User talk:Valereee/Archive 49

Dangers of the Mail
yes! There’s definitely some whole articles to be written on the New Deal murals and art generally. (The New Deal was actually quite progressive in *hiring* Native American artists (for example Gerald Nailor Sr. and Stephen Mopope did projects elsewhere in D.C.) so there’s a stunning range of perspectives and subject matter.) One that comes to mind as probably being worthy of a stand-alone is Facets of New London which is the only *abstract* mural they ever commissioned! jengod (talk) 18:09, 24 October 2022 (UTC)


 * There's a treatmant here by the Smithsonian, probably goes toward making Flathead War Party notable. Valereee (talk) 18:28, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
 * And another. Valereee (talk) 19:13, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry to contradict, jengod, but I wrote articles about Paul Kelpe and Albert Swinden, who created three of the five abstract murals commissioned for the Williamsburg Housing Project by the Federal Art Project (a New Deal program).   M ANdARAX       XAЯAbИA M    20:15, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Nice!! Contradict away User:Mandarax! I was just talking about post office murals commissioned by Treasury Dept. and source is the Marling book so we have to parse “only” correctly to be clear but it sounds like WPA/FAP was more open about new styles than Treasury! jengod (talk) 20:21, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Ah, I thought your "they" referred to the entire New Deal. Maybe a little more open, but I think it was still a struggle for abstract artists.   M ANdARAX       XAЯAbИA M    21:00, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Regarding new food article
Hey, @Valereee, you recently told me to ping you if I had a traditional food article in mind to create. I wanted to create one on Lehyam/Legyam, which is a traditional Indian medicinal dish based on Ayurveda that is prepared during the Deepavali festival. I was not really able to find a lot of reliable resources to create this article, and it would likely be returned to draftspace if I used whatever links I could find, or merged with a different article. Would you suggest that I just give it up or try my luck? Chronikhiles (talk) 11:59, 21 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Hey, @Chronikhiles! What I generally do in such a case is go ahead and create the article in my user space (so User:Chronikhiles/Lehyam for instance). In user space, drafts don't get automatically deleted after six months; I have several drafts in my user space that have been there for years while I wait for more sources to turn up.
 * Then I set a google alert for the name(s) of the dish. In this case that's a little more complicated because of transliteration and quite likely multiple names in different Indian languages. I don't know how many languages you read and write? You want to search in as many languages/alphabets as you can. This language/transliteration problem is common for foods especially, and especially traditional foods in places like India (and all over southeast Asia, east Asia, Africa, really anywhere that both is multicultural/multilingual and doesn't have much food journalism/food academic study.)
 * But I can tell you that almost any food or beverage that is traditionally associated with ritual/ceremony/holiday/festival is quite likely notable. That's how I knew Panakam was likely notable. And any reliable source saying so passes the Credible claim of significance test, which makes it definitely worth starting a userspace draft and just keeping your eyes open.
 * Have you checked hi.wiki to see if they've got an article? And do you have access to a library that offers research assistance by phone or email? Research librarians are awesome.
 * Alternatively, you could add a section at Deepavali, create redirects for every name you can think of, and do the same thing to try to expand that section until you've found enough to split it off. In some ways this can be better, as other editors may add content. Valereee (talk) 12:30, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Here is something: https://www.thehindu.com/features/metroplus/how-to-make-deepavali-legiyam/article7845876.ece Usually we like to see a little more coverage, and the recipe itself doesn't actually help prove notability (although if I look up a dish and find hundreds of recipes, that also tells me a dish is likely notable), but The Hindu is RS and they are saying Deepavali legiyam (or ‘Deepavali marundhu’), is a special preparation made in many Chennai households to aid digestion of the rich food consumed this time of the year. And there we obviously see another spelling and even another name to search on, and we learn that this is especially popular in Chennai, so we know we need to also search in Tamil if possible. :D Valereee (talk) 12:42, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hm, looks like Chennai's library when it was built in 2010 was one of the largest in Asia! Anna Centenary Library. You might email them, explain you're researching lehyam, and ask if they can help find sources. Valereee (talk) 13:04, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Chronikhiles, wantd to make sure you'd seen this before it archives? Valereee (talk) 14:45, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hey, @Valereee, no, I had not seen your previous messages until literal minutes ago, I was not notified of them for some reason. I have created Lehyam, as I'm sure you have noticed at this point, and I did find more than a few sources, which I hope are adequate for a starter level article. I am from Chennai myself, and the picture I've added is my mom's own lekiyam preparation, so I'd be pretty sad if it goes back to draft. That being said, if it does, I'll try to find some sources in time. I was a bit averse to adding ingredients because when I added them for Panakam, it got drafted. Thank you for taking the time to look it up, and if you're able to find more RS, please do let me know so I could add them. Chronikhiles (talk) 15:01, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Chronikhiles, I hadn't seen it, no! I don't see any reason it would have to go back to draft, you've found plenty of sources that mention it, and some mention it multiple times or at some length. There are several credible claims to significance in the article.
 * Listing ingredients is not a problem in and of itself. The problem is that the source for a list of ingredients is often a recipe, and even authoritatively-published recipes can't be used to support notability; a cookbook that contains discussion of the dish along with a recipe can be used to support notability, but many cookbooks are just books full of recipes with not discussion of the dish itself. So Panakam didn't get moved to draft space because it had ingredients listed, it got moved to draft space because there weren't enough non-recipe sources that supported notability.
 * Hey, the article says the Lehyam is rolled into balls? Can we get an image of the balls? Valereee (talk) 15:31, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Valereee, I see, thanks for your insight. I'm sure I can upload an image of a balled up lehyam on the article soon. Chronikhiles (talk) 15:40, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

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Re: your comment at DYK
This doesn't seem to be the case - it was done in May. Perhaps your login got caught in your spam filter? Nikkimaria (talk) 03:16, 27 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Hey, Nikkimaria! Well, for heaven's sake. My dashboard told me the application was still on the waitlist because the partner doesn't have any access grants available at this time. But yep, a search in my inbox found the invitation to log in back in May. Sheesh. Thank you so much for following up! Valereee (talk) 13:48, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Apologies
With regards to this discussion, I do apologize and can appreciate how that appeared to be deliberate misrepresentation. Would you like me to strike the elements of my comments which misrepresent the situation, or is the thread one which is best left well alone now in an effort to "cool things off"..? — TheresNoTime (talk • they/them) 16:13, 26 October 2022 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, @TheresNoTime, I somehow missed this. No, I'm sure it was just a misread, I absolutely believe in your good faith, and I completely understand how that happens. I had actually tried to edit multiple of my statements and had edit conflicts during that. Valereee (talk) 20:08, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Discussion at WT:MOSBIO
Addressing this here because it's only tangentially related to the main discussion at the talk page. After and  I genuinely cannot tell right now if you're being serious, or if you're trolling. I would like to ask that you please re-read the discussion, and re-evaluate how your comments are coming across. Sideswipe9th (talk) 16:23, 26 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Hey, @Sideswipe9th! I'm not trolling. I genuinely believe that we are using Sophie/Sophie's too often on that article to be readable, and if we can switch some of them without misusing what we currently understand was Sophie's preference, it would be good for the article. I would have thought we'd use "Sophie's" instead of "their", so if that's not correct and we could use "their" in a few places, I think it would be a positive. At that article right now, ~1 in 12 words is Sophie or Sophie's. It reads as awkwardly repetitive to me since in most articles we'd mention a person's name the first time we refer to that person in a paragraph, and then after that use their preferred pronouns except when necessary for clarity. So when I saw you maybe had a better understanding of when using 'their' was not a problem, I thought I'd point you at that article in the sincere belief maybe you could help.
 * I think we should use preferred neopronouns on Wikipedia. Even some of the more unusual ones that might be confusing to some readers, I think we should use, within reason of course -- if someone is changing pronouns frequently and doesn't want "they", then no, that would be disruptive. As I mentioned in that discussion, I changed Maia Kobabe recently to switch to 'e' where it had been awkwardly repetitive due to another editor wanting to use eir name instead of e/em/eir. And I don't often troll, and certainly wouldn't at something involving gender identity. It's too fraught a subject. I do tend to use humor in many discussions, but at a MOSBIO discussion on gender identity I try to be careful even with mild humor. Like I'd actually written "is presenting themselves (Sophieself?) differently in public than in private" and decided that would possibly be seen as flippant in a discussion which is highly emotional for many people, and that wasn't what I was going for. So, no, not trolling. Trying sincerely to approach this issue with an open mind about what's the best choice for the project while still treating people as much as possible the way they wish to be treated. Neopronouns is one thing, no pronouns at all is another. Valereee (talk) 19:06, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
 * And actually the more I look into it, the more I doubt the person, Sophie, actually rejected pronouns. I'm not seeing it anywhere. The NYT, BBC, they're calling Sophie by feminine pronouns. Valereee (talk) 21:46, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Got your ping there on the article talk page, and have responded there.
 * I'm glad you weren't trolling, as I really couldn't figure out if it was a serious comment or not. I do think though a better example to raise might have been the Public Universal Friend, who rejected both gender and gendered pronouns way back in the 1770s! That article also has the benefit of more time elapsing, so less likely to be as fraught (at least within the realms of GENSEX).
 * I'm glad that we do have at least one example of an article using Spivak pronouns, though I see in the article history even that was subject to some back and forth. And I do agree that we handle neopronouns very poorly on enwiki at present. I still hope this RfC will change that, but at the moment I'm not convinced that it will. Sideswipe9th (talk) 21:25, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Communication in text is difficult. I too hope the RfC will have a positive outcome. Valereee (talk) 21:29, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

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Dangers of the Mail
I'm not commenting on this in DYK space, so as not to trigger a lot of comments about my comments. I was not even aware this mural existed. Did you want to add it to List of New Deal murals? Oh, the irony of it all - an image of naked women being subjugated ... on a building named after Bill C. One can only wonder how long this mural would have remained, if the women were non-white. — Maile (talk) 21:54, 2 November 2022 (UTC)


 * I didn't know it existed, either, which is why when I was checking Karl R. Free, which mentioned it but didn't have an image or link, I was surprised and thought, "Oh, for sure that mural needs a redlink". And then of course inevitably I ended up writing it lol. LofNDm excludes those placed in post offices (I guess because there were so many?) but it's included at List of United States post office murals. And, yes, if I could figure out how to fit in that irony, I would. I actually googled ' "dangers of the mail" clinton irony' but you and I are apparently the only ones to have noticed that. :D Valereee (talk) 10:43, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

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The 2022 WikiCup has drawn to a close with the final round going down to the wire. The 2022 champion is
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Can I ask you to eye over an edit please?
Article Lewis Evangelidis has been edited by see  which has a few problems. The photo needs removing as it's not free content, the whole edit seems promotional to me? It looks like a COI maybe? I didn't want to revert without a second opinion. Could you take a look? Many thanks, Knitsey (talk) 17:30, 21 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello, this serves as an updated biography as on the official government website. Everything is factual. The new biography section condenses the former sections into one easier to read format.
 * Please let me know what steps have to be taken to certify that the photo is mine. I added it to Wiki Commons. Mee2022 (talk) 17:34, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
 * The photo can be found on the website https://www.worcestercountysheriff.com/ - which is listed as a source. Mee2022 (talk) 17:35, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @Mee2022, do you work for the worcester county sheriff's office? Valereee (talk) 17:45, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I work for the agency. Mee2022 (talk) 17:47, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @Mee2022, you'll need to declare your status as a paid editor on your user page, per WP:PAID. And unless you're Eric Eisner, that photo is not your own work? And the entire article is now a copyright violation from worcestercountysheriff.com per this analysis. We're going to have to remove basically everything. Valereee (talk) 17:55, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I am Eric Eisner. Mee2022 (talk) 17:57, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
 * That site simply took the information that was on the previous wiki page and published it on their own. Naturally, this is going to flag a copyright violation if I'm updating this section with similar information. Mee2022 (talk) 18:00, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
 * The site includes the following: "You may read full biography about Lewis Evangelidis from Wikipedia." Mee2022 (talk) 18:02, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
 * It was previously on here that "Lew Evangelidis is honored to serve as Sheriff in the largest county in Massachusetts with 60 towns and over 850,000 residents"? How very unlike us. There must have been some COI editing previously. Valereee (talk) 18:03, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Actually it looks like that was added by you today with this edit? Valereee (talk) 18:05, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Do you have any information on the statement I made regarding the copyright violation? Mee2022 (talk) 18:14, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
 * The template was broken, I fixed it. I don't think we actually have an article on the sheriff's office, but the statement can just be made for any subject we do have an article on. Valereee (talk) 18:20, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I would be happy to create one for the Sheriff's Office, however, I think it is best to take it one step at a time. I see the COI was added to my main page. Does that suffice for the paid contributor declaration? Mee2022 (talk) 18:23, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I never thought of looking for copyright violation as well. I will leave this with you Valereee unless you need me to full out a copyright violation report? Knitsey (talk) 17:56, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Knitsey, I'll limp along. I hate doing revdels, though, I'm totally bad at it. :) Valereee (talk) 18:00, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I will do the copyvio request. Knitsey (talk) 18:06, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Previous COI
 * And by User:WCSO2022 which were rev/del. Knitsey (talk) 18:30, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I've semi'd. Valereee (talk) 18:34, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

As requested
I analyzed the 20 hooks you've run from the beginning of 2021 up until now, starting with Football trafficking on 2021-02-07 until the latest in the run, Martin Pipe, on 2022-10-31. The 20 hooks were split equally between the lead and seven non-lead slots, for 10 imaged hooks and 10 non-imaged hooks. Quite remarkable :) out of the 10 non-imaged hooks, eight (80%) surpassed the median – only Hollis Taylor (138.8vph against a benchmark of 185.6) and Women's National Basketball Players Association (75.0vph against a benchmark of 204.7) didn't make the cut. Out of the 10 imaged hooks, all but one (90%) surpassed the median – the one in question being Lillian Eichler Watson (328.5vph against a benchmark of 474.6). 80% and 90% are absolutely fantastic, though – nice work! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 06:01, 22 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Omigosh, tlc, that's so kind of you to do that work! And that's not what I expected. I knew I occasionally had a pretty fun outcome, thought probably on average at might be above the mean (though I do tend to write about pretty obscure subjects) but I hadn't realized it was actually that far in that direction. Thank you! Valereee (talk) 13:04, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Global Alliance for Banking on Values
Notifying you of Articles for deletion/Global Alliance for Banking on Values, as I can see in the history that you've previously made an effort to salvage this mess. As per my comments in the AfD, this is an odd one—I instinctively feel that this is a topic on which Wikipedia should have an article (banks rely on their reputations, so any organization they sign up to is probably going to be legitimate), but I'm really finding no sources at all other than reprinted press releases and passing mentions in more general works on banking ethics. &#8209; Iridescent 07:58, 23 November 2022 (UTC)


 * I feel exactly the same. The organization feels like it must be notable, but there's not much out there, and I don't know why. Valereee (talk) 13:05, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Archive?
Does WT:ADAS need a bit of archiving? If so, what should I archive? &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 19:15, 23 November 2022 (UTC)


 * I've been trying to figure that out. I don't want to archive anything that, even if old, is still useful for other conversations. That's the kicker. :) Valereee (talk) 12:25, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

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November vacation
I was away for vacation in the U.S. - I hope you can enjoy pics a bit. Too many misunderstandings in words, I'm afraid. I love collaboration. - Happy travels, will do the same tomorrow. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:51, 17 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Oh, that's fun! Where were you in the US? I'm in the midwest, which is completely misnamed as it's actually the eastern half and northern half of the country.
 * I love collaboration, too. It's one of the things I like most about working here.
 * Yes, there are always misunderstanding when we communicate via text. And of course it's doubly hard whenever two people's first languages aren't the same. For the record, I think you're great. :) Valereee (talk) 12:55, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * thank you - click on November songs to find out where --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:09, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh, now I get it! Lol! I had just clicked on the photo. :D Valereee (talk) 15:42, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I've just returned from NYC area myself, was there for an overnight while travelling from Raleigh, North Carolina (in the US Southeast) to North Conway, New Hampshire (in New England, which is the US Northeast). On November 6th we were picnicking in North Conway in short sleeves; typically at that time of year that part of NH is experiencing its first snows. Valereee (talk) 18:44, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * small world, also first snow on the return trip :) - I remember Raleigh, lived there for three months, and seven years later they told me in New York (state) that I picked up my accent in the south --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:23, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Happy Thanksgiving - Bach said it in music for peace --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:48, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Gerda! It's a smallish group for us this year, just 10. At my sister-in-law's, so I'm just making rolls and a couple of sides, am starting on that now (along with a facetime with my daughter as I teach her how to make dinner rolls for the friendsgiving she'll go to).
 * And my SIL never will let me help cleaning up, which is mind-boggling to me as I used to do thanksgiving for 30 most years and she was always my main dishwasher, used to stand at the sink for an hour washing everything that couldn't go into the dishwasher which was all the china and all the crystal and all of the knives. I won the in-laws lottery. Valereee (talk) 17:52, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Sounds great! Learned a new abbr (SIL). Opera and Advent choral music on my talk, hopefully interesting --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:50, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

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DYK for Pigs in blankets
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:03, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

Re: BLP-N section name
I think many folk might get what you were intending, but I think you've used the wrong word there (DYAC) in the section name. Watts is a family annihilator, not a family nihilist. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 06:49, 6 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Yes, you're right. Valereee (talk) 13:39, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Stop immediately
Please stop edit-warring, or I'll be forced to submit a noticeboard complaint about it. Have a little patience and have the courage of your convictions - if you are completely sure you are right, WAIT until a consensus coalesces around that assertion. Edit-warring is just going to get you blocked. Again, stop immediately. This is the only TIME i will offer this warning. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 17:11, 6 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Jack, the ONUS is on the editor who wants to include, as we've told you repeatedly. I've claimed exemption from 3RR per potential BLP violation. Valereee (talk) 17:15, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I asked you politely to await the end of discussion. No one BUT YOU has suggested that this is BLPvio, and using it as a defense against 3RR isn't going to shield you from the consequences. I will suggest that you immediately self-revert and await the end of discussion, or other action will be taken. Please do not force me to take that step. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 17:19, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
 * If you want to self-revert, Valereee, I will happily reinstate the edit. Cheers. Dumuzid (talk) 17:20, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Dumuzid. I'll go do that now, in an effort to keep the peace. Valereee (talk) 17:21, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
 * @Dumuzid, I've done so, thanks. Valereee (talk) 17:23, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
 * And I'm telling you politely that the answer is no, I will not leave a potential BLP vio in the article while we are discussing whether it's appropriate to include. Valereee (talk) 17:20, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Valeree, I will direct you to WP:3RRNO, and ask you to pay particular attention to Number 7. To date you are the ONLY editor who is suggesting tha tthis is a BLPvio. This is the very last chance you are being generously offered to self-revert and trust that Wikipedia will sort the matter out. If you are right, you have nothing to fear; if you are wrong, you are facing being blocked. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 17:24, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I've reported it to BLPN. It's being discussed there; in the meantime, we remove. Valereee (talk) 17:25, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Too little, too late. You were warned no less than four times, by two different editors. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 17:42, 6 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Jack, I would respectfully suggest you heed Cullen's advice at BLPN. Dumuzid (talk) 17:47, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
 * @Jack Sebastian, sorry, where did I miss the second editor warning me? Valereee (talk) 17:52, 6 December 2022 (UTC)