User talk:Valenciano/Archive 6

Hindu Reform Movements
Hi valenciano, I had edited the page Hindu reform Movements and I feel that the reference to "Tamil Nadu Untouchability eradication forum (TNUEF)" completely unnecessary. Being well acquainted with the politics of my region viz. Tamil Nadu, I can confidently say that these are more to do with social reform than religious reformation. Many people associated with such organization espouse atheism or virulently attack Hinduism. So please remove this reference and revert the page to the way I had edited it. Please contact me for further clarification on my talk page.

keech 12:08, 15 August 2012 (UTC)Vignesh Ramachandran — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rv 21071989 (talk • contribs)

1993 Madrid bombings
All the grammar books I've seen say to use "that" in restrictive clauses and "which" in non-restrictive. Non-restrictive clauses are ones where the clause is helpful but not necessary, which can include the one ending this sentence. Restrictive clauses are ones that are absolutely necessary to the meaning of the sentence, such as the one following "ones" in this sentence. I saw this clause as restrictive, because presumably there have been multiple car bombings in Madrid's history (and if there were only one, it might have been "Madrid Car Bombing"), but it's less likely that there have been multiple car bombings in Madrid's history that killed twelve people, especially given the bit at the end of the sentence. Nyttend (talk) 00:30, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I'd disagree and that's not accepted in a lot of grammar books, which use "which" as a defining (or restrictive) relative clause, see for example two of the main authorities, the British Council and the Oxford dictionary, both of which use "which" in the way I used it. Really, it's the opposite way: that can't be used in non-defining relative clauses. However, in the DYK in question, as "that" can also be used in the same way, I'm happy enough to leave it as it is. Thanks, Valenciano (talk) 11:55, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Deletion?
I made a mistake, can you please delete this article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SL_Benfica_handball_roster_template? I created a new one, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:SL_Benfica_handball_roster in the correct manner. --Threeohsix (talk) 11:22, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I see Nyttend has done that for you already. Valenciano (talk) 11:55, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

I ask him to delete this one too. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:SL_Benfica_Handball_roster, duplicated by mistake.--Threeohsix (talk) 12:33, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

66.214.135.197
FYI 66.214.135.197 had introduced a series of edits with deliberate misinformation.--S. Rich (talk) 04:23, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Most of their edits have been reverted and a level 4 warning left on the IP user's talk page (not by me). Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 04:37, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * @SRich, sorry, I'm a little confused here. I don't recall interacting with the i.p. in question, so can you give me the context? Valenciano (talk) 08:45, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * This was 2 weeks ago. Look at revision history of Babb, Montana & Gavar. 66.214.135.197 introduced misinformation with a climate table that was mislabled, another IP reverted (without giving an explaination), and then you reverted to the incorrect version.  It was a subtle bit of vandalism by the first IP because the climate table had plausable data, was labled for the city involved, but the actual data was from a different city. --S. Rich (talk) 11:05, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah this edit, yeah I honestly that the i.p. was blanking relevant info and the climate data looked plausible for that part of the world. Thanks for catching that! Valenciano (talk) 11:31, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Satellite Spies
FYI - User talk:Lone boatman. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 09:43, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for 1993 Madrid bombings
Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of María Soledad Iparraguirre
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Irish people in Jamaica

 * Hi! Thanks for the post. I replied at the above talkpage. Fergananim (talk) 09:26, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion
why did you mark the article for speedy deletion ? I'm still creating it --Zo3a (talk) 20:40, 2 September 2012 (UTC)


 * It's a copyright violation as pointed out in the speedy. You've simply copy pasted text from a wesbite on to here. Valenciano (talk) 20:42, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

RE:Thanks, but just one small thing
thanks a lot for the information user:Stefano1111(talk) 4 september 2012 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.66.90.96 (talk) 12:19, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Do you know anything about this?
See [] for a question that refers to you. We are puzzled as to its meaning. Perhaps you can help. Bielle (talk) 16:36, 5 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Actually, never mind... the user who asked that question appears to be a socking troll, based on the auto-unblock request on their talk page. Sorry for the messages. Hers fold  non-admin (t/a/c) 17:35, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
 * That's okay and purely for the record, I haven't a clue what the user is referring to either. I don't recall ever interacting with them, much less befriending them. Valenciano (talk) 18:42, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

SFTML Report
Hey there Valenciano, just to let you know that your SFTML input report has been submitted and reported. No errors were to be found however I wouldn't mind a quick chat regarding the LFLT-B77 server. Thanks again. Keith. --KeithMcEnnisLtd (talk) 19:49, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Blocked as a troll - evidently return of the guy in the item above. Do you know who this is? JohnCD (talk) 20:00, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
 * No clue! It's really bizarre that they've picked my name. I do a fair bit of new pages patrolling so maybe someone I've warned before for vandalism? Alternatively since I was involved in a thread just before theirs at the Wikipedia help desk, it's possible they've just picked my name at random from that. Valenciano (talk) 20:04, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Seems to be a reincarnation of, at least Wordy-whatnot asked to unblocked from a Technoquat autoblock; but Technoquat started straight in as a troll, so we still don't know who it was before that. Not that it matters, really, just RBI. JohnCD (talk) 20:22, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
 * He is quite multifarious. JohnCD (talk) 22:24, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for María Soledad Iparraguirre
Yngvadottir (talk) 00:03, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Hazi Helo
I have removed the Charts Section from Hazi Helo Album in this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hazi_Helo Because back then, there were no virgin megastore in these countries, and thus the information in the link are false. Please remove them again. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.141.54.24 (talk) 15:55, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Page Curation newsletter
Hey. I'm dropping you a note because you used to (or still do!) patrol new pages. This is just to let you know that we've deployed and developed Page Curation, which augments and supersedes Special:NewPages - there are a lot of interesting new features :). There's some help documentation here if you want to familiarise yourself with the system and start using it. If you find any bugs or have requests for new features, let us know here. Thanks! Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 12:59, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

RfC assessment request
Hi Valenciano, as an administrator can you please have a look at the following Request for Comment and provide an assessment of it and close it. Whilst I know that admins aren't required to do so in regards to an RfC, I think it is best to avoid any possible misunderstandings. Mabuska (talk) 15:21, 3 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry Mabuska, I'm not an admin, so can't help with that one I'm afraid. Valenciano (talk) 15:23, 3 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh, I always thought you were lol. No probs! Mabuska (talk) 15:43, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Evermore
Fair enough, I was perhaps reading too much into the intention of the article wrt spam, rather than what was there, restored now  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  11:59, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of Nathan smart for deletion
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Nigel Richards
Hello. Why did you flag my entry for deletion? it is not a violation. There is relevant information there with major contributions to the music world, as documented by the link to discogs.com to prove it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nigel611 (talk • contribs) 18:28, 19 November 2012 (UTC)


 * For you to have an article you would need to meet our notability guidelines at WP:N, meeting some of those at WP:MUSIC would help. In this case the only reference to you was at discogs, which is not a reliable source (see WP:RS.) Generally per WP:COI, it's best if you don't write articles about yourself. Valenciano (talk) 06:18, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

CSD tag
Hi Valenciano, would you mind removing the speedy deletion tag on Bernardo cremades, the page has been moved so there is nothing in its history which needs to be deleted. If Bernardo cremades is deleted then G8 would apply rather than G12. Thanks, Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 06:09, 20 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Done. Sorry about that, the page wasn't a redirect when I clicked to add the CSD tag, my internet is pretty sluggish so by the time twinkle showed up, you'd redirected it and I was off doing something else. Valenciano (talk) 06:14, 20 November 2012 (UTC)


 * No worries, I ended up clicking the button to adding maintenance tags after you'd CSDed it. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 06:20, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

More on Pilsudski dictatorship in Poland
Thank you for reacting to unexplained reverts on the subject matter.

There is an on-going discussion and edits of this article related to this matter. Your contributions to this discussions and edits will be most appreciated. See the talk page of the Pilsudski article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:J%C3%B3zef_Pi%C5%82sudski#Sources_on_Pilsudski_dictatorship:_Britannica_Concise_Encyclopedia.2C_The_Oxford_Companion_to_Military_History.2C_Gale_Encyclopedia_of_Biography.2C_Columbia_Encyclopedia_and_Time_Magazine — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.102.172.86 (talk) 09:06, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: How to make someone like you
Hello Valenciano. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of How to make someone like you, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: not a test page - convetting to PROD. Thank you. SmartSE (talk) 13:25, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
 * It's been speedy deleted anyway which was always going to happen. Valenciano (talk) 17:13, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

José Campaña - and others i assume
Hi there VALENCIANO, AL from Portugal here,

please stop removing the SPANISH FOOTBALLERS category, it has happened with User:Monegasque in the past, thought it was resolved.

If anything, the ANDALUSIAN FOOTBALLERS (sub-category) has to go, not the main one (SPANISH FOOTBALLERS) OK? A consensus has been reached on that already, please help me and reinstate the latter category if you will (i have no idea in how many footballers have you removed the category, could be you only did it Campaña).

Attentively, happy editing - --AL (talk) 15:33, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Valenciano, there is consensus at WP:FOOTY that the national categories should remain. If you continue to remove valid categories, you will be blocked for disruptive editing. Regards, GiantSnowman 16:05, 6 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Guys, I really had to do a double take when reading these messages, as any passing observer who read them would think that I am some kind of persistent vandal who is constantly POV edit warring to remove cats. In fact, I'd completely forgotten the edit to the Campaña article in question, hardly surprising considering it was on 1 September, well over 3 months ago! So messages like "please stop..." or "if you continue to..." are based on the faulty assumption that I'm in the process of doing something which I'm not.


 * For the record when I made the edits I was conscious of Categorization which says: "In addition, each categorized page should be placed in all of the most specific categories to which it logically belongs. This means that if a page belongs to a subcategory of C (or a subcategory of a subcategory of C, and so on) then it is not normally placed directly into C."


 * It was on that basis that I removed the category. Now there are exceptions to that at Categorization but that section does make it clear that editors should be informed of that by adding the relevant All included and Distinguished subcategory. I don't see any sign that anyone at WP:FOOTY has actually bothered to do that, so it's really not reasonable to expect editors to be familiar with some local consensus.


 * If you had come to my talk page and politely informed me of that local consensus that would have been perfectly fine and I would have respected that and probably would have helped you restoring categories which I had in good faith removed. What I am definitely not cool with is someone coming to my talkpage and threatening me, an editor who has been here 7 years without a block or threat of a block, for a long ago one off edit supported by policy which went against a local consensus which no one had bothered to document in the correct way. I find that WAY, WAY over the top and out of order frankly and I would expect a lot better from you Giant Snowman. Valenciano (talk) 20:38, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Apologies if my threat was over-zealous; however I have had bad experiences with a number of editors over this issue. You have now been made aware of the consensus, and so I trust you will not adhere to it and there will be no further issues and we can all continue with our editing! Thanks, GiantSnowman 20:53, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I didn't realise there was any past controversy on that issue, I made my edits in good faith, as part of standard categorisation procedure, not as an attempt to POV push. Now that I know the consensus, I've no problem observing it but I would suggest that you add the relevant templates to the cats in question to avoid editors unwittingly getting caught up. Valenciano (talk) 20:58, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, plenty of controversey unfortunately - even ended up at RFCU for one individual. I have no doubts your edits were made in good faith, and I'd like to repeat my apologies for the threat of a block. Thanks, GiantSnowman 21:05, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem, now that I know the context, I understand now why you said what you did. I'll have a look and see what categories I incorrectly removed, but as I've other stuff to deal with and I'm 6 hours ahead of the UK/Portugal it's likely to be a few days before I get around to it. All the best, Valenciano (talk) 21:10, 6 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I also offer my sincere apologies if my message was seen in another light (a negative one), but i feel i did not say anything to you i would say to a "bonafide" vandal. To say "please stop" is not assuming you were not in good faith i believe. Regards --AL (talk) 21:27, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
 * "Please stop" implied to me that you thought I was in the process of doing something I wasn't. I only removed the cat once, unaware that it was an exception to the general rule.... "please don't remove these again" or something similar would have covered it better. Anyway, no harm done, so let's move on, as I say, I'll have a look in a few days time to see what cats need to be readded. Valenciano (talk) 21:40, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Proposed districts of Northern Ireland
FYI, your redirects have been reverted for for some reason. Frietjes (talk) 17:53, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Antrim and Newtownabbey District
 * Lisburn City and Castlereagh District
 * Mid and East Antrim District
 * Causeway Coast and Glens District
 * Mid-Ulster District
 * Fermanagh and Omagh District
 * Newry City, Mourne and Down District
 * Armagh City, Banbridge and Craigavon District
 * North Down and Ards
 * Derry City and Strabane District


 * Thanks for the heads up. As I explained here the revert is fine due to changed political circumstances. Valenciano (talk) 18:27, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated
Hi, I'm Mkdw. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, Ice cream parlor project, and have un-reviewed it again. If you've got any questions, please ask me on my talk page. Thanks, Mkdw
 * See Talk:Ice cream parlor project and Kulfi. Mkdw talk 07:47, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I was actually tagging the page for speedy deletion myself using Twinkle under G11 criteria. The problem is that due to slow internet problems at my end the Twinkle module froze and either didn't complete the tagging or else you got there first. As I'd headed off to do something else I didn't notice. Thanks anyway, Valenciano (talk) 08:00, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Darn that slow internet. Cheers! Mkdw talk 08:45, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

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DYK for Monbar Hotel attack
Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:05, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you
Hey thank you for the guidelines. I have just joined Wikipedia as i came across a very interesting article about a diabetic drug recently launched in India & wanted to share it with people. However my intentions were never to promote any organization or any brand.

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Re: Thanks!
Re your message: Not a problem. I thought you being the target was rather strange, too. I was trying to figure out how they found you, but I have no idea what the connection was. Sometimes you just get drive-by vandalizing. They won't be doing that anymore. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 02:34, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

REPAIRING the "Cities by Longitude Page"
Dear Sir or Madam:

Please understand that my deletion of data on the cities by longitude page is NOT done with malicious intent. I am only deleting all sections temporarily, after which I will copy all data from the "Cities by Latitude Page" (which I have been correcting/updating/improving) but rearranged by longitude. Thank you in advance for your understanding! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.175.139.97 (talk) 19:10, 25 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Okay that's fair enough, but in future I would suggest making a copy of the page in the WP:sandbox then pasting it in when ready. Also, using edit summaries is absolutely essential as otherwise it looks as though you're simply vandalising Wikipedia, which does not seem to be the case here. Thanks, Valenciano (talk) 19:25, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Rylen coffield
Hi. Thank you   for patrolling  new pages. It's extremely important  to  read what  you  are tagging. This page: Rylen coffield was a blatant WP:G10 and should have been blanked immediately. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:43, 22 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I always read pages I tag, which is why my CSD log is 99% red. The article I came across simply said "Ryan coffield is a badass." In this case, it depends whether you consider someone describing themselves as a "badass" to be an "attack" or "negative", which is what G10 is all about. "Badass" in AAVE is more often than not a term of praise, especially in hip hop culture.


 * Definition of badass from urbandictionary.com...


 * "Awesome to an extreme level, thereby leveraging unquestionable authority."


 * "The epitome of the American male. He radiates confidence in everything he does, whether it's ordering a drink, buying a set of wheels, or dealing with women. He's slow to anger, brutally efficient when fighting back."


 * "The badass is an uncommon man of supreme style. He does what he wants, when he wants, where he wants. You won't find him on facebook, myspace, msn et cetera because he is probably out being cool somewhere."


 * On that basis I tagged it as A7 instead, as it seemed to me to be the subject of an article bragging about themselves and an A7 warning on a user page looks far less serious in the future than a G10. When in doubt, we should err on the side of caution before accusing users of vandalism/creating attack pages. Valenciano (talk) 08:31, 23 July 2013 (UTC)


 * There is no need whatsoever to  err on  the side of caution  with  such  a page creation. Badass  - and I don't  need a lecture in  semantics ;) - may  be a term  of endearment  where you  come from, but  there are still  some remote corners of the English  speaking  world where it  is considered highly  offensive - Wikipedia is international, and we have to  keep  that  in  mind. It  was  an attack page, a negative unsourced BLP, and blatant  vandalism. A7 is completely  misplaced for such  a page. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:03, 23 July 2013 (UTC)


 * In that case I was trying to give a new user the benefit of the doubt, particularly since the user name and the page name were the same and I found it highly doubtful they'd be creating a page to attack themselves. It looked to me (and still looks) like they were creating a page to brag about themselves, I do often come across attack pages and they don't use terms generally used as praise in the likes of hip hop songs. I have heard the term mostly in a bragging kind of way, probably a comment on the type of circles I move in :) and the page was clearly for the chop anyhow but yeah probably better to tag such pages in future as G3. Valenciano (talk) 12:05, 23 July 2013 (UTC)


 * We obviously  move in very  different  circles ;) Mine tends to  be the world of lexicography, languages, and cultures. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:23, 23 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Worryingly our circles are not that dissimilar. I'm just curious and for future reference to help me tag perfectly, how would you deal with articles that said something like "DJ JD is an awesome motherfucker" or "John Doe is a musician who records some great shit" .... G3 or G10? Valenciano (talk) 12:29, 23 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Either or, it doesn't  matter which  as long  as they  are extremely  rapidly  nuked -  they  are both  blatant  vandalism  of one kind or another. G10 lights a red alert  on  admin control  panels and automatically  blanks the page. If  you're using  Twinkle, they  both  leave an appropriate warning  on  the creator's talk  page. When I  see anything  like that if I'm  patrolling, I  use my  admin  discretion  to  summarily  delete them  immediately.  I also go  the extra mile and check  on  the user's other contribs and block  if required. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:39, 23 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Okay. I'll G3/G10 pages like the coffield page in future. Thanks for the advice. Valenciano (talk) 12:59, 23 July 2013 (UTC)