User talk:Valized

Jill Kelly of Pomona
Why did you revert my addition of Jill Kelly to the list of notable people of Pomona? Her Wikipedia bio is evidence that she's notable, and there are plenty of sources which say she was born in Pomona.—Stepheng3 (talk) 05:11, 9 January 2015 (UTC) It is arbitary who or who isn't included in the notable people section of a city. I looked and didn't find where she spent any formidable years in Pomona. For all we know, she was born at the hospital (one of the largest in the area) and that's it. But for Mark McGwire, he was born in Pomona and attended the local Catholic elementary school and played sports in Pomona, along with his brothers. So it's reasonable he's connected to the city and I feel its appropriate he be incuded in this section. Singer Ben Harper was born in Pomona but he is listed in the notable section of Claremont, CA. Mistake? Who knows, I'll check it out. But Pomona suffers enough with its image due to crime despite the character, history and the fact that is a wonderful place to live. I've been here all my life and I love this city, warts and all.
 * I agree that clear, uniformly-applied standards for who is to be included under "Notable people" would be a good thing. In the majority of the city articles I've seen, having a bio and some verifiable connection to the place is all that's required.  I don't think we should go setting a higher bar for this article without good reason.  Secondarily, neutral point of view is one of Wikipedia's core content policies.  If your love for the city overrides your ability to maintain a neutral point of view, then perhaps you should refrain from editing the article and direct your efforts elsewhere.  Finally, I request that you sign your talk page edits to help keep the discussion clear.—Stepheng3 (talk) 01:10, 12 January 2015 (UTC)Then we should be listing every porn actor/actress, their accolades because you say a low bar is good enough.  What is your connection to Pomona, anyway?  I've given you enough of a valid reason why this person that you are so much a fan of deserves a mention in this article.  By your rationale, I could put every undesirable crime, person or anything else I deem appropriate in your county, city, etc.  This is an open system - but it is generally accepted that as decent people, we need to decide how much latitude contributors should give to one another.  I won't disparage your town, or troll your entries.  I have a better idea: set standard for "notables" or just delete the section altogether.  I may do that for Pomona, since there are no standards of city content.  Let's not make this a war of entries or pet peeves or porn star worship.  Be nice.
 * Wikipedia already has established standard of behavior, which I try to follow. I believe I'm being nice by trying to help you learn how Wikipedia operates.
 * I have no connection with Pomona, nor have I any connection with Jill Kelly. I am not a fan of the city or the actress, nor have I any reason or desire to disparage either of them.  I am trying to apply the standards for inclusion which are typical for the "Notable people" sections of articles about US cities. Note that the basic standard for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not "decency" or the preferences of any individual editor.  In other words, Wikipedia is not censored. I agree that the "Notable people" section of this article, like many others, is in need of some bold editing, but Kelly's entry in the list has already been edited to a higher standard than many of the other.
 * Again, please sign your posts per the instructions; it will make this discussion much easier to follow. —Stepheng3 (talk) 03:13, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
 * It's starting to seem like the best way to get you to continue this conversation is to revert your edits. Surely that's not what you want.
 * From my point of view, Kelly seems just as notable and just as connected to Pomona as, say Jessica Alba. Both are actresses who were born in Pomona.  While Alba has only 50 film credits, Kelly has 344.  Both have been involved in controversial projects.  Objectively, if we include Alba, we should include Kelly.  If your only reason for removing Kelly from the list is that you disapprove of her and are ashamed of her association with Pomona, then it seems to me you are imposing your personal bias on the encyclopedia.  In that case, I feel quite justified in adding her back onto the list.
 * However, an ongoing edit war is not in anyone's best interest. Perhaps it would help to move this discussion to Talk:Pomona, California where we might attract a third opinion to help us resolve this content dispute.—Stepheng3 (talk) 19:39, 13 January 2015 (UTC)