User talk:Va2beq

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I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Again, welcome! Eagleash (talk) 19:57, 18 September 2021 (UTC) Eagleash (talk) 19:57, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Isabelle Choinière
Hello, the images need to be adjusted somewhat; text should not be squeezed between images, or images and an infobox as it does not render well for the reader. Also, WP:NOTGALLERY comes into effect. The number of images should probably be reduced and the remaining ones spread throughout the article (preferably below the level of the infobox). An alternative would be to use a 'gallery' where ideally probably three images could be placed across the page after the main content. However, please note that images should only be included if they can add something to the article.

On another note there is similar content in your sandbox. Please don't submit this as well; duplication of items can cause confusion and / or take up the time of other volunteers. Thank you.

If you wish to reply here at your talk page, add  to the start of your message and sign it by adding four tildes ( ~ ). The 'ping', the message and the signature must all be added in one edit or it will not work! This talk page will appear on my watchlist for a short while as well. You can also message me at my talk page, (click 'talk' after my signature). Eagleash (talk) 19:57, 18 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you kindly for the welcome, your time to review and notes for improvement Eagleash,
 * I am obviously still learning to operate in Wikipedia and the instructions you gave me, including those to write back to you (hopefully this is working) are very helpful.
 * I'll find some time tomorrow and make a smaller selection of images and probably put them in a gallery as suggested. The idea here was just to have supporting visual for the timeline. I agree that the link is too vague in how it is presented and will do better.


 * I have indeed similar content in my Sandbox as I wanted to keep a draft distinct as I wanted some feedback on additional content before submitting it. Earlier I mistakenly copy/pasted the header with the request to submit for review in my sandbox.
 * I removed the submission line the next minute as soon as I noticed but I know it was submitted briefly. I hope it is okay now or else I'll save the code on my PC and purge the Sandbox content to be safe.


 * I just understood from your updated that the -nowiki- tags are there so the code is not active as you specified.


 * Thanks again Eagleash for taking the time to review and provide this helpful feedback! Kind regards,Va2beq (talk) 23:37, 18 September 2021 (UTC))
 * I have fixed the 'ping'. You only need the curly brackets and their content; the code & nowiki is there to stop the software writing it as an actual 'ping'. I.e. I would be pinging myself in my message to you! Same applies with the tildes just the four tildes is needed, not the brackets etc. If I remove the nowiki etc. from the signature the software will sign your post with my name...
 * I'm not sure what link you refer to but in the meantime I will remove the 3 images at the top left and place them in a gallery. If you disagree you can always undo my edit but images should not 'squeeze' the text or be at the top left of a section, (WP:IMGLOC). Formatting a gallery is slightly unusual but if you want to swap any of the images about, you can follow my markup. (The ping did not work either time as the second time the software would not have recognised it as a valid ping. Eagleash (talk) 00:00, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

I apologize for the delayed response: in the past weeks I've had a lot of daytime work that crept into my nighttime with overtime on imminent projects. I'll trying to recover and get back at editing this shortly.

Thanks again for the explanations for the 'nowiki' additions. Hopefully this time I got it right.

And thanks for the addition for the gallery, I like it and I feel I should likely put all the pictures into it. I definitely agree with you for the readability. When I was looking at the Draft on a widescreen monitor it looked a bit empty but as I made it appear on a narrower portrait portable device the squeezed text was definitely very problematic and your solution is a definite improvement.

Thanks again Eagleash for your help and feedback! Va2beq (talk) 16:31, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Now, about the text
We write in a much plainer style than the French WP. I know enough French to recognize the French idioms and style being used, and I would be capable of doing it, but it's really your responsibility. The basic difference is that we use many fewer adjectives, and we avoid long sentences with many clauses, sentences and phrasing that look literary or fashionable, or words used in a special meaning. (About half of the people who read English WP do not have English as their first language.) Most important, every  statement that implies judgement or evaluation or significance must have a   3rd party reliable published  source. We take this much more literally than similar sourcing requiremnts in the frWP or the deWP. What you've translated is the introduction. Rather, the introduction should be a single paragraph simply explaining who she is and the principal reasons why  she is important. This should be followed by a section with the basic biography and education, similar to the education section of the French article, followed by a section listing her successive formal positions., Then we do discuss her work, but in much less detail than the frWP sections 2, 3, and 4.-. There should then be a section listing her major awards at a national level, a section listing her written works in full bibliographic format, an then a section covering her artistic work, considerably briefer, We don't usually include presentations at conferences.

On the other hand,
do not worry too much about the coding of the illustrations. if someone doesn't like it, they can change it. I think Eagleash's advice is good, but details like that aren't the most important problem part.  DGG ( talk )

On the third hand
Although I do not disagree with you about the the text (to me it did appear a bit idiosyncratic) trying to re-write this sort of thing makes my head spin! I think the image location was important as there were three (or more) images down each side of the article rendering about 50 lines of text between them of only 2, 3 or 4 words each. Thus making the page inaccessible or not presentable or rather unreadable, to the casual viewer. Cheers. Eagleash (talk) 04:49, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you and  for your feedback. I agree with the text changes suggested and understand where you are coming from. I had indeed set myself into making a translation of French content using a lot of sentences found on the sources' website. I agree that the language is perhaps flamboyant and doesn't sound as neutral as encyclopedic content should. I had gone through the rest of the translation and feel that I should therefore apply my learned lessons on that content as well and I don't want to submit too much of a large chunk for revision if the content isn't appropriately presented. It does however now make me look at the idea or rewriting it all a bit daunting.

I'll try to salvage this by rephrasing the longer sentences with fewer enumerations and exhaustive syntax and restructure the text how I understood it should be to see if that works and will let you know. However I'm not sure I'll be able to get to it in the next few days, I've been feeling unusually exhausted from work at the computer (totally unrelated to wikipedia). Should I remove the 'AfC submission' atop the current version as I rework it or is it okay to leave it on until I've made the edits?

Thanks again for the revision an opinions. (I giggled reading 'on the third hand': I never heard that one before!) Cheers! Va2beq (talk) 16:31, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Isabelle Choinière (October 11)
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Deb (talk) 14:36, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Concern regarding Draft:Isabelle Choinière
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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 03:03, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Isabelle Choinière


Hello, Va2beq. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Isabelle Choinière".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. When you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Hey man im josh (talk) 11:12, 28 September 2023 (UTC)