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Analysis vs evidence
Regarding [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3AArbitration%2FRequests%2FCase%2FSmallCat_dispute%2FEvidence&diff=1168906586&oldid=1168906020 this comment]: in my view, things that happened are evidence; explanation of context is analysis. I realize, though, that many submitters of evidence don't make a clear distinction, and much analysis does get submitted as evidence. As you have already commented on the subject at hand in the workshop, do you think you need to expand more on this? It could be added to your existing comment. isaacl (talk) 21:17, 5 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hey, Isaacl. Yeah, I know the comments are already at workshop, but IMO workshop is just a way for ArbCom to divert all the squabbling. Are they even required to read that stuff? Valereee (talk) 21:20, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Depends what you mean by "required". As I recall an arbitrator saying somewhat recently, typically the drafting arbitrators read everything. Other arbitrators may read less and follow up less with the submitted diffs, based on time and interest. Personally I feel that sober, undramatic analysis will likely be read. I don't think the probability is altered by being submitted on the evidence page. It would probably help to be placed in a separate section than within a discussion thread. isaacl (talk) 22:14, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh, no argument that arbs aren't well-intentionedly reading. It's just a lot. Valereee (talk) 23:13, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

Smriti Irani
Does this need a rev/del? The last bit is of concern. Thanks, Knitsey (talk) 21:14, 7 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Think I got it, thanks! Valereee (talk) 21:18, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you Knitsey (talk) 21:21, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

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Immediate action needed against user: Betty Logan
Hi there, I have pinged you into a discussion concerning the recent conduct of user Betty Logan. I would appreciate if you could take immediate action. Many thanks. Richie wright1980 (talk) 17:05, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Because someone will inevitably take it seriously if I say it there
I do the first two things, and then find the most plausible-sounding sockmaster I can pin each user on. -- Tamzin  &#91;cetacean needed&#93; (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 19:09, 14 August 2023 (UTC)


 * That's because you're brilliant. And also hilarious. Also probably spend less time drunk and/or watching tripe on TV. Valereee (talk) 19:14, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

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TLC RfA
Just out of curiosity, why did you delete my comment, and what part of what I wrote was a personal attack, and how was it "trolling?" I indicated that person appeared to me to be doing it intentionally to disrupt the RfA (i.e., not to stop the snowball pass, but to get the other editors all amped up just to watch the chaos). And I suggested to not encourage this kind of behavior by feeding into it. It's me... Sallicio!$\color{Red} \oplus$ 15:13, 17 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hey, @Sallicio. Calling someone a troll is a personal attack. And your comment in a fresh section entitled "Mission complete" seemed to be just as likely to stir things up as the oppose did, which is why to me it looked like trolling.
 * Honestly your new comment, I'm going to just leave there as you seem to be really intent on making a comment, but it feels like you're saying, "This person intended to troll us and succeeded! So let's not feed the trolls!" Which kind of looks like continued feeding, if that oppose was intentional trolling. Valereee (talk) 15:32, 17 August 2023 (UTC)


 * The thing is, we all know what's going on with the guy. An elementary knowledge of what RfAs are about, and a two-second search on this guy will tell you what his motives are. But even with that, everyone has a right to an opinion, short of actual personal attacks or patent nonsense. And when you said "This person intended to troll us and succeeded! So let's not feed the trolls," that's exactly what I was saying. And they did succeed, but the intent of what I wrote was two-fold: 1) to let the opposer know we know what's going on and to knock it off, and 2) (and more importantly) to encourage the peanut gallery to put their peanuts back in their pockets because they are just encouraging this kind of non-productive behavior. If someone is acting troll-ish, calling them out is not a personal attack. And discouraging others from feeding into the nonsense is not feeding the trolls. I put it in another subsection as a kind-of "alright, enough's enough... this is the end of the feeding frenzy." And TBH, others before me called the person a troll; they just used euphemisms. So I reworded my original comment so the opposer wouldn't be offended, and for clarification. I'll be more judicious next time. It's me... Sallicio!$\color{Red} \oplus$ 16:11, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * But if they're actually trolling, you fed them by telling them they succeeded.
 * It's fine to say behavior is or seems like trolling. That's describing behavior. It's not fine to call a person a troll. That's a personal attack. You can say "your assertion is not true." Saying "you're a liar" is a personal attack. Valereee (talk) 16:18, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The trolling was very apparent wayyy before I made a comment. lol. When I said he succeeded at trolling, that was aimed more at the peanut gallery to let them know they fed into the nonsense. Almost like "damn, look at all this back-and-forth.. we did feed right into that." But I do understand what you're trying to say, that's why I said I would be more judicious in the future. Anyway, back to work I go. Cheers! It's me... Sallicio!$\color{Red} \oplus$ 16:27, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Determining cohort year for administrators
Regarding [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3AWikipedia_Signpost%2F2023-08-15%2FSpecial_report&diff=1170848249&oldid=1170832500 ths comment]: out of curiosity, once upon a time I had started collecting some stats on when administrators passed various edits per year thresholds. Partway through I also started looking at a proxy for discussion-related edits per year. I think some combination of passing thresholds in either of these categories might serve as a first approximation of when an editor has reached a baseline level of engagement with the community. However, I think given the sharp dropoff in editors receiving administrative privileges, this analysis is only going to alter the numbers slightly—since 2014, no more than 22 editors have become admins in any given year, compared with no fewer than 121 in 2009 and earlier. isaacl (talk) 17:14, 17 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Oh, definitely. There's no question that there are fewer RfAs in any given year. It's just that we're at a point where the sample size is so small, counting someone as class of X starts to look like it's important, when it may not be.
 * One of the other things WSC and I discussed was the fact that in, for example 2005, it would have been actually impossible to have a account creation>RfA gap of more than four years. In 2023, it could be 20 years. Valereee (talk) 17:23, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, over time the numbers for recent cohort years are subject to rising upward. While I still think the cohort numbers would be interesting, I didn't continue with collecting stats as I didn't think it would add much to the conversation regarding the need to have a healthy inflow of new admins, and would just distract people into arguing over the threshold criteria. isaacl (talk) 17:28, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Proposed decision posted for the SmallCat dispute case
The proposed decision in the SmallCat dispute has been posted. You are invited to review this decision and draw the arbitrators' attention to any relevant material or statements. Comments may be brought to the attention of the committee on the proposed decision talk page. For the Arbitration Committee, Dreamy Jazz talk to me &#124; my contributions 10:53, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Just wanted to check in and talk
Hey, I'm wondering how you've been doing. I have turned to the Teahouse for guidance and so far the edit requests are doing..... well just ok. I am glad some of my entries have made it so far. Thomasthedarkenguine (talk) 22:51, 22 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Answered at your talk. Valereee (talk) 14:54, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

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Arbitration
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DYK for Revival Vintage Bottle Shop
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 * Wow, that's an amazing number for that slot! Valereee (talk) 12:47, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

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Help with personal attack
Any chance you could remove this personal attack: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dancing_with_the_Stars_(American_season_32)&diff=prev&oldid=1175829598 This is a persistent sockpuppet with a history of personal attacks toward me. Thank you. Bgsu98  (Talk)  19:21, 17 September 2023 (UTC)


 * I've removed. Is this a sockpuppet we can identify? Valereee (talk) 19:27, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I believe it is User:ZestyLemonz. Bgsu98   (Talk)  19:45, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Hm, that account last edited six years ago, so really no way to prove it other than with behavioral evidence. If that IP drops by again, LMK. Valereee (talk) 19:55, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, but that is the root account and has had multiple sockpuppet accounts since, including very recently. Check out their SPI archive. Bgsu98   (Talk)  20:05, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you, by the way! Bgsu98   (Talk)  20:05, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see you've already reported it to SPI, good job. Sorry you're having this person following you around. Valereee (talk) 20:08, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
 * They're back. Special:Contributions/2A00:23EE:1650:2FA5:8116:1007:9023:CE7A Bgsu98   (Talk)  00:41, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

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Women in Green GA Editathon October 2023 - Around the World in 31 Days
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Running from October 1 to 31, 2023, WikiProject Women in Green (WiG) is hosting a Good Article (GA) edit-a-thon event with the theme Around the World in 31 Days! All experience levels welcome. Never worked on a GA project before? We'll teach you how to get started. Or maybe you're an old hand at GAs – we'd love to have you involved! Participants are invited to work on nominating and/or reviewing GA submissions related to women and women's works (e.g., books, films) during the event period. We hope to collectively cover article subjects from at least 31 countries (or broader international articles) by month's end. GA resources and one-on-one support will be provided by experienced GA editors, and participants will have the opportunity to earn a special WiG barnstar for their efforts.

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WikiCup 2023 September newsletter
The fourth round of the competition has finished, with anyone scoring less than 673 points being eliminated. It was a high scoring round with all but one of the contestants who progressed to the final having achieved an FA during the round. The highest scorers were


 * Epicgenius, with 2173 points topping the scores, gained mainly from a featured article, 38 good articles and 9 DYKs. He was followed by
 * Sammi Brie, with 1575 points, gained mainly from a featured article, 28 good articles and 50 good article reviews. Close behind was
 * Thebiguglyalien, with 1535 points mainly gained from a featured article, 15 good articles, 26 good article reviews and lots of bonus points.

Between them during round 4, contestants achieved 12 featured articles, 3 featured lists, 3 featured pictures, 126 good articles, 46 DYK entries, 14 ITN entries, 67 featured article candidate reviews and 147 good article reviews. Congratulations to our eight finalists and all who participated! It was a generally high-scoring and productive round and I think we can expect a highly competitive finish to the competition.

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Fergalicious
I'm not sure if this matters, apologies if it's not a problem. looks to be new user. User page states new account rules. I'm not too familiar with alt accounts. Is it correct that as long as it is declared and both accounts don't edit the same article, then it is OK? Thanks, Knitsey (talk) 14:04, 28 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Hey, @Knitsey! Yeah, it's a bit of an overreaction on their part to make a WP:fresh start after 135 edits and three complaints on their talk, but as long as they actually abandon the old account -- and as you say, don't edit the same articles or discussions -- it's fine. Valereee (talk) 14:29, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I thought it was OK with conditions. I appreciate you checking. Knitsey (talk) 14:30, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Women in Red October 2023
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Query
Hello, Valereee,

I see you are active right now on the project so I have a request. Could you review and, hopefully, delete Coca Vango? I handle a lot of PROD'd articles but I tagged this one so it is not appropriate for me to delete it and none of the other admins who regularly patrol Proposed Deletions seems to be active lately. Thanks for looking over this one.

Have a great weekend! Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 17:26, 30 September 2023 (UTC)


 * ✅, and you have a great weekend too! I shouldn't be editing, I should be out enjoying the beautiful weather we're having, but I got caught up in one of my typical editing frenzies at Jeanne Voltz. :D Valereee (talk) 17:31, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks
...for taking care of. I was getting lost in the weeds of trying to figure out if those redirects really qualified for CSD, and if there were any LTAs that it matched up with--I appreciate you cutting the Gordian knot. :) (though in my defense, the one thing I didn't see was what they wrote on their own talk page, which probably would've made the decisions easier...) Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 15:41, 1 October 2023 (UTC)


 * I was just like...no one older than fifteen would search on those, and then only to see if they'd actually redirect to something so they can sit and giggle with their friends. And then the silliness at Teahouse, and everything else I spotchecked looked pretty silly :) Valereee (talk) 15:44, 1 October 2023 (UTC)