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Re: Black People
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Black supremacy
Hey. I'm only just now realizing you're also one of the editors of Black people. (I generally don't pay attention to tags.)

IMO, good move on deleting the hip-hop section entirely, something I was setting the stage for with the "" notation and the qualifying language about the contorting of the Ice Cube's "black mastery" phrase to some sort of black supremacist call to arms (utterly ridiculous). The entire section is simply another product of CoYep's twisting of the material. He repeatedly has obliterated references to black supremacist dogma as part of a framework of liberation theologies for socio-political advancement among the oppressed. The material I wrote about the roots of Rastafari among the dispossessed and margialized Jamaican poor was obliterated, as well, the material about the similar work of the NOI. While by no means lengthy, in both cases, it served to place both movements in the context of black overcoming, black advancement -- hence, the connection with liberation theology. I haven't haven't taken the time to resurrect the material, but I will one of these days -- unless someone else takes the iniative and writes something else. :p

Despite our current disagreements -- and there likely will be many more -- I'm glad you're here. While I no longer try to recruit people to Wikipedia (I don't have sufficient faith in it), I recognize that the more people we have raising similar concerns as you and I have, who bring certain knowledge sets, certain perspectives to the project, the better. As much as I hate it, Wikipedia has become too big to ignore. I refuse to let these people continue to spread lies disparaging us and our Ancestors. Peace. deeceevoice 19:32, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I see there's a new editor (likely a sockpuppet) reverting the article to the skewed, POV version. I'm not going to risk another 3RR violation block after getting caught in a thoroughly bogus one a few days ago. You may want to take a look. deeceevoice 16:40, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Pearl necklace (sexuality)
I saw that you tried to nominate this for deletion, but did so in an incomplete manner. I have taken the liberty of nominating it at Articles for deletion/Pearl necklace (sexuality) (4th nomination) -- feel free to make any comments you may have there. JBsupreme ( talk ) 21:42, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

King of the Hill
Actually I do have the right to delete your additions to this article because anyone can edit Wikipedia and If you do not want your writing to be edited, used, and redistributed at will, then do not submit it here.. I also explained in my edit summary why I reverted you so there's really no mystery to why I removed your additions. I'll explain again - your additions clearly violate the no original research policy and neutral point of view policy. All of this content is your personal opinion and observations about the show. Unless you have a reliable source that supports your assertions that the producers "seems to go out of its way to include Asians.", among other things, this is clearly your own opinion that doesn't belong in the article. 70.242.1.148 (talk) 00:08, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Instead of edit warring in an attempt to push this content into the article, you should instead comment on the talk where I have opened an RFC on the matter. If other members of the community decide the content does not belong, you should respect that. 70.242.1.148 (talk) 00:15, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I've commented on the article's talk page; please do read WP:OR, as it really is one of our most important policies. There are hundreds of places on the internet where you may publish your own analysis of this work; if it's sufficiently scholarly, you can even publish it in academic journals.  Wikipedia, however, does not allow this kind of work.  Qwyrxian (talk) 02:13, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Regarding your message here, the King of the Hill article is not "your" page as no one here owns ANY article nor did I delete the additions you made a second time. Have a look at the history of the article before you go round accusing people of doing things they didn't do. 70.242.1.148 (talk) 06:06, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Whatever you are doing, you don't have the courage to sign on and sign your activities. I am sure that your actions will bear the appropriate fruit. Race and exclusion as played out in conservative media such as the KOH will soon be correctly identified very soon, whether Wikipedia supports it or not. Wikipedia will soon appear outdated and irrelevant. It appears likely that it will soon go too far in censoring its contributors.VaniNY (talk) 07:25, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Your recent edits
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Wikipedia Bullies and Racists
My entire contribution to the King of the Hill article was deleted by an anonymous writer. My observation of racial make-up in the series was perceived as subjective while the consideration of religion, gender, sexual orientation, political leanings are not perceived as subjective. in other words, I can comment that such and such character is Jewish, gay or conservative. But I can not mention that two Asian families figure prominently in this show. Race is currently disallowed as a valid consideration and is discounted as subjective and interpretative by editors who are probably all white. This subtle racism poisons Wikipedia's worth and what it can offer to the world.
 * Actually, no, you couldn't comment that a particular character was gay or conservative unless either the show or a reliable source stated that they were. Second, you could, conceivably, state that two families are Asians, however, what you cannot do is draw any form of interpretation from this. If you do not accept our basic policies on original research, then it just seems like Wikipedia is not the place for you. Finally, you're flat out wrong in saying that "race is currently is currently disallowed as a valid consideration"--there are literally thousands of article whose main subject is race/ethnicity, and hundreds of thousands more that mention it in some way. As a random sampling, how about Japanese people, Ethiopian American, and African-American literature? Those are just the first 3 that popped into my head. Please take some time, learn a little more about Wikipedia and its policies, and then continue editing. You have made some useful contributions so far, but are running into a problem with OR. Qwyrxian (talk) 05:53, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Looking at the stuff you copied below, from the very first sentence, it's your interpretation. "The program seems to go out of its way to include Asians" is clearly your opinion. Many other people might simply say that Judge happened, to choose Asians because those are the people he knew well, or because they are based off of people in his life, or because he wanted to make fun of their stereotypes, or whatever. It is purely your opinion that he "went out of his way" to include Asians. If you can't see how that's a personal opinion, not a statement of fact, then I'm not sure that I know how to help you. Qwyrxian (talk) 05:53, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

I don't know what your role is. If you want to know what you can do - I initially requested to have the page protected until such time as a larger consensus could be developed. If you have information regarding the steps necessary to take to obtain protection of a given article, then you can inform me.

You brought up articles whose main topic is race. I am concerned with whether facts concerning race are being permitted in articles whose main topic is NOT race. I object to the ghettoization of race into only articles that are concerned with race. Political and sexual orientation are included in non-political and non-sexuality related articles such as biographies, etc. Why is race constrained to articles who main topic is race?

You latch onto one sentence ""The program seems to go out of its way to include Asians" and use that as a justification for the deletion of my entire contribution. This is inappropriate. Rhetoric should not be the standard for the invalidation of an entire section. If you dare, I would like a link to make a complaint about the deletion of this contribution.

I have not seen reliable source material for any of the factors such as sexual or political orientation that are touched on in this article. There is none because there is very little written material to drawn upon. The only material appears to be subjective material coming from those who either created or televised the program and therefore have an vested interest.VaniNY (talk) 06:19, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * As I said on my talk page (where you asked a question), it's actually impossible to protect part of a page.  Furthermore, full protection is only done in cases where there is a major content dispute between multiple editors who keep (improperly) reverting the article between them--that isn't the case in this situation. In fact, whenever someone makes a bold new edit to an article, if someone else reverts (undoes/removes) it, then the next step is for both sides to go to the talk page and discuss, and the new addition stays out until consensus is to add it.
 * Issues of race are included in many many articles--they are not ghettoized. But they must be sourced.  That is an unbreakable rule.  If you find other information that isn't sourced, and is at all contentious or debatable, you can remove it from those articles.
 * There are dozens more problems with your proposed text. Would it help you if I explained what they are?  Note that, no matter what is a problem, the overall problem is that it must be sourced. However, I would be happy to go through and explain which parts I see are clearly your interpretation, rather than simple facts.
 * There is no one place to "complain", however, there are several different places where you could ask for the input of others. The first, most likely one is WP:NORN.  This is the "No original research/Noticeboard".  That's a place where editors can go and get input from other editors about whether or not something is original research.  While the people who edit there have no particular status over others (we're all "equals" on Wikipedia, at least as far as discussing content is concerned), they are a helpful bunch with a lot of experience in this area.  If that noticeboard were to agree that this were not original research, it would be a strong argument for including it in the article.  If you actually think someone has violated our policies, guidelines, or behavioral guidelines, the place to do that is WP:ANI, which is the "Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents".  This is the place where administrators (people on Wikipedia who've been given extra "tools" to help deal with enforcing policy, preventing vandalism, etc.) can be quickly reached to take action.  However, please note that administrators are not content judges (there are, in fact, no content judges on Wikipedia--everything is done by consensus), so they can't "decide" or "rule" that your paragraphs should or shouldn't be in the article.  Also, please be aware that any editor who files a complaint at ANI can and will have their own behavior scrutinized.  At this point, you're on the borderline for a few policies (most importantly, the rule that says not to attack other editors), but you're certainly welcome to try there.  Lastly, if you do want to request page protection, the place to do that is WP:RFPP; just follow the instructions listed there explicitly (noting, though, that you are 100% guaranteed to be turned own for protection because none of the criteria apply here; even if the article were protected, it's equally likely to be protected without the paragraphs as with them).
 * Please feel free to ask more questions, either here, on the article talk page, or on my talk page. Again, don't be discouraged--thinks aren't nearly as bad as you think, you're just not understanding how the rules on OR work. Qwyrxian (talk) 06:36, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

VaniNY, I ran across this KOTH conversation in my WP reading, and I think that you realld need to read the policies on original research. As with the statement "The program seems to go out of its way to include Asians", you're failing to realise that you do not know exactly what the intent of the creator or writers is by including these characters. You can say that said characters are asian, but you cannot infer any meaning from this without any kind of source to back you up. For example, take the WB show Gilmore Girls. The cast of this show, with a few exceptions, is majorly white. One exception is the main character's best friend, Lane Kim and her mother, who are asian. While this may seem to you as the creators trying to force diversity into the show, it has been said in interviews (citable references) that the character was based on creator Amy Sherman-Paladino's best friend growing up, Helen Pai. Conversely, the character of Luke Danes WAS added to the show for gender diversity, something that was also stated in an interview. Without the interviews, it would be difficult to infer the intent of these characters, but with the interviews as reliable sources, this material can be used in Wikipedia. My advice to you is to search for an article on the internet mentioning the race in King of the Hill. If it is really as blatant an issue as you say, it should be easy to find sources. If not, then maybe the information is not notable enough to be included in the first place. Happy editing! 65.246.161.26 (talk) 20:43, 29 March 2011 (UTC) The above post is mine. I forgot to sign in before typing. My bad Xylogirl07 (talk) 20:45, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia Loses Its Most Gifted Contributors
I suspect that Wikipedia is losing its most gifted contributors because of its toleration for bureaucratic cruelty and administrative brutalization. There is apparently a rigidity that stifles and a grinding attrition that destroys and repels inspiration. Perhaps Wikipeida will one day have to pay writers and give them credit, because it is becoming repulsive to decent people who would otherwise contribute freely. I feel that there is a distinct tolerance for social discrimination, especially concerning race and religion. Can Wikipedia feed its grandiose intellectual project on moral and intellectual mediocrity? The initial enthusiasm has been ravaged.

Deleted Contribution
This is the material that was excluded from the King of the Hill article by Wikipedia's race police who cripple, poison and censor the site in an attempt to expurgate any idea of race or diversity.

Race and Ethnicity

Asians

The program seems to go out of its way to include Asians. An Asian family, the Laotian Sousphanousinphones, is introduced in the 7th episode of the 1st season, very early on for a series which lasted 13 years. This family, consisting of Khan, the father, Minh, the mother, their daughter Kahn "Connie" Souphanousinphone, Jr., and Doggie Kahn, their little dog, becomes and remains a significant and integral part of the series until the very end. Connie becomes deeply involved with Bobby Hill on many levels and in many ways. The ambitious and status-conscious Sousphanousinphones are extremely important to the series' development and continuation. Each of the Sousphanousinphones is richly developed, given deep personalities, likes, dislikes, strengths and weaknesses. Each is involved in numerous episodes and given great attention. The series also includes another important Asian family which is given significant airtime: the prominent Laotian-American Wassonasongs. Ted Wassonasong and Cindy Wassonasong are often seen interacting with Khan and Minh Sousphanousinphones, who fawn on them servilely. Enjoying far more affluence and power, the Wassonasongs shamelessly manipulate and intimidate them. Other Asians such as Chane Wassonasong, the successful athlete and student, Nguc Phong, Ted Wassonasong's friend and the gay lover of Dale Gribble's father who is Filipino are also depicted.

As controlling creative direction, Judge works hard to valorize Asians and treats them with great respect. Several Asians are included as minor recurring characters and play meaningful roles which reflect power, authority and control. Asians are depicted as ambitious, racially and ethnically-conscious, socially-cohesive, upwardly mobile and in some cases, even extremely wealthy. They are depicted as showing excellence in many areas of life, notably academics. Only one Asian character is ever depicted negatively, the meth dealer Tid Pao, Connie's delinquent cousin from Los Angeles. Asian power is furthermore depicted in the episode "A Man Without a Country Club which features Arlen's exclusive all-Asian Nine Rivers Country Club, where membership cost $40,000 per year and which theretofore had excluded all white, latinos and Blacks. Hank Hill resists being offered a subsidized membership as the token white who would make the club eligible for an upcoming [[PGA] tournament. His reason for declining membership is that "he doesn't know anyone" who belongs. During this episode Tiger Woods is referred to as an Asian.

Blacks

In sharp contrast to the attention given to Asians and whites, the show largely excludes the African American community. It has only one black character, an itinerant, trash-talking comedian who is eventually hired to work for Strickland Propane, under Hank. Mike Judge sought first to name him "Busta Nut" then "Busta Sack" FOX censors objected to both names. The episode in which he appears Traffic Jam, shows Bobby Hill naively developing a comedy act based off material he gleans from White Supremacist websites. Otherwise, the program largely ignores America's blacks. Bobby has no black friend or schoolmate; there are no black neighbors, servants, employees, colleagues or other continual black presence in the series.

Latinos

Despite the fact that the series is set in Texas where a large Hispanic population resides, the series does not offer any important role for Latinos although several Latinos are given very minor roles in the series. There is the minor, but recurring character who is a charismatic Mexican television star. There is Enrique, a employee of Strickland Propane who identifies himself as someone who came to Texas from Mexico in search of work. His domestic situation, with his shrewish, dominating wife and her thuggish brothers are shown in "Enrique-cilable Differences". There is Octavio, a Chicano with a very stereotypical speaking pattern, who does various bizarre favors for Dale (and others) when paid sufficient money. There is Ramon Alejandro, Bobby's Hispanic classmate who is is popular with the girls. There are the Mexicans who reside in Mexico, as depicted in the episode where Peggy Hill is accuses of abducting a small child from her Mexican village. The Spanish language is given quite a bit of attention, since a recurring gag revolves around the fact that Peggy Hill claims to be bilingual but is actually completely incompetent.

Native Americans

It has also been noted that the only Native-American character, John Redcorn is held up to ridicule as gigolo who parasitically feeds off the white race, by preying on white women. He is deeply disturbed that his only child, the doltish, Joseph Gribble is obliviously raised by the white woman he loves and the disturbed white man he cuckolded, Dale Gribble. The boy never truly learns his real identity. John Redcorn is significant in view of the relative dearth of Native American characters in American television.06:02, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Anyone Free to Act Anonymously
After contributing to an article it was brutally gutted by an anonymous party who has been quite unfriendly and hostile towards me. I asked for page protection and mediation from an administrator and was not given the assistance that I had hoped for. I think there is no future for African-Americans on this site, especially when it comes to issues of inclusion. I have wasted a day on this site and I condemn it as a total disappointment. I hope that true justice begins to reign for Black Americna people on this site and that it does not merely become another platform for ruthless exclusion and discrimination. Furthermore I suspect strongly that Blacks may have no future with Wikipedia. Its so-called unbiased approach may be inherently anti-Black.

My response to the anonymous deleter
Again the anonymous party is fighting very hard for exclusion of evolved moral and spiritual approach to this article's subject matter while hiding his/her identity. However, you are not worth my time and energy. I defer to the rules of the game. I will take the issue of race in King of the Hill elsewhere and I hope that it will have greater meaning and impact elsewhere. The program is widely perceived by many Blacks and Latinos (excluding whites and Asians) as racist. It is a show that is based in Texas but which does not feature ANY Latinos as friends, acquaintances and neighbors, excluding a few offensive tokens. It is a show that endorses exclusion and attracts like-minded fans such as the determined anonymous party. I perceive a protectionism for racist policy that is repulsive. I hope that all that support this type of ruthless implementation of Wikipedia policy become responsible for their actions and values. They are making Wikipedia a suffocating place for those who would like to see more inclusion. I cherish great wishes for all turn a blind eye to segregation, exclusion and racism.08:02, 29 March 2011 (UTC)08:17, 29 March 2011 (UTC)


 * If it's "widely perceived as racist," then please provide evidence of that wide perception. Surely there must be magazine articles, academic journals, etc.?  Despite what you may think, there is a lot of scholarship on cartoons.  Similarly, what about publications that specifically deal with African-American issues?  Find the sources, and you can tell us all about how racist reliable experts think King of the Hill is.  Qwyrxian (talk) 08:29, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Afropedia
What is the point of trying to fit in with the unhealthily eurocentric value system which predominates here on Wikipedia? Let's start Afropedia - a wikipedia which is friendly and receptive to Africans and African-Americans as well as other non-white groups. Let's turn our back on racism.

King of the Hill
Hi VaniNY, I've left you a note and some sources here; hope that helps. -- JN 466  01:07, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Your OPPORTUNITY to either oppose or support Qwyrxian in his bid to become an administrator...
Hi, I would like to hear what you have to say about Qwyrxian, and here's your chance to do that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Qwyrxian. CHEERS! Diligent007 (talk) 16:32, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia who brutalized me is not accord more authority
This person had been invested with quite a bit of administrative control, which he used to crush humiliate and irritate me one sad day not so long ago. I thought he behaved cruelly and obnoxiously. I was also concerned to see that Wikipedia was actually spawning minor despots and rewarding tyranny. Fortunately, this person's bid for additional power was thwarted. Wikipedia seems to be becoming (or is already) a dark and dangerous place fraught with power struggles and cruel coup d'etats. Perhaps it's not much worth the effort because mediocrity reigns more and more on this site. I tried to add a comment to his nomination page but was snippily excluded and blocked. I believe that administrators from the dark side are guarding his nomination page and excluding the comments of those who could further attest to how unpleasant this individual actually can be. My vote is shown below:


 * Oppose Perhaps I am arriving very (too?) late, but I do feel that, in view of my personal encounter with the candidate, I have an obligation to share my deeply unpleasant experience with him. I am sure that the individual could one day become an asset to Wikipedia, but not today, not now and not any time soon.  He may benefit from some sensitivity training.  His behavior towards me was brutal, inhuman and without depth or humanity. His decisions, made without reflection, insight or consensus, were rash, I am glad to see that other people were vigilant and prevented this person from becoming even more able to mistreat others.

I forgot to add that he tried to intimidate and frighten me.


 * I did, in fact, become an admin. I never tried to intimidate or frighten you; rather, I merely tried to follow policies and teach you how to do so. Regarding your attempt to add something to my Request for Adminship, the reason it was rejected is that you added it today (I assume that was you doing so while logged out); the RfA closed over a month ago on July 26.  As such, no new comments can be added.


 * Please understand, at no point did I ever try to frighten or intimidate you, and I apologize if my words made you feel that way. Every decision or suggestion I made was based solely in our long-standing policies and guidelines, which govern which type of information can be added to the encyclopedia.  I was, and still, am happy to help you learn how to contribute productively.  Doing so requires that you follow Wikipedia's policies and guidelines; if I recall correctly, you were failing to understand our rules forbidding original research.  If you still want to contribute to Wikipedia, I will gladly answer any questions you have or point you to someone who can answer those questions.  Alternatively, if you don't want to work with me, we have a program called Adopt-a-user, where you can get long-term help from another editor.  Wikipedia may have "dark" parts, but, as a whole, it's really not a "dark place".  Again, it does have rules (this is not just a place to publish anything you want to say), but we do our best to make contributing a positive experience for everyone. If there is anything I can do to explain my prior actions or improve your experience now, let me know. Qwyrxian (talk) 02:28, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Disagreement
I did not experience our encounter in the positive way you did. Rather, it was a very unpleasant and destructive experience for me. I used to enjoy myself on this site and feel that I belonged. You ruined that. I do believe that the ruthless implementation of rules and regulations by faceless, heartless bureaucrats, without compassion or humanity is the epitome of fascist abuse. As for your offer to mentor me: Thank you, but I am not a charity case in need of your paternalistic patronization. The high-handed pretension that abounds on this site is offensive. In self-defense, I tell you this: I have various academic credentials, including two masters degrees, which may attest to the fact that I am not in need of an intermediary to decipher Wikipedia. Best wishes to you in your climb up the Wikipedian ladder.User:VaniNY

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horrible edit in god and buddhism article
i agree with your post, the former article was excellent, but for some reason the whole article has been converted in a over-simplifyed stub. buddhism has a notion of the sacred, but it is VERY different from abrahmic religions. what makes buddhisam fascinating is its complexity, which is denied by the now very poor wikipedia entry.

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Don't be ridiculous
There are many things wrong with your edits to Planned Parenthood 2015 undercover videos controversy, but at the simplest level the problem is that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a place for you to write personal essays. For that kind of content, you are welcome to do what I do: go get yourself a blog. --JBL (talk) 15:47, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Your complaint at WP:AN3
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