User talk:VMacisBack

McElroy Gang
I have added a "" template to the article McElroy Gang, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the  notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. ~a (user • talk • contribs) 03:45, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
 * That's the third time this page has been deleted -- please calm down and discuss things with other users. You're free to make a request at deletion review if you feel the deletion is inappropriate. – Luna Santin  (talk) 07:27, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

The problem is that I keep trying to update the page with more credible sources, yet while I'm editing the page with more credible sources, the Wikipedia officials keep deleting it. I fail to see how allowing this page to exist in its draft states is detrimental to the overall credibility of Wikipedia. I have listed in the talk pages several times that the organization is continuing to work on making the article more reliable. Moreover, if the article as as inconsequential as the editors insinuate, then it is unlikely that the article will be seriously referenced until the article is complete. The McElroy Gang organization firmly believes that Wikipedia is an amazing and innovative breakthrough in the way knowledge is shared and as of right now, the organization also believes that this editing and drafting process is fulfilling the purpose of Wikipedia by facilitating an environment for the members of the organization to share information that can later be referenced to the public. That being said, I would like to ask the Wikipedia organizations officials to please bear with us during this drafting process.


 * If you want to draft an article, try putting it outside of the main namespace. Try putting it over here:  User:VMacisBack/McElroy Gang.  Then it won't get deleted and it will be able to "exist in its draft states" as you put it.  Once it's sufficiently sourced, then you can just move it back to the main namespace.  ~a (user • talk • contribs) 08:01, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I find this assault against the McElroy Gang's article to be uncalled for. I thought the Wikipedia organization would be open-minded enough to understand the history being made on this website, but evidently this is not the case. VMacisBack 08:24, 1 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Don't take it personally. There is no assault going on here.  You didn't find my suggestion helpful?  ~a (user • talk • contribs) 09:04, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

McElroy Gang
Hi. If you want this article to remain here, I would suggest that you do one of two things:

1. Provide sources (either in the article or on the Talk page) establishing the notability of the group. 2. Write the article on your own userpage. This way, you'll be able to add sources as you go. Once it's all sourced and so on, you can then move it to an article page. If you have questions about that, please leave a comment on my Talk page. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 08:02, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

You wrote on Talk:McElroy Gang that "Due to its selectivity and secrecy, it has previously been undocumented. Recently the gangs members voted in their periodic CFC that a Wikipedia page be made in an effort to make the public aware of the gang's existence." Wikipedia is not for documenting the previously undocumented. Wikipedia is not a free web page hosting service for organizations without any web presence, nor is it a publisher of first instance for original documentation of things that have never been documented before. The places for that are articles in journals and magazines, books, and your own web pages. Uncle G 12:57, 1 March 2007 (UTC)