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My story today is that 300 years ago, Bach became Thomaskantor, with BWV 75, writing music history. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:09, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

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WP:ANEW
Twinkle has a built in reporter for this, that even grabs warnings and the diffs of reverts and such. Sometimes you'll have to tidy a bit, but it's a lot easier than manually doing the template. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:21, 26 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Of course it does. Every time I eff something up, I learn Twinkle is the answer. :D Valereee (talk) 17:22, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Also, no need to bother right now, I already blocked for disruptive editing. I feel a week might be a little lenient, but I didn't want to escalate too much since their last block was a while ago. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:29, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

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Administrators' newsletter – July 2023
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Chess
You recently tagged the new (pretty clearly NN) article Wizard (chess) -- the same person created the (also pretty clearly NN) article Fool (chess) and the (maybe more promising) article Chessplus. I've been tempted to start an AfD on the Wizard article (my PROD was removed without any substantive justification, and this discussion didn't suggest I'm missing something), maybe I'll go do a bundled one with the Fool now. --JBL (talk) 17:27, 2 July 2023 (UTC)


 * I did a thing. --JBL (talk) 18:01, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

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Clarifying remarks
Valereee, i’ve never said that every article in a major city newspaper goes toward notability; and I haven’t seen that argued anywhere. I agree with Cbl62’s qualifying comment in the WP:AUD discussion you’ve replied to, that “The publication needs to be reliable and independent, and the coverage needs to be in depth.”. Reviews that comply with the policy stated in WP:RESTAURANTREVIEWS, or otherwise amount to SIGCOV, fulfil this criteria IMO Jack4576 (talk) 23:48, 3 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Sigcov, reliable, and independent are givens. Valereee (talk) 11:23, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I’m not sure what you mean
 * All reviews that meet WP:RESTAURANTREVIEWS are to be regarded as sigcov, as a matter of policy
 * its not a given that all major newspaper articles are SIGCOV if the mention is only in passing. They all meet WP:AUD, but the amount a subject is mentioned within the source is also an important matter
 * Jack4576 (talk) 16:15, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

WikiCup 2023 July newsletter
The third round of the 2023 WikiCup has come to an end. The 16 users who made it to the fourth round had at least 175 points. Our top scorers in round 3 were:


 * Thebiguglyalien, with 919 points from a featured article on Frances Cleveland as well as five good articles and many reviews,
 * Unlimitedlead, with 862 points from a high-scoring featured articles on Henry II of England and numerous reviews,
 * Iazyges, with 560 points from a high-scoring featured article on Tiberius III.

Contestants achieved 11 featured articles, 2 featured lists, 47 good articles, 72 featured or good article reviews, over 100 DYKs and 40 ITN appearances. As always, any content promoted after the end of round 3 but before the start of round 4 can be claimed in round 4. Please also remember that you must claim your points within 14 days of "earning" them. When doing GARs, please make sure that you check that all the GA criteria are fully met. Please also remember that all submissions must meet core Wikipedia policies, regardless of the review process.

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enjoybrowser557 back as wikicoverings11111?
hi, you were the blocking admin of. he seems to be back as, with the same editing pattern, the same broken english, the same ridiculous teahouse questions, and the same userpage format. seems like a duck to me. can you block? lettherebedarklight晚安 08:51, 15 July 2023 (UTC)


 * @Lettherebedarklight Hey there, not trying to be uncivil, but I’m not the same person as the other. I do not own multiple accounts, so I’m a great relatively a newcomer on Wikipedia. And I’m neither an alt account nor created alt account. Just because I have many similar edits to the other in your opinion doesn’t really mean that I’m the same person as the other. I have different bio and interests. So please do not block me again. Or report me. I make edits to these articles. ~ WikiCoverings11111 (message) 09:17, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Also, you can not spot me as an alt. The duck test is very ineffective because different user have extremely different usernames, so you shall never detect editing patterns, because these accounts are separate from each other. ~ WikiCoverings11111 (message) 09:22, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * And no, I don’t have the same editing patterns as the other. ~ WikiCoverings11111 (message) 09:23, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * It's weird, all right. Let me get some coffee in me. Valereee (talk) 10:37, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Read the replies by me. ~ WikiCoverings11111 (message) 10:57, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * The replies by you are kind of silly, WC. How in the world did you even find this page? Valereee (talk) 11:22, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * For me, I found out the discussion because I searched one of the Lettherebedarklight contributions and he asked the admin to block me for recognition of the other, when in fact, this is unrelated due to the reason I really never have similar edit to other users, the reason why I deleted messages on you talk page. I never knew that he is going to report me to an admin, this is the reason why I quickly react this situation by deleting the section about possible recognition about me. ~ WikiCoverings11111 (message) 11:33, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @Valereee Just again, I do NOT really want to blocked on Wikipedia and put tags on me. In my opinion, I don’t like being blocked at all on this website. ~ WikiCoverings11111 (message) 11:36, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * how did you find my contributions? lettherebedarklight晚安 11:46, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * By clicking on the contrib button behind the talk page, also I use the mobile platform instead of desktop. ~ WikiCoverings11111 (message) 11:56, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * and why did you do so? lettherebedarklight晚安 12:04, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Because I don’t want to risk myself getting blocked on Wikipedia, and being accused for this problem too, this time, I’m going to inactive for while until further notice. ~ WikiCoverings11111 (message) 12:12, 15 July 2023 (UTC)


 * I'm just going to watch for a while. Valereee (talk) 12:02, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * If you would so… ~ WikiCoverings11111 (message) 12:15, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Revival Vintage Bottle Shop
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re: MIAJudges
Honestly, Valereee, if you get a straight answer out of them on the Garnett edit, that'll be the first one. Between this, their other misrepresentations, the alternate account thing, and now the off-wiki canvassing for their Village Pump proposal, the noise-to-signal ratio is what has me so exasperated. Good fortune getting something beyond another iteration of "This isn't about me!!!"   Ravenswing     12:03, 17 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it's starting to look like a CIR issue, frankly. Valereee (talk) 12:27, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

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Appeal
Long time no see. Sorry to bother you and sorry about the weird post. I was really frustrated with Wikipedia and I guess I had to take out my frustration somewhere. But I’m trying to appeal my (ancient) topic ban. Do you think [Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Kurds this] was actually ok? You were there. That was just a WP:WITCHHUNT and that's how I got topic banned. I don’t know how that’s ok. Otherwise, I could just go to the administrators noticeboard and find all your bad edits and get you banned. Thepharoah17 (talk) 21:20, 23 July 2023 (UTC)


 * @Thepharoah17, I'm assuming you're using "I" and "you" in the generic sense, as in "Anyone could just go to the administrators' noticeboard and find all of someone's bad edits and get them banned"? ANI is for handling behavior problems, which disruptive editing is part of, so yes, if that's what you're asking, that's what ANI is actually meant to be for.
 * You've broken that link, I think you must mean this. It was a long time ago, but IIRC, it was an attempt to stop disruption at articles surrounding the Kurds because there was so much ongoing disruption in those topics at that time.
 * It's been 2.5 years since your t-ban, and almost that long since the only time you violated it, so yes, you could try an appeal. I think you might have to do it at arbitration enforcement noticeboard since it was placed by the arbitration committee. Valereee (talk) 12:20, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Revival Vintage Bottle Shop
Why not add an image to the nomination? --evrik (talk) 21:51, 26 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Hey, @Evrik! I didn't think any of the images were good enough -- which one did you think was compelling at size? Valereee (talk) 22:13, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh, wow, @Evrik! That is professional quality! Yeah, we could totally add that to replace either of the photos currently in the article. Are you in NKy? Valereee (talk) 22:27, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm finding a very similar image on the internet? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 22:32, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I got it from the store. The owner took it himself. There should be an OTRS ticket, but it has not been processed yet. --evrik (talk) 22:35, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * okay, so we gotta wait until that's processed to use it anywhere significant, but that should work :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 22:40, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * The file says copyright to Gnome Creative, which is a food and drink photographer in Cincinnati. We need to get them to upload it, probably. Valereee (talk) 14:39, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Women in Red August 2023
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Hey,, just thought we might as well discuss further here instead of there so that maybe someone can close that discussion as resolved without any action being necessary.

Honestly, I could not disagree more that an admin should just shrug and move on when they encounter someone behaving badly who then then pushes back repeatedly on whether the behavior is even problematic. I consider it part of my job to try to actually fix behavior issues rather than ignore them. And it's part of the job that other admin should be doing, too, and if they don't even recognize the behavior as bad, how can they ever hope to help fix that behavior? He ended up by striking the comment, which is all he was being asked to do in the first place. And maybe having seen enough people thought the behavior wasn't cool was what convinced him to do that, and maybe he'll be more careful in future. So isn't that a win for everyone? And neither of things would have happened if I hadn't brought it to ANI because before that, he still thought he was right.

fixing ping. Valereee (talk) 09:22, 23 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Well look, it's very easy for me to opine on this subject without having the same community obligations that you do as an admin, so take my perspective with a grain of salt. And indeed, I've said things substantially parallel to what you are saying above myself in the thread: I really do think that it's for the better if Steven is taking the feedback there to heart.  And certainly do not let me be mistaken for not respecting your decision to intervene to defend the rank and file editor in the first instance: I very much think that was the right thing to do.  I just have a hard time imagining myself bringing such a matter to ANI on the basis of an AGF violation that straddled the line between permissible and impermissible observations about the strategic procedural aims of another community member, and that's just the honest truth.  But here's the thing: I've never brought anyone to ANI, despite observing some truly ghastly behaviour when it comes to WP:CIV.  I just have never taken that step.  So quite arguably I am not the person to set the reasonable threshold by.


 * That said, I do think there are occasions where it might not work out nearly so well as it did here: for example, if the reported party was not, even after the report, willing to reconsider their position even to the extent Steven did here. And instead they embrace an IDHT perspective.  And because there is no brightline policy violation, they can't be sanctioned, and perhaps they have a personality type that causes them to walk away from such an exchange feeling emboldened to continue to speculate on the motivations of other editors, and argue the rhetorical opposition rather than the point. But I'll grant you that is a speculative scenario versus at least one real one which turned out alright with your course of action, so you are entitled to be satisfied that you pursued the right course of action here if that is how you see it.


 * Even so, I do have one more point I should like to share: I said what I said not just because I believed it was valid reasoning/an honest appraisal of what I would and would not do in the situation, but also because when summarizing a dispute, it is helpful to point out factors that favor and disfavor various parties / initial responding community members, if you can do so without being disingenuous: it helps to demonstrate that no one is ever really a perfect party in such discussions and helps parties feel less besieged and more willing to try to see where they might have altered their own conduct if they don't feel all the blame for the situation landing as it is being heaped upon them.


 * But again, it's super easy for me to do that as both a non-mop and a previously un-involved party evaluating matters after the fact. What you did was within what I would call fair discretion for any community member, and if you feel it was particularly necessary given your administrative obligation, I'm neither properly qualified to argue with my lack of similar positioning, nor inclined to judge your administrative exercise in that respect. Sno<b style="color:#b2dffe;">w</b><b style="color:#B27EB2;">Rise</b><b style="color:#d4143a"> let's rap</b> 14:48, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Taking it to ANI means if the reported party was not, even after the report, willing to reconsider their position even to the extent etc., that would be seen by multiple other editors, and if the problem happened again and again and again, it actually could be sanctionable, and because of it going to ANI and multiple other editors seeing it, it means someone might actually do something about it. So again, IMO constructive. Ignoring a problem seldom helps fix it, and calling it to the attention of others often means it eventually gets fixed even if, despite trying, you've failed to fix it yourself. Valereee (talk) 20:45, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Talk page
Hello, I’ve added on the talk page of seaside resort and would like to hear your views if possible please. My proposal is to include city along with town, village and hotel on seaside resorts page. Thank you. 78.86.133.37 (talk) 18:30, 28 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your work valereee, i appreciate your help. 78.86.133.37 (talk) 19:49, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! Valereee (talk) 22:11, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

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