said that she should correct the vandalism she saw, which she did, in two edits: here and here. A short time later, I came along, looked through the article history, and restored an older, pre-vandalized version of the intro paragraph -- this edit.

As you can see from her edits, they were clearly done in good faith. However, the notice you left at her IP surprised her, as she was only attempting to fix what she thought was vandalism. This message has the potential to give her the impression that attempting to make small, good-faith corrections is something that will result in harsh warnings from other editors. I'm sure she'd appreciate an apology for the harsh message that was left on her IP talk page. It reflects well on Wikipedia and the Wikipedia community when we recognize and actively try to correct our mistakes. Thanks! -- Sethant (talk) 03:11, 4 January 2010 (UTC)


 * So sorry, you are correct. The "crazy whitches" vandal was working from two IP addresses and I accidently sent the warning to the user correcting the article. I have left an apology and explanation on her talk page. Thank you for pointing out my mistake. -Uyvsdi (talk) 05:49, 4 January 2010 (UTC)Uyvsdi
 * Thanks so much! :) -- Sethant (talk) 00:40, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Black Indians Photo
Hi Uyvsdi. I wanted to say thank you for finding more information on the Black Indians photo I put up. How did you find that? I couldn't find it when I was trying to find if there was something on it only thing I could find was what instituition was holding the picture.Mcelite (talk) 03:11, 5 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Things looks more complex than I thought. The image is in several archives but the Denver Public Library (Western History Collection, X-30541) has completely different information about the image than the Oklahoma Historical Society has. There doesn't seem to be a stable URL, but you can go here and enter "Chapman Cheyenne" and this photograph will be the second image to show up.


 * I can't distinguish 19th century Ute and Cheyenne beadwork and clothing by sight, but I can take this image to people more knowledgeable to find out which caption is more likely to be correct. -Uyvsdi (talk) 04:59, 5 January 2010 (UTC)Uyvsdi


 * If it's not an inconvience for you I would like it if you could possibly find more on the photo. When I first found the photo the Denver Public Library was the only source popping up that didn't copy the picture. So this is something that is quite interesting.Mcelite (talk) 22:15, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Just heard back from my friend who belongs to Southern Plains tribes but grew up on a Great Basin reservation: "Just looked at the pic on my bb and those women have cheyenne mocs on. That is NOT ute beadwork. Also, I'm not positive, but I don't think utes ever wore drops from their belts w/studs like that. I'd say they were cheyennes. I'll show the pic to my mom w/the captions to double check." Very interesting! Cheers, -Uyvsdi (talk) 22:58, 14 January 2010 (UTC)Uyvsdi
 * That is quite interesting.Mcelite (talk) 22:23, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

photo captions
Hi, when you upload images to commons - and I know it's more work - please add details like what event, where, when, etc. This helps gives context for others on finding and using images. -- Banj e b oi   19:50, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * While I want to provide images of living Native peoples for use on Wikipedia, I also want to maintain some sense of privacy for the individuals in the photographs. For instance I didn't list the names of any children in the photographs I uploaded, nor will I. -Uyvsdi (talk) 21:09, 18 January 2010 (UTC)Uyvsdi

???
This week must be "Promote Yourself on Wikipedia Week" - it's amazing how many people have been adding themselves to articles recently. -Uyvsdi (talk) 01:43, 22 January 2010 (UTC)Uyvsdi
 * If I'm not mistaken, this is exactly what you've done by adding this image, along with the caption "Kevin Pourier is an Oglala Lakota jeweler and sculptor whose medium is buffalo horn". No offense, but "Kevin Pourier" (I assume that's you because the photo is listed as your own work) is not notable, and the caption reads like shameless self-promotion.  Please consider removing your personal details and replacing it with generic info relevant to the articles in which it appears (i.e., "Oglala Lakota male", etc.).  Thanks.  Bueller 007 (talk) 05:26, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * That's too funny. No, I'm not Kevin Pourier, though flattered that you think so. Since I took the photograph, the photo is my work. Listing the media he works in is hardly promotional; however, Pourier is notable - Just google him - he's widely collected by museums and widely written about. His photo illustrates a unique contemporary Oglala Lakota individual, as opposed to an "Oglala Lakota male," which sounds more like a police profile. -Uyvsdi (talk) 05:31, 25 January 2010 (UTC)Uyvsdi


 * Heh. I suppose KP is on your "to-do" list? I bought my wife a pair of his inlaid buff-horn earrings a couple of IMarkets back and they were *very* well-received. I could even try photographing them for the article. Nice guy, fabulous work.


 * I should really bring the camera to IMarket next year. If I can remember to charge the batteries the night before.... Best, Pete Tillman (talk) 17:33, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Wakash Indians
Maybe I should just raise this at NorthAmNative but I see you've been doing a lot of assessing for that WP and thought I'd field it to you; someone just removed the 2006-vintage cleanup tag from it but it needs something more than cleanup; it needs either deletion or some kind of merge/redirection...but to where? To Wakashan languages maybe, I guess. As you know the Catholic Encyclopedia is scarcely a modern source and many of its definitions are passe - this being one of them. While there is a Coast Salish peoples article, vs. Coast Salish languages, that's because there is some kind of commonality between Coast Salish peoples; that's not so much teh case here, other than linguistically (components being Makah, Nuu-chah-nulth/Ditidaht, Kwakwaka'wakw, Wuikinuxv/Oweekeno, Heiltsuk and Haisla). anyway jsut field this for your thoughts; as I recall, I think, you're a linguist so maybe you have some thoughts on how to deal with this; it may be as simple as turning this title into a redirect ot Wakashan languages; other than that it's just out-of-date.....as is, for example, the use of the term "Cowidgin" (Cowichan today) to refer to the Sto:lo and Skwxwu7mesh et al (i.e. any Salish group around the Gulf of Georgia/Puget Sound) or "Kwakiutl" to refer to the Kwakwaka'wakw (even though that's still the name for htem in other languages....so far).....btw on an inside front cover of a certain book on BC history vintage about 1958 there was an historical map which labelled Vancouver Island as "Wakish Nation".....Skookum1 (talk) 01:23, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not a linguist but I know User:Babbage is. I agree that it makes sense to turn it into a redirect for Wakashan languages. It's misleading to have an article about a language family titled "Wakash Indians", none of the information is very valuable, and it barely gets read twice a day. -Uyvsdi (talk) 20:16, 31 January 2010 (UTC)Uyvsdi

Requests for comment
I saw your post on the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America‎, and I read the discussion. I think it might be useful to get a few views or comments from editors outside the project! Anyway, I was thinking you could make a listing on Requests for comment. Cheers,  on camera (t)  19:49, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Fair Use stuff
Thanks for the star, & the kind words.

I've had mixed luck with posting FU stuff. So far, the Amerind art hasn't drawn any real flak, so maybe I'll do some more. It is nice to get illos into more articles. Cheers, Pete Tillman (talk) 00:15, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Especially the artists that most people aren't already familiar with - I was amazed you found an image for Stanford Plummer! Cheers, -Uyvsdi (talk) 00:51, 9 February 2010 (UTC)Uyvsdi

Re: Fernando de Alva Cortés Ixtlilxochitl
I provided a reference. It is a link to an Appletons' article in Wikisource. Look under the "no footnotes" notice in the Notes section. Some of it also looks like it comes out of the Catholic Encyclopedia article, but I'm not going to deal with that for now. Bob Burkhardt (talk) 19:06, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks so much for doing that! It definitely improves the article. Cheers, -Uyvsdi (talk) 19:38, 19 February 2010 (UTC)Uyvsdi

The Choctaw Nation of Florida
If the article happens to pass its AFD as a keep, I've tried to collect the actual possibly usable info about this group and write up what I can from it. It is here User:Heironymous Rowe/The Choctaw Nation of Florida. I would appreciate a look see at the article if you could, and feel free to edit out or in what you feel appropriate, as you have more experience working with articles on modern groups. Thanks a bunch, Heironymous Rowe (talk) 00:25, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I can't imagine that it would be kept, especially considering the Native American Journalists Association article was previously deleted. But if it does, I can help try to find verifiable info as well. Cheers, -Uyvsdi (talk) 00:29, 3 March 2010 (UTC)Uyvsdi
 * Me either, but you never know. As I said the page is there, I've included what we know for sure, feel free to edit if ya wanna. I'm done, and wish the whole mess was ova. Heironymous Rowe (talk)

France Winddance Twine
Please note that I added Professor Twine again to this list. I also added this fact to her wikipedia page article. Further verification can be made by viewing her CV which can be found in the link to her UCSB page.Canticle (talk) 08:20, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

France Winddance Twine Article
Just a note to thank you for your assist with the proper referencing of Professor Twine's membership in the Creek Nation. I am in correspondence with her and she also wishes to express her appreciation.Canticle (talk) 01:57, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem. I hope she is doing well. Cheers, Uyvsdi (talk) 07:35, 23 May 2010 (UTC)Uyvsdi

Greenland
Thanks for help on pages about Greenland

adopting orphans
Hi Uyvsdi, nice work on Lotsee Patterson, I was wondering if you were aware of WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America/Unreferenced BLPs? PS I noticed you do some vandalism reversion, if you'd like Rollback just have a read of WP:Rollback and confirm when you would and wouldn't use it.  Ϣere Spiel  Chequers  11:14, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi WereSpielChequers, thanks for the suggestions! I actually wasn't award of the unreferenced BLP list and can help with that. Cheers, -Uyvsdi (talk) 16:35, 2 June 2010 (UTC)Uyvsdi

Rollback
I have granted rollback rights to your account; the reason for this is that after a review of some of your contributions, I believe you can be trusted to use rollback correctly, and for its intended usage of reverting vandalism, and that you will not abuse it by reverting good-faith edits or to revert-war. For information on rollback, see New admin school/Rollback and Rollback feature. If you do not want rollback, just let me know, and I'll remove it. Good luck and thanks.   A rbitrarily 0   ( talk ) 16:39, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much for speedy response, and happy editing! Cheers, Uyvsdi (talk) 16:49, 2 June 2010 (UTC)Uyvsdi

Jerome Tiger illustration
Say, we're trying to get the Tiger article listed on the Main Page under "Do You Know," which would vastly increase its viewership. I notice you added the illustration, whose copyright status is questionable. There's a discussion underway here and any ideas or thoughts would be appreciated. ScottyBerg (talk) 14:20, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * See response on my talk page.  — Rlevse • Talk  • 18:33, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Cherokee Casino in Roland
You rock! Thanks so much for helping me. I'm brand new at this and had no idea what I was doing even though I had read a seemingly endless number of guidelines. I would like to get articles started on Oklahoma's Indian-owned casinos because most of them are first-rate enterprises. Should I try again to start an article for the next one on the list? Or should I leave it alone? I don't have a ton of information on most of them, but the Oklahoma Tourism site (travelok.com) does have some pretty good information on the larger ones and some of our top tier casinos like the Cherokee-owned Hard Rock Hotel & Casino in Catoosa or the Chickasaw-owned Winstar Casino (3rd largest in North America) aren't even on the Wikipedia list of Oklahoma casinos yet. I'm happy to do legwork and use the article you cleaned up for me as a guideline if you think it is useful. But if folks are going to get up in arms and delete them faster than I can start them, I'll focus on other areas.Jkalkman (talk) 13:36, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Lemhi Shoshone
I noticed on your user page that you wrote a lot of articles on different tribes and bands. There are no articles on Sacagawea's band the Lehmi Shoshone. They were forced to give up their reservation in Salmon,Idaho and move south to the Fort Hall Reservation. The tribal chairman said they are "the Indian's Indian". I read about it in a Native American newspaper when I stopped at Ft. Hall. Here is there website. http://www.lemhi-shoshone.com/ 7mike5000 (talk) 00:20, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I can probably start an article, then you can add info. -Uyvsdi (talk) 19:16, 13 June 2010 (UTC)Uyvsdi