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Nimmmad
You blocked a few weeks ago - they are back and still at it. Time for indef? GiantSnowman 16:58, 9 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Yeah, maybe an indef from article space with a custom message, again hoping they'll see it? How do you feel about those for someone who has never edited a talk? I kind of like them, but I know some people don't. valereee (talk) 17:10, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah, worth a try... GiantSnowman 20:48, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Help?
You know how lost I am without Yoninah and I am hoping you can help me. I have worked up an article that I am planning to get through the GA nomination in time for International Women's Day on March 8th. At any rate, I always seem to have trouble with hooks. Since I won't have a lot of time as it needs both a GA and DYK review, I thought perhaps I could approach you before it is reviewed and get your take. Do you think this is interesting enough and has broad appeal? "DYK...that South African nurse, Stella Madzimbamuto, filed an appeal in 1968 with the British Privy Council on her husband's detention which resulted in the Rhodesian government being declared illegal?" [https://web.archive.org/web/20190121064742/http://lawjournal.mcgill.ca/userfiles/other/8409831-hahlo.pdf "In consequence, the usurping government in Rhodesia is not a lawful government, and all its acts and decrees are invalid." p 95] It's right at 197 char and though it seems kind of long, I am not sure how I could shorten it. I thought it was interesting that she challenged the Rhodesian government, but she was South African. I also am not sure if the last word would be better as unlawful, though my thesaurus says illegal is a synonym, but I don't want to end up at errors, either. I totally understand if you don't have time or interest. Thanks! SusunW (talk) 22:05, 9 February 2022 (UTC)


 * @SusunW, oh, I think that's totally interesting. I think I would go with unlawful, although for the quirky slot illegal might also work. For International Women's Day I would recommend nominating it asap. It looks like it's qualified for you to nom it today as a new creation? Do it! Totally happy to help you through the process.
 * To shorten...maybe
 * ALT 0a ...that South African nurse Stella Madzimbamuto filed an appeal in 1968 which resulted in the Rhodesian government being declared illegal?
 * (That's without actually reading the article, so I don't know how important the deleted part of the hook is. But shorter tends to be better.) valereee (talk) 22:31, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay that was weird, my whole response went away. Thank you so much, I truly appreciate your input. I hadn't even thought about doing it before it was reviewed for GA. I'll see what I can do about a QPQ. I definitely want it for March 8th and I think, but I'm pretty OCD ;), that the British Privy Council is important and gives it even more of an "international" scope. SusunW (talk) 22:41, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
 * SusunW, if you think the part about the British Privy Council is important, definitely keep it! LMK when you've made the nom and I'll try to make time to review in the next day. Make sure in the comments to put the date request!
 * This would shorten it a bit:
 * ... that South African nurse Stella Madzimbamuto's 1968 appeal with the British Privy Council on her husband's detention resulted in the Rhodesian government being declared illegal?
 * You could also remove the part about her husband's detention to make it shorter, and still keep the BPC:
 * ... that South African nurse Stella Madzimbamuto's 1968 appeal with the British Privy Council resulted in the Rhodesian government being declared illegal? valereee (talk) 13:09, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
 * It's here Template:Did you know nominations/Stella Madzimbamuto if you want to review it. Or if you want to just bookmark it to keep an eye out, that's fine too. Totally appreciate your help. SusunW (talk) 18:10, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

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Shaylee Mansfield
Hi Valereee! You asked me about Shaylee Mansfield - I'm a Deaf expert and some edits are modified or removed as the focus should be about her not the interpreters or coaches. There's more, but this is why I am here to tweak these parts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marie284 (talk • contribs) 17:57, 10 February 2022 (UTC)


 * @Marie284, I still don't see why this information is irrelevant here. Yes, the story is about her, but there are details around her/her performances that are of use for readers who aren't Deaf experts. What is your concern? valereee (talk) 20:34, 11 February 2022 (UTC)


 * @valeree It is not about her interpreters and coaches, it is about a Deaf person career and it should stand on its own. As a Deaf person, some of your edits are considered culturally insensitive. Do want to make sure that it's clean from that by working with Deaf experts like myself who can support in reframing how it is structured or written. I only hope you would be understanding by removing some of the edits. Would be happy to correspond via email. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marie284 (talk • contribs) 17:58, 12 February 2022 (UTC)


 * @Marie284, it's better if we discuss at the article talk. Let's take this there. valereee (talk) 18:29, 12 February 2022 (UTC)


 * @Valeree You could be anyone, too. Keep in mind that everyone is an expert - yours happen to be in this department while I am an expert when it comes to Deaf people, their language, culture, and community. The interpreters do not help with accuracy, only with accessibility. A huge difference. Unfortunately, articles/journalists outside of the Deaf community do not always get it correct. As for the ASL coaches, only one ASL coach was brought on board according to the end credits and trained the hearing actors/actresses not the Deaf actress in this case. In the industry, the term LEAD role is more appropriate than MAIN role. There are more articles about this: https://stylecaster.com/sofia-carson-feel-the-beat-netflix/ and https://www.respectability.org/2020/06/shaylee-mansfield-feel-the-beat/


 * Now that I've given two reliable sources, it'd be appreciated if it can be fixed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marie284 (talk • contribs) 18:48, 12 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Let's go to the article talk, which is at Talk:Shaylee Mansfield. valereee (talk) 19:01, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Postscript159
Looking at your edits here, I think you meant to lift the block on that user but forgot to do so. Looks like they also have one more outstanding unblock request from last month. --Yamla (talk) 15:41, 15 February 2022 (UTC)


 * I feel like I'm getting worse at this instead of better lol... valereee (talk) 19:30, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Amish in Ohio
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Eshcoff
Hello, regarding this edit, no doubt they are. However, this wording is taken directly from the Classic Restaurants of Fort Wayne source, and also supported by the other cited source. They are of course American by nationality, but the sources point out they are Macedonian by ethnicity. -- Local hero talk 01:06, 16 February 2022 (UTC)


 * If we're going to discuss this we should do it at the article talk. But I don't really think the ethnicity of the current owners of a restaurant founded by the article subject even needs to be mentioned in the article about that person. It's trivia. And frankly this obsession with nationality into probably what is now the third generation is nuts. I'm Scottish, Welsh, German, Irish, and French. My husband is Swiss-Italian. His father was born here to Italian immigrants, and that gives my kids an Italian last name. Does that make them "ethnically Italian"? valereee (talk) 11:25, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
 * The important thing is that they're Macedonian wieners. Levivich 14:51, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
 * The current owner was born to Eshcoff's daughter and his Macedonian son-in-law, thus she is not of mixed heritage, which is quite different to your situation. With the removal of the word, we don't establish that his son-in-law (who ran the place for decades) was also Macedonian. I think it's perfectly reasonable to have in the article as, a century later, the restaurant would likely either be closed by now or in the hands of completely new ownership. And again, the cited source found it reasonable to include. -- Local hero talk 15:29, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Please take discussions like this to article talk. Feel free to ping me there. Other editors watching a given article need to understand the arguments you are making. They don't have that opportunity when you continue to discuss at my or any other editor's user talk instead of at Talk:Vasil Eshcoff. If this is something you are regularly doing, you really shouldn't. We need to discuss article content at article talk. valereee (talk) 11:02, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, valereee. There is already such discussion on thie article's talk I have oppened, because User:Local hero did not, but insists on his opinion. Would you like to participate in it? Regards. Jingiby (talk) 11:50, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I saw that, and I've subscribed. With two people in agreement about excluding something, the onus is on the editor who wants to include it, so I'll hold off commenting as not necessary. valereee (talk) 14:54, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

DYK nom
Template:Did you know nominations/The Links is now in prep 1 for February 28. Please let me know if you want an earlier date and I can do some switching. SL93 (talk) 16:52, 18 February 2022 (UTC)


 * @SL93, thanks so much! Feb 28 is fine! Actually if it couldn't have gone into Feb, that would have been fine, too, but I appreciate it getting slotted when it was so late! valereee (talk) 19:07, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Memory jog Draft:Ruth Ellen Church
You marked the as under review a goodly while ago. Just a nudge 😇 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 14:18, 20 February 2022 (UTC)


 * @Timtrent, ugh, thank you! I had completely forgotten! I'll set up a w-ping for myself! valereee (talk) 14:38, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
 * ~giggles~ Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 14:48, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

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Following up
Hi valereee, just wanted to follow up on – apologies for the delay. Community statements are very important to me, but in many circumstances, statements do not meaningfully contribute. There was a fairly high share of those unhelpful statements at the case request in question, as you're probably able to see. (I wasn't trying to call anyone out in my note! I was just trying to set better expectations for what would be most impactful in the future.) I don't personally treat statements at ARC as a good reflection of community consensus unless the sentiment is truly overwhelming, because that is a very skewed sample; instead, statements are most helpful when they help us contextualize the dispute or provide more information that we had not considered. Hope this resolves your concern but happy to talk more. Best, KevinL ( aka L235 · t · c) 15:55, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * but IMHO had the best line of that case  :)    SN54129  16:07, 25 March 2022 (UTC)


 * @L235, it wasn't so much that it was a concern as that I wasn't sure I was interpreting correctly. I do get that the most helpful statements are those that address something that hasn't been touched on rather than saying the same things everyone else has said, totally. And that there's the arbcom case statement equivalent of silly questions at RfA, which I've expressed my own frustration over. :D But, well...how would the committee be aware that a sentiment was truly overwhelming if people don't comment? We ask everyone to comment in their own section, so we're actively discouraging people from just dropping a +1 under someone else's statement. Er, not implying I have an answer. :D valereee (talk) 15:20, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

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