User talk:Vanamonde93/Archive 8

May I ask you for your help?
Hi Vanamonde93,.. I am a student, and now I'm doing a research about Wikipedia as a free encyclopedia, especially how the encyclopedia help people with the right information.

As you know, I'm a new user in Wikipedia and I cannot make a big decision to edit an article. I've just read some article. And because I'm from Indonesia, I checked a company form Indonesia and searched Djarum article. But, i found something wrong on that article. On "product" section there's a picture on domestic "product". But the picture is wrong, it's Djarum Black international not a domestic product.

So, may I ask you for your help? May I delete this picture? Is it allowed? Or can you as an editor delete the picture? Thank you before.--Hesedandemet (talk) 03:15, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Hesedandemet, welcome to Wikipedia. That's an interesting issue that you have flagged. I took a look, and it's not just the image: "Djarum Black" is listed as a domestic product as well. You could simply remove both image and entry: but what would be a lot better would be to find a reliable source showing that Djarum Black is only sold internationally, and move it to the "international" section by citing that source. Regards, Vanamonde (talk) 04:30, 9 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Vanamonde93 Okay then, thank you for your information. I've tried to upload one image to Wikipedia, but it's not allowed for new user. So what am I supposed to do? Thank you. --Hesedandemet (talk) 08:01, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Hesedandemet: One thing you could do is to just stick around and keep editing until you've been here long enough :) if that's too slow, I'm sure you could find a willing editor at the WP:Help desk or WP:Teahouse. I don't do any image work myself, so I'd rather not get into it right now. Oh, and you don't need to link my name here, this is my talk page after all; it's only necessary elsewhere (no big deal, just fyi). Cheers, Vanamonde (talk) 15:03, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Ooo okay, I will trying to edit more article and learn more about Wikipedia. Thank you for your help :) --Hesedandemet (talk) 09:28, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Reception section
Thanks for not taking offence at my reorganization of the reception section; as you said, it was essentially all your language, just resequenced. I think this sort of section is often a problem in Wikipedia articles on books and music, and I've been meaning to write an essay about it for a while. Would you mind if I used this essay as an example, quoting the before and after? One reason I'd like to use this particular case is that you're a good writer. It's easy to find cases where bad writers do sub-optimal reception sections, but I think some very good writers stumble too, and I'd rather use a good writer as an example. (Actually I'm thinking of using a much worse example too, but rather than embarrass the editor in question I will probably anonymize the text.) The essay would say, essentially, "Reception sections are hard and even good writers often make them listy; here's a before and after; here's how to go about rewriting this sort of thing". Let me know -- and it's no problem if you'd prefer I didn't. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 10:30, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Mike Christie: go for it, I've no objections. As I said, I've struggled with this problem myself, and such an essay would be useful to have. Essentially, I found that I was dealing with sources that all had a coherent organization of their own, but I had to pull apart their content and reorganize it in a way that was appropriate to Wikipedia: and even though I recognized this stumbling block, I couldn't quite make it across. Thanks for for the kind words about my writing. Vanamonde (talk) 11:23, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'll let you know when I have something in good enough shape to look at. Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 13:04, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

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Some baklava for you!

 * GAB: No worries, I've made that mistake myself on occasion. Cheers, Vanamonde (talk) 03:28, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

DYK for The Dowry of the Angyar
— Maile (talk) 12:21, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for getting this on the main page. The story entranced me when I read it years ago and I've thought of it since, but I couldn't remember the title. Jonathunder (talk) 17:13, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah, you're most welcome. I find that so much of Le Guin's early Hainish fiction really sticks with me, and this is the earliest of it...Vanamonde (talk) 17:25, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

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RiskAoA review
Vana, RiskAoA is being considered for deletion, would you mind reviewing it and contributing your 2 cents worth? you seem to have your ducks in a row. Thanks, GESICC (talk) 03:24, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
 * GESICC: I don't believe we have interacted before, and I'm not an expert on this subject, so to be entirely honest I am not sure why you are contacting me. Nonetheless, I took a look: and I'm struggling to find evidence of notability. I'll look some more, but at this rate it looks like I'm going to have to go delete on this one. I would also suggest that you read WP:TLDR; that discussion page is buried under walls of text, and that's not something many people take kindly to. Cheers, Vanamonde (talk) 05:06, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I appreciate your effort. I don't know what other kind of news or notability it could possibly get myself, it's developed, released, used, what more is there to write? "RiskAoA continues to do it's job." ?  LOL, not much of a headline.  Certainly not in a non-DoD journal, either.  Anyway, thanks.  GESICC (talk) 13:14, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry about the WP:TLDR, but I'd hoped the article would stand on it's own, unburdening you. GESICC (talk) 13:16, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of The Word for World Is Forest
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Requests for adminship/Vanamonde93
Alright, answer the three questions, accept and transclude and we're away....cheers, Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:14, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Happy to add a co-nom if you want one Vanamonde93. --regentspark (comment) 14:41, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes indeed, regentspark, with many thanks. I hadn't forgotten your offer, it's just that Cas had some legitimate points that he wished me to address. Cas Liber thanks muchly. @both: I'll answer the questions right away; just wondering, though, if we should wait until Thursday night UTC to transclude, because I will have an unavoidable 36-hour absence just before then? Regards, Vanamonde (talk) 16:33, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Also, Cas: One quick correction: I have nearly 24,000 edits: 12,500 is my mainspace count. Though I'd much rather I be judged on substance than numbers, I think enough people grant enough importance to it that we need to be accurate...Vanamonde (talk) 16:42, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Yer right - looking at wrong stats...Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 02:28, 23 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Yeah. Wait till after that gap. Just answer and transclude when you're ready. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 02:32, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you

 * Many thanks, MHossein, it is appreciated: thanks also for sticking with me. regards, Vanamonde (talk) 17:26, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of Vaster than Empires and More Slow
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 * One more reason for the Indie lot to oppose you dammit... Why can't you be careful... :) You've handled the Rfa well and for that, my personal applause to you. See you around. Lourdes  01:15, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah well at least I didn't make a mistake with a page number or something, they would really have been after me for that...thank you, that is appreciated. Vanamonde (talk) 05:05, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

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Your username - this is a quip, not a serious comment
I am aware of the derivation of the name Vanamonde, having been a Clarke reader since the year dot. But while Vanamonde may perhaps have analogues, they are not specified in the City and the Stars. Where are the other 91?--Anthony Bradbury"talk" 15:22, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Anthony Bradbury: the "93" is derived not from Clarke but from RL. I had a copy bought in that year. Incidentally, I first came across Vanamonde not in City and the Stars, but in Against the Fall of Night. IMHO it is a marginally better volume :) Cheers, Vanamonde (talk) 15:31, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
 * OK; both are, of course ,the same story, with City being an expansion of Fall. It might be seen as better; as you will be aware, A C Clarke shared with John Wyndham a difficulty in actually finishing his stories in a satisfactory way. --Anthony Bradbury"talk" 15:36, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes indeed I'm aware of that: having read both multiple times, though, I prefer the earlier volume. You're certainly right about the inability to finish, particularly with Clarke. The novels of his that I've read (and I've read a good few) have tended to be a detailed and engrossing picture, but without too much plot to go with it...Vanamonde (talk) 16:13, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I read "rendezvous with Rama which failed properly to finish; and the sequels, which also stopped in the middle ("The Ramans always did things in threes"). "Childhood's end"" is one of the rare ones with a satisfactory finish.--Anthony Bradbury"talk" 20:13, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
 * True. The Fountains of Paradise is another such, as were some of the space odysseys...Rendezvous with Rama is one of my personal favorites, to be honest; while you're right that it doesn't finish, just the nature of that idea (that ET would enter our system and then proceed to ignore humanity) was one that I found powerful. Vanamonde (talk) 20:19, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
 * WP:JAGUAR comment: Thanks for this little thread. This finally puts a name ("failure to finish satisfactorily", to paraphrase) for something I could never quite peg about why I couldn't get deeply into Clarke's work, despite the clear genius of much of it.  Had kind of the opposite problem as Tolkien; The Lord of the Rings seems to effectively have about 7 endings, like someone had a gun to his head and made him keep writing.  I disagree with Jackson & co. dropping the Scouring of the Shire from the film verseion, since as JRRT himself said, it was actually instrumental to the overall point of the work, but I guess they felt at least one ending had to go.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  10:04, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

COI and OUTING
Just as some general discussion points, I'll brain-dump this here, though there are more cogent multi-editor threads about this stuff at the policy pages and in various noticeboards and their archives. There's been a of hair-pulling about this policy conflict. Without even looking for examples, I keep running into conflicting administrative approaches, like I've run across people getting no warning at all for blatant, questionable-faith outing, just the edit redacted, in contrast to a hugely constructive editor being indeffed (briefly) for alleged outing that many of us, including admins, do no believe was outing; and half a dozen other back-and-forth interpretations and actions that I've noticed just reading around the last few days (some of the actions were older, of course). There's been been years of no qualms about WP:MEAT being exposed (including by admins) by noting the occurrence of a post in some off-WP specialist forum about a WP debate being immediately followed by a tide of "new editors" all supporting someone's proposal (or opposition to one), yet just two days ago I saw a very long-term oversighter insist that anything even vaguely like this is definitely outing, no matter what, citing policy for their interpretation but blatantly ignoring another part of the same policy that indicates their interpretation is extremist. If you'd had the time to dig into this the way you did with the infobox and GamerGate question, you might have seen a bunch of this stuff, too, and answered more in the "consensus seems to be in flux about this, so I might raise the issue at a noticeboard" approach, though I think your answer was okay, and I'm not lobbying you in any way to change it. (And maybe you did see it and it didn't affect your opinion or projected approach; I don't read minds of course.)

The principal quasi-issue I had with your #18 answer was the assumption of outing: Linking to a forum in which Company A solicited paid editing, later marked as done, and noting that these two events bookend the appearance here of an iffy article on Company A, should not be treated as outing in my view, unless the page in question reveals personally identifiable information about the apparent accepter of payment, that could pertain to the suspected COI editor on WP. If all it shows is some pseudonym like SnorkelWeasel99 accepting the work, then it seems extremely questionable to me that any outing has occurred, and I know a lot of the community would agree with this interpretation. Otherwise, probably hundreds of editors could have been blocked for "outing" in various MEAT, SOCK, and COI investigations, even HARASS ones involving off-WP actions. There's also the scenario where "JaclynBC" edits the article on Company A, and its website indicates that the PR officer of the company is one Jaclyn Byers-Corbett or whatever; it's highly questionable that people editing under their complete or partial but obvious real names can make a legit claim to being outed when their name is prominently associated with the subject. And so on. In this kind of case, I could have been blocked myself, for pointing out that someone editing an article on a new-religious movement was using as a user ID here essentially the same name as the founder of the NRM. As a former professional privacy activist, I take privacy (both ethically and legally) with much more seriousness than the average person, and I can tell you that many of the more extreme views on WP about outing are completely unworkable and not grounded in anything.

It's going to take time to sort this out in policy. Right now, in the wake of the really iffy block (since undone) of Jytdog, the pendulum has swung to the extreme side, but this cannot hold, since it will enable a gaming wave of epic proportions and hamstring the efforts against paid and organized PoV editing. See my user-page for my infrequent micro-newsletter that's mostly about this; I consider it the #1 threat to WP's long-term viability. The more important WP becomes as an information source, the greater the incentive and stakes for manipulating its content, including very "long-game" "civil-PoV" conspiracy, by everything from racist groups to national governments – even aside from all the "write an article about my own company" people who are a more frequent and trivial thorn. In the end, we're going to have to distinguish between connecting "I'll pay you to write about my company" job offers, that happen to include a pseudonymous username, from attempts to track down people's real names; and distinguish outing editors who are not public figures versus observing the clear fact that a COI editor either is a public figure or is masquerading as one. We can't even enforce the policy against impersonation properly under the present, temporarily nuts-o interpretation of OUTING that has arisen over the last month or so, with dicey changes being made to that page while discussion is still quite on-going. We also have the problem that WP:ASPERSIONS requires proof of allegation, so even dealing with sockpuppets and COI editors more generally would be hamstrung (that page is tagged as an essay, but as an operating principle it's de facto policy, regularly enforced by ArbCom and AE, especially with regard to any WP:AC/DS topic). Policy adjustments will surely have to be grounded in standard, established approaches to privacy (various terms of art and well-covered concepts: reasonable expectation of privacy, public figure, personally identifiable information versus pseudonymity and anonymity, the distinction between noticing a public fact and active harassment, the difference between noting fiduciary connections versus trying to shame or expose someone for what topics they edit, the difference between publicly disclosed facts – non-secrets – and digging up non-public information, the lower expectations someone like me, using my real name here and being a quasi-public figure myself, has versus someone editing as Kitten934 and never mentioning even their given name, etc., etc.). That's the not-terribly-concise nutshell of what some of the issues are. I don't expect to see this settle out for a year or longer. As a new admin, I would tread really cautiously in this area if I were you (more to avoid triggering waves of drama, not out of concern for backlash against you directly), and your answer suggests that you will – lots of mentions of warnings, not a lot of talk of hammering people. — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  09:22, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * that is certainly a lot of food for thought, thank you. Broadly speaking I agree with much of what you've said, or at least with the parts that I'd given a thought to before. I think I had sort of assumed that the information on the website contained personal information, but you're right, it gets complicated even if it did. I've been in arguments because of the username issue before: one of the folks I had had extensive interactions with changed their username midway through said interactions, and then proceeded to accuse me of outing when I didn't (granted, I was rather irritated at that point and was more pugilistic than necessary); which influenced my rather cautious response. I am not familiar with the jytdog case, but I did read up on the wifi-one situation when it happened, and that certainly raised concerns for me about civil-POV pushing (or civil COI), if you will. In any case, I certainly intend to take it slow (with most things, but certainly with this). Thanks for taking the time to explain. Cheers, Vanamonde (talk) 11:07, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for being amenable to me doing so; it was a helpful exercising in trying to write it all out. Now it'll be a matter of compressing it to a more palatable gist of bullet points, since we probably need one or more VPPOL RfCs on this.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  13:09, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Jill Stein
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Cool as a cucumber..

 * Many thanks, Cas, and also for the nom and walking me through the process. Cheers, Vanamonde (talk) 12:26, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry for missing your RfA, but many congrats from me. Wield the mop with care and thought; you will do great. :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 13:37, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
 * The best comportment in an RFA I have seen since..., well, ever. Very well done. -- Begoon &thinsp; talk  14:25, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Class455, many thanks; it's appreciated. Vanamonde (talk) 17:16, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Congratulations
Congratulations Vanamonde the 93rd. Excellent RfA in more than one sense, one that has renewed my faith in the overall Wikipedia cohort. And, since I can never resist the urge to pontificate :), I hope the oppose !voters of a certain ilk have figured out how the community sees them and that they return with a new sense of what sourcing and balance mean on this encyclopedia. --regentspark (comment) 14:36, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks muchly, RP, and also for the nom statement and all your advice along the way. And I entirely share those sentiments :) Vanamonde (talk) 16:06, 2 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Congrats from me too. When you get bored of scrabbling down the back of the sofa for the right template message for each block check out my Monobook.js. Some kind soul put a very useful script in there that gives a dropdown menu.  Ϣere Spiel  Chequers  16:55, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
 * User:WereSpielChequers: I most certainly will. Thank you. Vanamonde (talk) 16:58, 2 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Congrats from me too., thanks. That RfA looked tricky for a little while; one wonders what all we didn't see, outside of Wikipedia. Drmies (talk) 01:19, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

Congartulations
You're now a sysop, what a difficult job! I think you can make it, as you did at the RFA. Hope you a good adminship. -- M h hossein   talk 07:21, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Ditto, congrats Vanamonde93. Although I couldn't participate in the RfA (just found out about it now), I do appreciate that it was successful. Hope to see you around, especially on Pakistan (and South Asian) articles. Cheers!  Mar4d  ( talk ) 09:56, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

Your request for adminship
Hi Vanamonde93, I have closed your request for adminship as successful. Congratulations for your result and for your new place on WP:RFX100; however, because of the significant amount of opposition to your request (noting, of course, that a portion of it was weak in its foundations), my advice is bear any legitimate concerns in mind as you proceed. As always, the administrators' reading list is worth reading and the new admin help pages are most certainly available if you feel that you might require some practice with the tools in a safe environment prior to applying them elsewhere on the project. Good luck with your adminship! Acalamari 10:16, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Congratulations - or should I say, "Poor man, what did you do to yourself?!?" NB: take care with India-related articles; I highly appreciate your contributions, but in case of doubt, don't hesitate to ask for a second opinion. All the best,  Joshua Jonathan   -  Let's talk!   10:36, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Congrats. - Yellow Dingo&#160;(talk) 10:44, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Congratulations for adminship !!  CAPTAIN RAJU  ( ✉ ) 11:02, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
 * If you can survive what happened at your RfA while remaining civil and upright, you'll have no problem with the tools at all! Well done. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  11:23, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
 * My commiserations congratulations on your successful RfA. Use the mop well. — Jkudlick • t • c • s 12:13, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot, folks. The support is appreciated. I'll do my best to keep the floors clean, and I know there's a lot of good advice only a few clicks away...Vanamonde (talk) 12:25, 2 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Well done, Vanamonde! You know that we are expecting a lot from you, right? Just kidding... - Kautilya3 (talk) 12:29, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Congratulations and best wishes.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 12:42, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Congratulations. wishing you the best. cheers Prodigyhk (talk) 12:46, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Well-done. Your decorum during your RFA makes me even more confident about my support vote. Now get clearing those backlogs! ;) -- Laser brain  (talk)  13:20, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm busy at the moment test-blocking the provided IPs (heh), soon as I know I won't end up here I plan to do just that. Vanamonde (talk) 13:26, 2 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Congratulations! Job well done.  I know Wikipedia will be further improved because you have the tools.    78.26   (spin me / revolutions) 13:24, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Congratulations! I can't say I've run into you before, but I was impressed at how you handled yourself this past week. I personally don't think many admins, including me, would make it through RFA if we tried in the present day. Get mopping! Airplaneman   ✈  14:07, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Yea! Very glad this passed, and so easily. BTW thanks for all your work at Afd, especially, as I recall, on some of the problematic Indian articles we seem to encounter there.Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:58, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Congratulations, well done!·maunus · snunɐɯ· 15:09, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Congratulations from me too! I was especially impressed with your answer to question 15. It would have been tempting to take the easy way out and agree to recuse yourself from those wide areas, but that would have robbed Wikipedia of your hard-won knowledge and insight. I'm glad you got the bit and I wish you a long future of using the tools in wisdom and good health. SchreiberBike &#124; ⌨   19:28, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Congratulations. I am sure you will do a great job. Keep up your great demeanor and patience; I am sure that will be a challenge with the vandals, trolls and POV pushers you will need to deal with it but I have confidence in your ability to deal with them. Donner60 (talk) 00:58, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Wow, first you FA nom and now this. Is there anything you can't do? Well done indeed! Ugog Nizdast (talk) 04:38, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, well done! I'm extremely impressed with your cool bearing throughout that RfA, and very glad you got the T-shirt and mop. :-) --bonadea contributions talk 17:54, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks everybody! The well-wishes are appreciated. Vanamonde (talk) 18:12, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

Nathan H. Lee
Hi Vanamonde93. Congratulations!!! I just wanted to ask you if you could move a page I created Nathan H. Lee to Nathan Hongwon Lee. For some reason only admins can create the page Nathan Hongwon Lee and as a result, I cannot move it. Thank you so much! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cieltohell (talk • contribs) 00:07, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Essentially the same article that was deleted here.--regentspark (comment) 01:15, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, RP. Cieltohell: I can certainly move the page, but unless the content there is substantially improved, somebody is likely to nominate it for deletion again: and, given that it has been deleted many times before, odds are that somebody will for it to be protected so that you cannot create it again without admin oversight. Now, what I would suggest is that you work on the page in your userspace until you are absolutely sure it meets our notability standards, the most basic of which is WP:GNG: then, it can be recreated from there, and save everybody a lot of time and trouble. You can even use the articles for creation process, where you will get some help and feedback before the page is moved to mainspace. If you are agreeable, I will move the page to a draft in your userspace. Regards, Vanamonde (talk) 04:54, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Priscilla Corner
Tonguetwister 79 (talk) 02:55, 4 September 2016 (UTC)respected vanamonde93 can the Priscillacorner Wikipedia page can't be restored?all hopes on you.if u can.thanks
 * that page was deleted because a deletion discussion found it to not be notable. Therefore, my unilaterally restoring the page is not possible. If you wish to work on it as a draft (that is, a page that will not be visible as a part of the main encyclopedia) I would consider this: but you would have to convince me that you really want to improve the page in a way that follows our policies. You might also try WP:REFUND, if I'm not around. Vanamonde (talk) 05:14, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
 * They've sent him along to Deletion review/Log/2016 September 4, since he didn't seem interested in just getting a draft. —Cryptic 14:41, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Rather, they sent Soumen491 there, since that was the account that he posted the WP:REFUND request with. Wow, talk about transparent. —Cryptic 14:42, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Cryptic: Okay, thanks. I wasn't aware of the "deletion discussion" limitation, but oh well: I guess they found that out. They don't seem to be willing to ask for a draft, they just want the article back, and their reason is "please," which is not going to cut much ice, I'm afraid. Vanamonde (talk) 17:07, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of A Wizard of Earthsea
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Discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics
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Congrats

 * Yes, good luck and beware of saffron brigade socks!  Varun FEB2003 stalker  20:28, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Poor discipline
I have been thinking about your unsavoury antics here on Wikipedia. I have come to the firm conclusion that you lack discipline. I hope this lesson does not have to be repeated. --BowlAndSpoon (talk) 22:27, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Jarabulus offensive (2016)
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Please comment on Talk:Hillary Clinton presidential campaign, 2016
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ISIL territorial claims
Good job with this. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 15:15, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Vanamonde (talk) 15:52, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

Congratulations!
I bet seeing that gold star on The Left Hand of Darkness does your heart good. All your hard work made for a wonderful article. Congratulations! — Gorthian (talk) 00:17, 10 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Seconding this - it was illuminating watching you and others transform this article into a form worthy of its subject. I don't edit in this area anymore, but once upon a time I uploaded and added the first edition cover art (gotta love the Dillons) and happened to still have this article kicking around my watchlist... thank you for your hard work, the results are fantastic! Antepenultimate (talk) 04:08, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you! It was quite a bit of work, nice to see it pay off. Vanamonde (talk) 04:41, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

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Please comment on Talk:Jill Stein
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Pending changes
Hello. Congrats on the RfA. According to the page you just PC protected, PC protection shouldn't usually be used in the Wikipedia namespace. Regards. -- zzuuzz (talk) 11:26, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
 * zzuuzz: Hmm, that would be my bad. I'm sure I knew that, at some point...still wondering whether semi-protecting would be appropriate, but I've removed the PC protection. Vanamonde (talk) 11:31, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
 * OK thanks, I'm afraid my advice on this matter doesn't extend beyond general newbie educational value. Good comedy value though :) -- zzuuzz (talk) 11:35, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

RFA
You can disagree with my vote, but this type of accusation is injudicious. -- <b style="color:DeepSkyBlue">Marvellous</b> Spider-Man  09:45, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
 * And I am still facing problems with Stiki. -- <b style="color:DeepSkyBlue">Marvellous</b> Spider-Man  09:45, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
 * My account name was Rainbow Archer. -- <b style="color:DeepSkyBlue">Marvellous</b> Spider-Man  09:59, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
 * with respect, Marvellous Spider-Man, I have tangled enough with the OZ socks to be suspicious of anything that appears similar: and there were similarities, even if (as seems to be the case) they were coincidental. If you want more evidence of that, just look at the number of people who expressed suspicion at the SPI. I myself was nudged into filing a case because JJ mentioned his suspicions to me. It's nothing personal, nor does it have much to do with the RFA: you ended up going "support" at my RFA, after all, and there are several folks I respect who opposed me. Vanamonde (talk) 10:09, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
 * There's not much I can do about STiki: posting to the talk page of the tool would be the right thing to do, if you're having trouble. Incidentally, I've been having some, too. Vanamonde (talk) 10:10, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
 * AKS.9955 and Rsrikanth05 voted oppose. I might have seen Rsrikanth05's name in a chart which lists Stiki users. I voted oppose due to their statements. I changed my vote after reading Shawn in Montreal's comment it seems to be me there's a veritable firehouse of spam/soap articles coming from India. <b style="color:DeepSkyBlue">Marvellous</b> Spider-Man  10:19, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Shawn is quite right, it's a real problem; but in my view an even bigger problem is the promotional language that gets into even non-problematic articles. Anyhow, thanks for the vote. Vanamonde (talk) 10:33, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
 * User account JJ is not registered. Who is JJ? <b style="color:DeepSkyBlue">Marvellous</b> Spider-Man  15:19, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
 * "JJ" is Joshua Jonathan, who's been around for quite a while. FYI, I moved your question to the bottom to keep this thread chronological. Vanamonde (talk) 17:32, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Cissie Cahalan
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Please comment on Talk:Antisemitism in 21st-century France
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Have a good day
Request retracted. Have a good day.ZoeyZoey Wipf (talk) 18:07, 18 September 2016 (UTC)Zoey Wipf (talk) 18:01, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Zoey — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zoey Wipf (talk • contribs) 01:45, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Request for advice/comments off-wiki
Hi there, I came across you by following the Talk pages of various articles on South Asian politics. From what I can see, you have been a veteran and extremely valuable contributor in this area. I am a new-ish wiki editor (who prefers to stay anon due to early experiences) and I wanted some advice on dipping my toes in South Asian topics - I tried once, in a relatively obscure article about a Marathi movie, and had to run for the hills! I am also a social science student and have been talking to wiki editors for my research, but mostly those who deal with science topics. I would really love to learn more about your experience with Wikipedia, and particularly editing these areas. IF you are willing, can you please email me at: thestudiousllama at gmail. I don't know how else to communicate with editors without creating an account myself. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.150.47.63 (talk) 03:28, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi There. I'm happy to answer any questions you might have. You need to have an account to use the "email this user" function, but the email I've linked to my account is vanamondec@gmail.com, which you are welcome to send any queries to. In general, though, I would recommend creating an account: there are several advantages to it, not the least of which is that you will be viewed with slightly less suspicion. Regards, Vanamonde (talk) 04:54, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Murder of Milly Dowler
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Your warning to me
Wow, Mar4d certainly has a whole crowd of friends to form a gang and bully anyone who crosses his path. Please take a deep breath, and a minute to read my message to two other users here. I only want to say the same thing to you also.
 * I think would be quite amused to hear me described as their "friend." The fact remains that the content you added was either unsourced, or sourced to a google-groups forum (or something). Those do not constitute reliable sources. Find such sources that support your content changes before trying to add the content again, else you are flirting with a WP:BLOCK. Vanamonde (talk) 15:24, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
 * You clearly have not read the article or the changes I made, therefore you are shooting in the dark "either this, or that, or something" ... be informed that I have not added much content in the first place. Mar4d is rubbing out whatever I have written for no reason except that he is following me around on all pages and rubbing out all my work. He started doing that after I removed the name of the so-called (unproven) "perpetrator" in the 2007 Samjhauta Express bombings case, and as a Pakistani, he has an axe to grind there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.182.186.110 (talk) 15:35, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Donald Trump
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