User talk:Vanessajcameron

William James Cameron
Oh, i was starting to add a little more to a note to you that began
 * IMO your contribution to Stalag Luft III, re William James Cameron is vulnerable to removal, as being disproportionate to his role in the escape. (He is your dad, i presume -- which is not a problem in itself but may make the contrib a bigger target when challenged over notability and/or RS.) My personal opinion is that your contrib would be more acceptable in a WP bio article, or in a section of a "collective bio" article on the 23 or the 76. (Hmm, but a section on each of the larger group of "ticket-holders" would go too far.) IMO a coll-bio should, if written, be linked from the SL III article -- or a subject index article linking to as many of their individual WP bios as get written) should be started if any are (or become) available, and that linked from SL III.  (In fact, i'll start the SIA if you'll create the first of the individual bio articles. Hmmm, probably
 * "Kearney, WO William James Cameron, BEM, (D1949781), RAF."
 * in our "1997 New Year Honours" article is just a bizarre coincidence, not a cousin of yours....)

when i found that List of Allied airmen from the Great Escape already exists, as a "list-class article from Wikipedia". It may very well have been started by moving material similar to your contribution out of Stalag Luft III and into individual bio articles. So i guess my saying stuff like
 * The SIA "Stalag Luft III escapees" might initially look like this:
 * Stalag Luft III escapees
 * The Stalag Luft III Nazi-German World War II prisoner of war camp ...
 * is beside the point.

I'm going to bed, but within the next few days i plan to  I wasn't in a rush to move your material out of where you put it, and now that i know there's already a logical place to put it, being sure you won't be offended by it being only in one IMO-better place deserves attention. --Jerzy•t 10:08, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
 * 1) change "Bill Cameron", in the list article, to the full name you provided, and make it a link instead of just text,
 * 2) copy what you contributed into a William James Cameron bio article,
 * 3) add that article title and a bit of other identifying information to our "Which William (or Bill) Cameron did you have in mind?" page, to steer anyone who types a likely sparse name in looking for him,
 * 4) create Redirects and/or "Dabs" so that anyone asking for Bill J. Cameron, etc. can find him, and
 * 5) create Stalag Luft III escapees as a Dab linking to both the "List ..." article and The Wooden Horse.


 * I notice now that others made similar additions before you, and while each case needs to be considered on its particular merits, my impression is that few (if any) stand out enuf, in this event of great daring, to be singled out in the accompanying article -- in fact the degree of collective commitment may in a sense be central. My intent at this point is to handle the whole "furrow" in which i've put my hand to the plow, that is, to consider all the individual POW bios in the accompanying "Great Escape" article, and at least make tentative judgements on which cases call for linking from the list to a bio article, or to a passage in the GE article. --Jerzy•t 20:46, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Vanessajcameron (talk) 08:53, 14 October 2015 (UTC) Hi Jerzy, I am quite happy with your proposed changes, not a problem. Yes, I am Bill's daughter. Bill never spoke to me about The Great Escape until his last month but by then he had blocked most of the experience from his memory. Nonetheless, we all thought he was an amazing man with tremendous strength of character; he is greatly missed. Regards, Vanessa

Vanessajcameron (talk) 08:53, 14 October 2015 (UTC)