User talk:VRobot

Indeed there are at last count, close to 1000 distributors in Ontario.....some with a strong web presence. I found it interesting too and did not oppose it. 'Till next time.....

Immunocal comment
Vrobot: I guess I spoke too soon. It is conceivable that someone else (an anonymous websurfewr, identifiable only by IP address) in your own home town could have a similar opinion and have decided to navigate to this page to voice that concern. I thought it was a little coincidental that the individual posted it in time for you to make a non-edit and claim concensus. Thanks for the compromise.... Petrosino 17:57, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Immunocal response
As for the "sock puppet" ..... you checked the IP .... the pot calling the kettle black. Funny how you would come to that conclusion (humm!) that I had posted the change when in fact, it was not me... although the timing was good!

You are missing the point. Your domain is a commercial one, it links directly to a replicated site. ammunotec.com is commercial. If you absolutely want to insert a reference, it must be from a "truly" non-commercial link.

Immunocal
You stated "Insults are not warranted". "Sock puppet" is not an insult, but states that when I checked the IP address of 70.53.22.138, it traces to you in Ontario Canada through Sympatico HSE. You entered the comment to have consensus with yourself. That is a little disingenuous.

You said "I do understand your quest to advertise, to draw traffic to your site...". Advertising only applies if someone can purchase goods or services. That cannot be done on the link I supplied. I removed all possibility of that due to your incessant objections that someone might navigate to some link that could benefit me. There are NO commercial links on the reference I supplied.

You are worried about getting benefit from someone in toronto who accesses the commercial website, I am concerned about correct attribution and a proper reference.

Concensus of Editors: There is concensus on Wikipedia that the reference is appropriate. 5 previous editors edited the article and let my reference stand. Although there were other Immunotec distributors (and checking the IP addresses of them, I see evidence of many of them possibly being sock puppets of you --ISP Bell Canada, Ontario Sympatico HSE) who inserted SPAM links to their own self replicating site. Wikipedia SPAM policy: "There are three types of wikispam: advertisements masquerading as articles, wide-scale external link spamming, and "Wikipedian-on-Wikipedian" spamming or, "canvassing" (also known as "internal spamming" and "cross-posting"). Articles considered advertisements include those that are solicitations for a business, product or service, or are public relations pieces designed to promote a company or individual. Wikispam articles are usually noted for sales-oriented language and external links to a commercial website. However, a differentiation should be made between spam articles and legitimate articles about commercial entities."

Regarding "solicitations for a business, product or service", there is no way for a visitor to purchase product on the link I provided. I challenge you to navigate anywhere that you can purchase product on the reference I supplied. Immunocal FAQ Even so, this is not an absolute requirement, since Microsoft has links the customer can purchase from, and "Theonine" has a link to Lipton.com, among many others.

The spam policy also states that to be SPAM the "...aim is to directly advertise their product....". You stated "Petrosino's reference is there to promote his website and sell product. It is clearly advertising." Advertising only works if the reader can buy. There is no purchasing link on the reference that I supplied.

Copyright violation:  Additionally, it is a "....suspected copyright violation, [if] the text is copied from another website.... Since the text is a verbatim lift from my website, it needs attribution (referencing) to avoid this. The SPAM policy also states: The References section is for references. A reference directs the reader to a work that the writer(s) referred to while writing the article. The References section of a Wikipedia article isn't just a list of related works; it is specifically the list of works used as sources. Therefore, it can never be correct to add a link or reference to References sections if nobody editing the text of the article has actually referred to it.

Since I was the original author of the article (created last May), I have the right to reference a non-commercial (i.e. nothing can be bought and sold) source I used to author the article. You are continuously re-inserting the Immunocal.com webpage is a reference, but I did NOT use that as a reference, and used my own work. Since you did not write any of the article, you do not have the right top substitute a reference that a previous editor did not use. The website only lists biographies of the researchers (which I referenced separately) and the US patents (which I directly linked to). The other 80% of the article is not supported by immunotec.com.

If you want to continue, I guess this will be a battle of the reverts.

Petrosino 17:00, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Immunocal Vrobot response
Petrosino: I do understand your quest to advertise, to draw traffic to your site. However, the idea with Immunotec's web policy is to level the playing field. If someone from Dublin, Ohio travels to the Immunotec site, the access is geo-referenced and assigned to the most appropriate replicated site. If someone from Toronto accesses Immunotec's site, again, it is assigned the most appropriate replicated site.

Wikipedia is not an advertising forum. Getting the product Immunocal known is a good thing, however, the information should not be linked 'at all' to commercial sites. Hope this helps understand my point of view (and that of many others I'm sure).

Immunocal Vrobot response
Cfidguy: Petrosino's reference is there to promote his website and sell product. It is clearly advertising. When I originally removed the commercial reference, it was linking to his site Nutrition Advisor. He then changed it to the latest one which was full of links back to his Nutrition Advisor site. Petrosino's motives are clear.

With the Immunocal.com site, people can find out more about Immunocal. If they require more in-depth information, they can contact the company at their leisure via the said website at info@immunotec.com

Immunocal
V robot:. I examined the reference in depth and did not see any link connecting the reference page to any commercial site. As a sufferer of CFIDS, I believe the link supplies valuable additional information as well as fulfills the requirement of a reference on this page posted by earlier Wikipedians. Petrosino is the obvious author. Give him the courtesy of the non-commercial reference. Cfidsguy 20:20, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Immunocal response

You still don't understand the concept of a wiki. You latest reference still tracks back to a commercial site. Be honest, you're only reason for posting the information on Immunocal is to direct people back to your site that will hopefully result in sales.

As for the plagarized rational, it doesn't hold much water. You are the author of both....the chicken or the egg?

I inserted the immunocal.com reference, a third-party reference that provides additional, non-commercial info. Your domain ammunotec.com is a redirect link to your immunotec website.

I hope this solves this issue^

Immunocal
Vrobot. After reverting my reference 10 times it appears that your only contribution to Wikipedia is to remove my reference. I authored the entire section last may, using verbatim lifts from my website. Not a problem if I can reference my website, but with out the reference,it appears that my website is plagarized from wikipedia. No other reference will suffice since immunocal.com has little of the information I researched and entered there. I know that you are an immunotec distributor from Toronto, Ontario Canada, and as such, your removal of a legitimate reference is biased. I will re-apply the ammunotec references, and delete any order link from the page to remove any "commercial bias." Petrosino 13:08, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Vrobot: On October 20th you said: "If you absolutely want an FAQ, create one on a generic, non commercial linking webpage. Stop re-insering link to your commercail site." I have done that yet you have deleted my reference page that does not link to any commercial site Immunocal FAQ. Without attribution, it appears that my website plagarized the wikipedia site (rather than the fact that I authored it), since I copied this data verbatim from my webpages. No visitor to this posted reference page can find a link to purchase Immunocal. The page stands as a reference to the entire article which I wrote and researched since May of this year. If you revert this edit, there must me a hidden motive. Discuss? Wikipedia is an open forum for discussion. I created this discussion page for you so we could discuss this.Petrosino 15:49, 23 October 2006 (UTC)